Test draft Match 4 - EAP vs Mani

Who will win the test series?

  • EAP to win 1-0

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  • EAP to win 2-0

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  • EAP to win 3-0

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  • Mani to win 1-0

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  • Total voters
    14
  • Poll closed .

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Welcome to the fourth match of the test draft!

  • Judge the players on their peaks excluding any 6-12 month purple patch.
  • Vote for the team you think will win a 3 match test series between these 2 sides based on the given nature of pitches.
  1. 1st test: Good batting pitch.
  2. 2nd test: Slow wicket which gets worse as the game goes on and will assist spinners heavily.
  3. 3rd test: Green top. Assists pace, seam and swing bowling.
 
The teams:

EAP:

Simon Katich
Shane Watson
Kumar Sangakkara
Saleem Malik
Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Ian Bell (Only for 1st Test)
Moin Khan
Roger Harper
Vernon Philander
Ian Bishop
Allan Donald
S Venkataraghavan (Only for 2nd and 3rd Tests)

Mani:

1. Justin Langer
2. Marcus Trescothick
3. Michael Vaughan
4. Mark Waugh
5. Clive Lloyd (C)
6. Damien Martyn
7. MS Dhoni†
8. Michael Holding
9. Waqar Younis
10. Morne Morkel (Plays in the 1st and 3rd Test Matches)
11. Mushtaq Ahmed
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12. Lasith Malinga (Plays in the 2nd Test Match)
 
EAP write up:

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Highlights for certain players:

Shane Watson & Simon Katich:

When Matthew Hayden retired in early 2009, Watson got a look in at opener and immediately made his mark. Dual half-tons against England at Edgbaston kicked off a happy habit and his first eight Tests atop the order contained one century and seven half-centuries at an average of 63.Watson was clearly at his best as an opening batsman, scoring 2,049 runs and averaging over 40 in 29 Tests from 2009 to 2013.

He and Simon Katich were a devastating opening pair and averaged 54.39 in their 28 innings together.

Kumar Sangakkara:

Test Records:

- Highest aggregate of runs- Sangakkara (12,400) in 134 matches at an Average of 57.40
- Most double centuries in a career - Sangakkara has 11 double centuries in tests, second only to 12 double centuries by Don Bradman.
- First player to score 150+ scores in four consecutive Test matches.
- Most runs in Year 2014 - 1483 runs in 12 matches with 4 hundreds and 9 fifties with average 71.09

Ian Bishop:

- He reached 100 test wickets in only 21 Test matches.

Ian Bell:

- He has scored twenty-two Test centuries.
- He is one of only a handful of batsman to have scored a test century against all current test playing nations.
- Second player since Ian Botham to be involved in 5 Ashes series wins.
 
Mani write up:

Why I'll win.......

  • Fast bowlers hunt in pair- Micheal Holding & Waqar Younis + M.Morkel/L.Malinga :
    • I have the best opening bowling combo in this draft arguably, as M.Holding and W.Younis have achieved success individually and as a pair with their respective teammates. Here Waqar/Holding will test the batsmen with nagging pace and accuracy. When the ball gets old, they can reverse swing the ball plus the toe crushing Yorkers from Waqar could knock few timber's.
    • I doubt whether EAP's opening batsmen's are good enough to deal with the pace and swing of Wagar/Holding and they will expose his middle order to a new ball, which would halt their dream of scoring big on any kind of pitch.

  • Captain Fantastic : C.Lloyd
    • One of the most successful captains in the cricket history.

  • Spinner - Musthaq Ahmed
    • Leg spin/ googly bowler from the sub-continent will give much needed variety in the spin department compared to EAP's off spin duo.

  • Opening batsmen's:
    • J.Langer / M.Trescothick, comparatively these two are in far better position to negate the pace bowlers as the Langer's calmness and M.Trescothick's flamboyant style come in handy regardless of whatever is thrown at them from EAP's side.

  • Middle order: M.Vaughan - M.Waugh - C.Lloyd - D.Martyn
    • Batsmen who can produce long innings and are equally good at dealing against spin or pace bowling.

  • Lead men while batting Vaughan; C.Lloyd; MS.Dhoni
    • Beginning Phase - Vaughan
    • Middle Phase - C.Lloyd
    • End phase - MS.Dhoni
    • All three lead their respective country and had guided their team during the crucial phases. Their leadership would come in handy to support the batsmen at the other end and help ease the pressure and help the team pose a good total.

