That's two players of £30m or thereabouts...

R A Softlad · Jul 23, 2002

...if you finish next season trophyless again:

1) Will Sir Unsackable lose that tag... and his job?
2) Will the PLC EVER sanction such high spending on one player again?

WeasteDevil · Jul 23, 2002

1) No
2) Yes

Raoul · Jul 23, 2002

The same applies to you.

ie. Will you be forced to sell one of Owen, Gerrard, or Hyypia if you finish trophyless as well. You've spent more on inbound transfers this year than we have.

Davo · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Raoul:
The same applies to you.

ie. Will you be forced to sell one of Owen, Gerrard, or Hyypia if you finish trophyless as well. You've spent more on inbound transfer this year than we have.<hr></blockquote>

Thats not the same, its a totally different question..

We've spent more on inbound transfers than you this year? Have we?

The only one of those I could see going is Owen

Raoul · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Davo:


Thats not the same, its a totally different question..

We've spent more on inbound transfers than you this year? Have we?

The only one of those I could see going is Owen<hr></blockquote>

Actually your outgoing funds are comparable to ours. 14m for Diouf and Cheyrou, plus whatever you're spending on Diao. We've only spent 14/15m thus far as well. Plus we're exponentially more profitable than you, hence the original question in this thread should be applied to Liverpool and not United.

Davo · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Raoul:


Actually your outgoing funds are comparable to ours. 14m for Diouf and Cheyrou, plus whatever you're spending on Diao. We've only spent 14/15m thus far as well. Plus we're exponentially more profitable than you, hence the original question in this thread should be applied to Liverpool and not United.<hr></blockquote>

Thats not the same as us spending more on incoming transfers as you claimed..

You're only counting 15m of the Rio deal, yet have no idea how our payments are structered for our new players....

You can be as profitable as you want, but you're not spending all your profits on new players...tho I'm sure your investors are getting richer..

CheckOne · Jul 23, 2002

Stupid comment really Davo, of course our investors are getting richer. The role of the PLC board is to maximise shareholder wealth.

This is pointless discussion, we've spent within our budget. Fergie hasn't gone out on a limb financially as we'll recoup the monies, if we're successful on the pitch or not.

Davo · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by CheckOne:
The role of the PLC board is to maximise shareholder wealth.

.<hr></blockquote>

Yes it is, isn't it..

Raoul · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Davo:
You're only counting 15m of the Rio deal, yet have no idea how our payments are structered for our new players....<hr></blockquote>

Yes...your weekly wage structure seems to be veiled in secrecy, so I don't know. The broader point being that we've only spent 15m this year, which is well within our means, especially when you consider that this is the first year on the Nike deal.

Davo · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Raoul:


Yes...your weekly wage structure seems to be veiled in secrecy, so I don't know. The broader point being that we've only spent 15m this year, which is well within our means, especially when you consider that this is the first year on the Nike deal.<hr></blockquote>

???

Again, how do you know how much we've paid up front for the likes of Diouf and Diao? You're counting our fees paid as a whole and yet halving Rio's..

The point of this thread is clearly related to the pressure of splashing huge fees on players..Veron has flopped to date, if Rio does as well there is going to be problems...

Raoul · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Davo:


???

Again, how do you know how much we've paid up front for the likes of Diouf and Diao? You're counting our fees paid as a whole and yet halving Rio's..

The point of this thread is clearly related to the pressure of splashing huge fees on players..Veron has flopped to date, if Rio does as well there is going to be problems...<hr></blockquote>

I don't know how you have things structured. There has been no press as to the specifics of the Cheryou and Diouf deal. The point being both of our clubs have spent. Surely you don't dispute this. We've spent much less than you relative to our budget imo.

Davo · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Raoul:


I don't know how you have things structured. There has been no press as to the specifics of the Cheryou and Diouf deal. The point being both of our clubs have spent. Surely you don't dispute this. We've spent much less than you relative to our budget imo.<hr></blockquote>

You don't know what either of our budgets are tho..and taking into account what Kenyon has said, it looks like your budget is 30m...

Raoul · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Davo:


You don't know what either of our budgets are tho..and taking into account what Kenyon has said, it looks like your budget is 30m...<hr></blockquote>

Our budgets will likely be somewhere in the vicinity of what we end up spending this summer. If our budget ends up being 30m then I'll be satisfied as we still have 15m to spend right now.

lchk · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by R A Softlad:
...if you finish next season trophyless again:

1) Will Sir Unsackable lose that tag... and his job?
2) Will the PLC EVER sanction such high spending on one player again?<hr></blockquote>

Ah, the return of softlad!