  • Sharp slip fielders M.Waugh; C.Lloyd; M.Trescothick
    • Best slip fielders to complement fast bowling

  • Whispering Death and The Burewala Express




The Team

Justin Langer (Ave: 45.27): In a land of dashers and crashers Langer was seen as a grafter, a battler, but the reality was that he was a swashbuckling strokemaker. His partnership with Hayden tore up record books with ease and made the likes of Greenidge and Haynes look like strokeless stonewallers.

Marcus Trescothick (Ave: 43.79): One of England’s most reliable opening batsman in the 21st century. Despite having a very short career, Trescothick was a mainstay in the England team and was a crucial member of the 2005 Ashes win. Bullying most attacks without even giving the impression of doing so, his armoury included classic cover drives and fearless pull shots. Against the spinners, he used slog sweeps to great effect.

Michael Vaughan (Ave: 41.44): Despite early comparisons to Michael Atherton for his inhumanly calm aura at the crease, Vaughan soon demonstrated he was more than just a like-for-like replacement. Once he had made the place his own, Vaughan blossomed magnificently, playing with a freedom of expression that Atherton had never dared to approach. Vaughan was only the third Englishmen after Graham Gooch and David Gower to reach the summit of the ICC World Test rankings in 2003.

Mark Waugh (Ave: 41.81): One of the world’s most elegant and gifted strokemakers, the twin brother of Steve, Waugh’s game was characterized by an ability to drive, cut, pull and loft the ball so effortlessly that it could make him look disdainful of the talents of bowlers. Gifted, natural, elegant, languid, carefree… the adjectives could go on and on. Mark Waugh was that special a cricketer.

Clive Lloyd(Ave: 46.67): Clive Lloyd was the crucial ingredient in the rise of West Indian cricket. He was a hard-hitting batsmen and one of the most successful captains in history. An almost ponderous, lazy gait belied the speed and power at his command and the astute tactical brain that led the West Indies to the top of world cricket for two decades. He transformed the philosophy of West Indian cricket, turning a band of supremely talented, yet inconsistent happy-go-lucky cricketers into ruthless machinery for destruction.

Damien Martyn(Ave: 46.37): The artist with the silken touch. With the exception of Tendulkar and perhaps Waugh, no other Cricketer made batting look so simple. In their world beating era, there were quite a few power players who mercilessly slaughtered bowlers. Martyn too could dominate, but in his own away. He would merely caress and thread the ball through the gaps with that delicate approach. On his day, the bowlers had a tough task of dismissing him as he could dominate in a flash; an hour or two gone by and they would find him in total control.

MS Dhoni (Ave: 38.09): Arguably one of India’s most popular and charismatic cricketers, Captain Cool’s home-made batting and wicketkeeping technique, and a style of captaincy had scaled the highs and lows of both conservatism and unorthodoxy. Dhoni demonstrated all that was right with the new look India. He didn't respect reputations, but never disrespected. He improvised; he learned and soon became one of the best ever Wicket keeping batsmen his country has ever produced.

Michael Holding (Ave: 23.68; Econ: 2.79; SR: 50.9): Michael Holding turned around from far, far away, where the eyes had to squint to see. And then he ran in fluid, silent, long strides, with an action almost hypnotic in grace and athleticism. And as he waltzed into follow-through, the ball darted at rates seldom witnessed even in the heydays of pace bowling in the 1970s. His stealthy, extensive run up was soundless and serene. Umpires were seldom aware of his approach till the corner of their eyes caught him stretched in his delivery stride. Not for nothing was he was he called “Whispering Death“.

Waqar Younis (Ave: 23.56; Econ: 3.25; 43.4): The man who really put reverse into swing. Sharing his Test debut with the Master Blaster Sachin Tendulkar, during the November 1989 Test at Karachi, he took a four-wicket haul in his first Test innings, including the wicket of Tendulkar. He never looked back since.

Morne Morkel (Ave: 29.33; Econ: 3.12; SR: 56.3): 1.96m tall, Morkel’s height allows him to generate steepling and awkward bounce. At his peak, he used a combination of speed and skill to form part of South Africa's most potent pace pack.

Mushtaq Ahmed (Ave: 32.97; Econ: 2.92; SR: 67.7): Bubbly, Chubby, Unique action with Googlies aplenty. Styling his action on his hero Abdul Qadir, he is a match winner with a full house of legspin variations. At his best he is not far behind Shane Warne. He can bowl the leggie as well as the googly with uncanny similarity. He is a wrist spinner which sanctions him to get a good turn on the ball and his stock googly has stunned many a set batsmen in their prime.

Lasith Malinga (Ave: 33.15; Econ: 3.85; SR: 51.5): He sets off: his run-up smoothly transforming from a jog into a sprint, his curly golden-streaked locks swirling in the wind, and by the time he crosses the umpire, he is steaming in like a hurricane on rampage. Within microseconds, his right bowling arm swings in an angle parallel to the ground, what they call a round-arm action, and the ball is released almost from the line of middle-stump. Before the batsman can say, “What the…”, the ball has zoomed in, swinging deviously in the air and pitched right where the batsman’s feet are. Lasith Malinga gained a reputation for delivering searing inswinging yorkers from a round-arm action as destructive as it was distinctive. That yorker, a deceptive slower ball, and an excellent bouncer formed the body of Malinga's menace, while the action made his deliveries hard to pick up. All that ability was also set off by street smarts; Malinga was rarely shy to switch up plans, and reshuffle fields. Even when batsmen thought they knew what was about to come, Malinga retained the capacity to surprise.
 
Well, this seems to be dead. Let me start off then...

Openers:

I'd rate both opening combos as similar, though Katich is the best opener on the pitch.

Middle Order:

I have a clear advantage in the Middle Order

No. 3 - Sangakkara averages 60.83 comfortably better Vaughan at 40.38. Sanga's peak was even higher at 70's!
No. 4 - Malik averages 55.84 > Waugh at 42.43
No. 5 - Chanderpaul averages 56.42 > Lloyd at 46.20
No. 6 - Ian Bell at 60.11 > Martyn at 48.39

Tail Enders:

Mani has the advantage in Dhoni who is better than Moin Khan.

Bowlers:

Pace: I'd say the speed merchants are similar, though I'd put Donald as the best bowler on the pitch.
Spinners: Harper > Mushtaq Ahmad. Plus I have a legend in Venkataraghavan who will thrive in 2nd test where conditions would be perfect!
 
Sorry guys so much news stuff happening today.. will give this a read and provide feedback.
 
Would like to hear from @Mani too before calling this.

@Edgar Allan Pillow Good team. But what are you team's batting averages when facing swinging conditions? Don't think Watson, Malik or Bell would be too good at it? Bell struggles in non-English conditions. Also, Harper > Mushy. Can you explain?
 
Well, this seems to be dead. Let me start off then...

Openers:

I'd rate both opening combos as similar, though Katich is the best opener on the pitch.

Middle Order:

I have a clear advantage in the Middle Order

No. 3 - Sangakkara averages 60.83 comfortably better Vaughan at 40.38. Sanga's peak was even higher at 70's!
No. 4 - Malik averages 55.84 > Waugh at 42.43
No. 5 - Chanderpaul averages 56.42 > Lloyd at 46.20
No. 6 - Ian Bell at 60.11 > Martyn at 48.39

Tail Enders:

Mani has the advantage in Dhoni who is better than Moin Khan.

Bowlers:

Pace: I'd say the speed merchants are similar, though I'd put Donald as the best bowler on the pitch.
Spinners: Harper > Mushtaq Ahmad. Plus I have a legend in Venkataraghavan who will thrive in 2nd test where conditions would be perfect!
Can't agree with most of this. Langer is the best opener between the sides for me. Also Clive Lloyd was better than Chanderpaul, and I'd have M Waugh over Malik. Martyn over Bell as well, although I'm not a big fan of either.

Holding is the best bowler for me, with Donald and Waqar both close behind. And I definitely rate Ahmed over Harper.
 
Can't go in to too much detail as I'm at work but I voted EAP to win 2-1. I think both sides look very strong but Mani would edge the second Test with the better spinners. However I like the way EAP has structured his side to put everyone in their strongest batting position and I think they would probably nick the other 2 matches. As I said haven't really got the time to go in to much more detail but 2 well drafted sides - credit to both Draftsmen!!
 
Would like to hear from @Mani too before calling this.

@Edgar Allan Pillow Good team. But what are you team's batting averages when facing swinging conditions? Don't think Watson, Malik or Bell would be too good at it? Bell struggles in non-English conditions. Also, Harper > Mushy. Can you explain?

Don't England conditions usually support swing? Both Watson and Bell are well versed there. Harper was quite underrated in a team that preferred pace. His stats in Average, Econ, S/R are all better than Mushy.

Can't agree with most of this. Langer is the best opener between the sides for me. Also Clive Lloyd was better than Chanderpaul, and I'd have M Waugh over Malik. Martyn over Bell as well, although I'm not a big fan of either.

Holding is the best bowler for me, with Donald and Waqar both close behind. And I definitely rate Ahmed over Harper.

Well, we'd need to disagree here. Katich is definitely better than Langer and you need to consider his proven partnership with Watson here. It's a classic case of total being more than sum of it's parts. Iirc they are the 2nd most successful Aus opening partnership of all time or something.