Aren't you calling your scouse pals from koptalk to "pile them" in here again?

Be careful of Raoul's itchy finger on the ban button though

Davo · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Raoul:


Our budgets will likely be somewhere in the vicinity of what we end up spending this summer. If our budget ends up being 30m then I'll be satisfied as we still have 15m to spend right now. <hr></blockquote>

It looks like your budget was 15m then...

I don't see why you're cutting the Rio fee in half..lots of deals have transfer fees structered like this...

Like Lazio and Stam..

michael owen's mum · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Raoul:


Our budgets will likely be somewhere in the vicinity of what we end up spending this summer. If our budget ends up being 30m then I'll be satisfied as we still have 15m to spend right now. <hr></blockquote>

so that'll be £15M extra you won't have next summer. . .

Davo · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by lchk:


Ah, the return of softlad!

Aren't you calling your scouse pals from koptalk to "pile them" in here again?

Be careful of Raoul's itchy finger on the ban button though <hr></blockquote>

Hey Inch

Are you alright mate?

You must have took Kenyon's words badly...

Raoul · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by michael owen's mum:


so that'll be £15M extra you won't have next summer. . .

<hr></blockquote>

We have 25m extra every summer on top of what he previously had before the Nike deal, which means we can afford any player we want, including those that were previously thought to be reserved for the likes of Real.

Knoxy · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Raoul:


I don't know how you have things structured. There has been no press as to the specifics of the Cheryou and Diouf deal. The point being both of our clubs have spent. Surely you don't dispute this. We've spent much less than you relative to our budget imo.<hr></blockquote>

But what is your transfer budget?

You've got to take into account sharholders etc when discussing your budget. Despite the obvious differences in incoming wealth, I'm not so sure our budgets for players are as deifferent as perhaps people might think.

Re Kenyon's statement about no more buy's.

If turn's out to be true then I find it incredible that Ferguson hasn't kicked up a fuss about getting some more cover. More players out than have been brought! <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> considering all the topics at the end of last season wanting at least 3/4 new players (fullbacks, Centre backs, strikers etc) I'm suprised there hasn't been a bigger fuss kicked up about this statement.

You have been generally quite lucky in regards long term injuries over the years, but if this season turns out to be a bad one with 2/3 first teamers breaking down for a long period of time, you could be in real trouble.
What happens if RVN and OGS both are out injured for a month?
Giggs and Forlan up front? Hmmmm

lchk · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Davo:


Hey Inch

Are you alright mate?

You must have took Kenyon's words badly...<hr></blockquote>

Yes I am fine. Reading softlad's post jogs my memory and gives me a smile

Davo · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Raoul:


We have 25m extra every summer on top of what he previously had before the Nike deal, which means we can afford any player we want,<hr></blockquote>

Yet you are only spending 15m this summer...

I wonder where the rest of that cash will go?

Raoul · Jul 23, 2002

It's hard to say.

We spent about 27m in 2000, 33m in 2001, and are only at the 15m now. We still have players whom we're trying to sell Yorke and maybe Fortune, plus we've lost Johnsen and Irwin. I think we'll still make one more big name buy.

Davo · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Raoul:
It's hard to say.

We spent about 27m in 2000, 33m in 2001, and are only at the 15m now. We still have players whom we're trying to sell Yorke and maybe Fortune, plus we've lost Johnsen and Irwin. I think we'll still make one more big name buy.<hr></blockquote>

So you don't believe Kenyon then?

You think he's doing a "Risdale"...

Raoul · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Davo:


So you don't believe Kenyon then?

You think he's doing a "Risdale"...<hr></blockquote>

I think he's posturing to lower the bar in future transfer negotiations. Blackburn have already slapped a 20-30m fee on Duff after the Rio transfer, and other clubs will undoubtedly use our willingness to pay 33m on a defender as a tool to get more money out of us when we want their players. Kenyon's only doing his job.

Davo · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Raoul:


I think he's posturing to lower the bar in future transfer negotiations. Blackburn have already slapped a 20-30m fee on Duff after the Rio transfer, and other clubs will undoubtedly use our willingness to pay 33m on a defender as a tool to get more money out of us when we want their players. Kenyon's only doing his job.<hr></blockquote>

Very optimistic..

Another explanation for his words, unlikely as it may sound, it that you won't be buying anymore players..

Nigel Borrington · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by R A Softlad:
...if you finish next season trophyless again:

1) Will Sir Unsackable lose that tag... and his job?
2) Will the PLC EVER sanction such high spending on one player again?<hr></blockquote>

1) By Unsackable do you think he has ever come close to being sacked?