Lloyd is a legend of the game and captained WIndes during their most successful period, but as a pure batsman Chanderpaul is better. With better average and higher ration of 100s/50s, he was better than Clive.

We'll have to disagree on Holding. Even if he was available, I'd go for Donald over Holding.

For the 2nd test, I have 2 spinners over his Mushy. It's a definitive edge with an Indian legend taking his place in my squad.
 
@Edgar Allan Pillow I disagree with pretty much everything you posted about the batting, and using only stats for the position you are playing them in is highly misleading.
 
@ChrisNelson Roger Harper took 50 odd wickets in 20 odd matches. Almost 2 wickets a game. He's a non factor IMO
 
Ian Bell has played 18.5% of his innings at number 6, yet that's what's put up in stats about him. @Edgar Allan Pillow aiming for scan voters :lol:
 
Well, this seems to be dead. Let me start off then...

Openers:

I'd rate both opening combos as similar, though Katich is the best opener on the pitch.

Middle Order:

I have a clear advantage in the Middle Order

No. 3 - Sangakkara averages 60.83 comfortably better Vaughan at 40.38. Sanga's peak was even higher at 70's!
No. 4 - Malik averages 55.84 > Waugh at 42.43
No. 5 - Chanderpaul averages 56.42 > Lloyd at 46.20
No. 6 - Ian Bell at 60.11 > Martyn at 48.39

Tail Enders:

Mani has the advantage in Dhoni who is better than Moin Khan.

Bowlers:'s

Pace: I'd say the speed merchants are similar, though I'd put Donald as the best bowler on the pitch.
Spinners: Harper > Mushtaq Ahmad. Plus I have a legend in Venkataraghavan who will thrive in 2nd test where conditions would be perfect!
Nice way to start this :)
Langer/Trescothick had played against much better pace attack compared watson/Katich , plus i doubt the temperament of Watson especially in the longer version of the game.
Middle order, stats never going to tell you the full story, scoring against the attack comprise of Ambrose/McGrath/waqar/Wasim/Lillee/Thomo is much superior compared to fast bowlers of in 2010-2015.
M.Waugh /D.Martyn both came against Walsh/Ambrose or Wasim/Waqar of 90's and proved their mettle.
Like wise C.Lloyd against the bowling combo of Lillee/Thomo
Apart from this my middle order player better players of Spin bowling,Mark Waugh /C.Lloyd/D.Martyn all got better record in Indian condition.

Keeper as EAP said, Dhoni>M.Khan

Bowlers

Holding/Waqar/Morkel/Malinga
This bowling combo got variety where as i would say EAP's look one dimensional,I got bowler who could batsmen with sheer pace or Swinging yorkers or the nagging line and length of Morkel or L.Malinga who can mix it with slow ball and yorkers.

Spinners :Musthaq Ahmed > Harper
Anyone who watched the cricket in 90's who clearly say how good Musthaq, he's easily the second best bowlers after Warne in 90's where as Windies never depended on Harper plus he's not that consistence.
 
Can't go in to too much detail as I'm at work but I voted EAP to win 2-1. I think both sides look very strong but Mani would edge the second Test with the better spinners. However I like the way EAP has structured his side to put everyone in their strongest batting position and I think they would probably nick the other 2 matches. As I said haven't really got the time to go in to much more detail but 2 well drafted sides - credit to both Draftsmen!!
My players all playing in the respective position where they had excelled for their respective countries,Plus i got the successful captain to lead this unit.
 
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I think Mani has the better team all around tbh. Better openers, better middle order, better pacers. It's only the spin department that's sort of even. Tough luck for EAP tbh because he has a good side but Mani has out together a class team.
 
I think Mani has the better team all around tbh. Better openers, better middle order, better pacers. It's only the spin department that's sort of even. Tough luck for EAP tbh because he has a good side but Mani has out together a class team.

Yeah it's a pretty insane team for a first round.
 
Openers: Mani> EAP
#3-5: EAP>Mani, although very close. Saleem Malik weakening it a bit. But Sanga and Chanderpaul:drool:
#6&7: Mani>EAP
Fast Bowlers: Very close. Bishop/Donald/ Philander and Waqar/Holding/Morkel is just too close to call.
Spinners: I haven't seen any of them, but statistically Mushtaq is better. But at the same time I'm not sure who will be bowling from the other end in the middle overs.
Slightly inclined to Mani's team ATM but pretty close especially due to the 2 bowling lineups
 
D.Martyn vs I.Bell

Countries AUS ENG INDIA NZ PAK SA SL

Bell 37.29 47.84 27.07 44.77 52.16 44.71 38.22

Martyn 46.86 40.00 55.50 61.22 - 41.22 52.50

D.Martyn clearly better player in sub continent and equally good in seam condition
 
Don't England conditions usually support swing? Both Watson and Bell are well versed there. Harper was quite underrated in a team that preferred pace. His stats in Average, Econ, S/R are all better than Mushy.



Well, we'd need to disagree here. Katich is definitely better than Langer and you need to consider his proven partnership with Watson here. It's a classic case of total being more than sum of it's parts. Iirc they are the 2nd most successful Aus opening partnership of all time or something.

Lloyd is a legend of the game and captained WIndes during their most successful period, but as a pure batsman Chanderpaul is better. With better average and higher ration of 100s/50s, he was better than Clive.

We'll have to disagree on Holding. Even if he was available, I'd go for Donald over Holding.

For the 2nd test, I have 2 spinners over his Mushy. It's a definitive edge with an Indian legend taking his place in my squad.

Chandrapaul was average batsmen and nowhere he can be compared with great C.Lloyd, C.Lloyd played in the era where no cover for batsmen was available,run from his blade came from prominent bowlers of late 60's and 70's when bouncers per over has no restrictions. He was equally good in Seam/Pacy pitches or the pitches in India(Average 75.50) His highest score 242*came in India against the bowling comprise of Chandra/Bedi/Prasanna which clearly states that Lloyd is technically very good against spin.

Batsmen would be happy to face two one dimensional off spinners than the leg break/Googly bowlers.Harper/Venkat does not give you variety.
 
Chandrapaul was average batsmen and nowhere he can be compared with great C.Lloyd, C.Lloyd played in the era where no cover for batsmen was available,run from his blade came from prominent bowlers of late 60's and 70's when bouncers per over has no restrictions. He was equally good in Seam/Pacy pitches or the pitches in India(Average 75.50) His highest score 242*came in India against the bowling comprise of Chandra/Bedi/Prasanna which clearly states that Lloyd is technically very good against spin.

Batsmen would be happy to face two one dimensional off spinners than the leg break/Googly bowlers.Harper/Venkat does not give you variety.

:nono:
That's harsh for such a classy player. Although I agree Lloyd was better, but Chanderpaul was way more than just average.
 
Chandrapaul was average batsmen and nowhere he can be compared with great C.Lloyd, C.Lloyd played in the era where no cover for batsmen was available,run from his blade came from prominent bowlers of late 60's and 70's when bouncers per over has no restrictions. He was equally good in Seam/Pacy pitches or the pitches in India(Average 75.50) His highest score 242*came in India against the bowling comprise of Chandra/Bedi/Prasanna which clearly states that Lloyd is technically very good against spin.

Batsmen would be happy to face two one dimensional off spinners than the leg break/Googly bowlers.Harper/Venkat does not give you variety.
By that logic, shouldn't Donald be considered a better bowler than holding?

I'm not saying he is, just wanted to ask your opinion
 
:nono:
That's harsh for such a classy player. Although I agree Lloyd was better, but Chanderpaul was way more than just average.
May be i should have presented in better way,average by considering the era these batsmen had played and the bowlers these two had faced.
No way I'm undermining Chandra's ability as batsmen but he's no match to C.Lloyd.
 
The comments are equal but Mani is killing EAP in the votes
 
May be i should have presented in better way,average by considering the era these batsmen had played and the bowlers these two had faced.
No way I'm undermining Chandra's ability as batsmen but he's no match to C.Lloyd.
I agree Lloyd was better, but IMO Chandra faced better bowlers. Also, Chandra was Rank 1 in late 2000's and in top 10 in early 2000's.
Although, have voted in your favour, a piece on Chanderpaul from Guardian:

Left alone, Chanderpaul would have gone on. He has never given anything away easy. His greatest innings weren’t measured in balls and runs so much as sessions and hours. Four times he went 1,000 minutes between consecutive Test dismissals. He was the only man to do that. In 2002 he batted, undefeated, for 25 hours spread across three innings against India. In 2007, 17 hours in three innings against England. In 2008, 18 hours in three innings against Australia. The point with Chanderpaul was always that he chose to play this way, reckoning it the best thing for the team. His career became one long rearguard against the decline of West Indian cricket. He was always capable of cutting loose when he wanted to, as he did against Australia at the Bourda in 2003, when he lashed a century off 69 balls against an attack of Jason Gillespie, Brett Lee, Andy Bichel and Stuart MacGill. He says he did it almost unthinkingly, having come to the crease with the score on 47 for four.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...-goodbye-shiv-chanderpaul-west-indies-cricket