2) If they need to they will, at the moment with Rio on board we don't need to!

Raoul · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Davo:


Very optimistic..

Another explanation for his words, unlikely as it may sound, it that you won't be buying anymore players..<hr></blockquote>

That's a possibility as well, though it would completely fly in the face of what Fergie has said about getting a replacement for Denis, and one for Yorke.

Davo · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Raoul:


That's a possibility as well, though it would completely fly in the face of what Fergie has said about getting a replacement for Denis, and one for Yorke.<hr></blockquote>

Who sanctions the transfer cash?

Demento or Kenyon?

Raoul · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Davo:


Who sanctions the transfer cash?

Demento or Kenyon?<hr></blockquote>

Well presumably the manager requests the players he wants to sign, and Kenyon makes it happen.

RUDDY · Jul 23, 2002

davo your argument is totally void mate in that interview which was played full last night on MUTV kenyon said he would sanction cash if fegie wanted anymore buys but they had got there number 1 target of the summer which is rio and also said the size of the sqaud will also play apart in the moves we make

so if yorke goes a striker will come in

Davo · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Raoul:


Well presumably the manager requests the players he wants to sign, and Kenyon makes it happen. <hr></blockquote>

Or prevents it happening...

Davo · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by RUDDY:
davo your argument is totally void mate in that interview which was played full last night on MUTV kenyon said he would sanction cash if fegie wanted anymore buys but they had got there number 1 target of the summer which is rio and also said the size of the sqaud will also play apart in the moves we make

so if yorke goes a striker will come in<hr></blockquote>

He's also said this morning that you will be buying no one else..

I don't know if he's telling the truth or not? But you must be aware he's said this

Raoul · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Davo:


Or prevents it happening...<hr></blockquote>

Possible, though highly improbable. If Fergie really wants a player then he's going to get him.

Davo · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Raoul:


Possible, though highly improbable. If Fergie really wants a player then he's going to get him.<hr></blockquote>

Not if Kenyon's not releasing any more funds for transfers....

RUDDY · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Davo:


He's also said this morning that you will be buying no one else..

I don't know if he's telling the truth or not? But you must be aware he's said this<hr></blockquote>

yea meaning CB's thats why he spoke about blanc,brown and o'shea

when pornstar goes look for us to buy a striker and by the looks of what the ice mans agent is saying he may hand in a transfer request

Davo · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by RUDDY:


yea meaning CB's thats why he spoke about blanc,brown and o'shea

when pornstar goes look for us to buy a striker and by the looks of what the ice mans agent is saying he may hand in a transfer request<hr></blockquote>

"As for strikers, we brought in Diego Forlan last season, Ruud (van Nistelrooy) had a fantastic season and Ole (Gunnar Solskjaer) keeps on doing what he does -- so we are great in that department. "

That is what Kenyon said about strikers...

Do you think that relates to defenders?

Raoul · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Davo:


Not if Kenyon's not releasing any more funds for transfers....<hr></blockquote>

he could be persuaded to do so by Fergie if a player who we needed became available. Gudjohnsen being the lastest example.

RUDDY · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Davo:


"As for strikers, we brought in Diego Forlan last season, Ruud (van Nistelrooy) had a fantastic season and Ole (Gunnar Solskjaer) keeps on doing what he does -- so we are great in that department. "

That is what Kenyon said about strikers...

Do you think that relates to defenders?

<hr></blockquote>

if somebody has got the interview in audio can they post it for davo to have a listen

id be very surprised if we didnt get a striker

like raoul said he might be doing this so we dont have to pay hiked prices aswell

do you think we will buy anymore players?

to be honest your squad doesnt really strike the fear of life into me

Davo · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by RUDDY:


if somebody has got the interview in audio can they post it for davo to have a listen

id be very surprised if we didnt get a striker

like raoul said he might be doing this so we dont have to pay hiked prices aswell

do you think we will buy anymore players?

to be honest your squad doesnt really strike the fear of life into me<hr></blockquote>

Are you disagreeing that Kenyon said the above?

If so, why? If not, he didn't merely talk about defenders as you claimed 5 mins ago did he?

RUDDY · Jul 23, 2002

Originally posted by Davo:


Are you disagreeing that Kenyon said the above?

If so, why? If not, he didn't merely talk about defenders as you claimed 5 mins ago did he?<hr></blockquote>

not saying that but if you listened to the whole interview you would see what he ment

but if fergie asked for more money for Gudjohnsen for 10mil-15mil then he would get it if yorke is offloaded

That's two players of £30m or thereabouts...

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