Team for West Brom

[JSV]

-----------------Barthez--------------------

Neville-------Blanc-------????-----Silvestre

Beckham-------Keane------Scholes/Veron---------Giggs

---------Van Nistelrooy---Solksjaer---------

I'd go with Veron for the first game seeing as Scholesey will have a had a tiring WC whereas Veron will be fresh. Maybe even give Chadders a first game over Beckham. Apart from that everyone will be fresh. 3-0 United.

 

[Davo]

You'd pick Veron over on form Butt and Scholes?

Is it because you love him and are desperate for him to succeed?

 

[JSV]

I've given my reason Davo. What do you have to say about that?

 

[Davo]

Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>I've given my reason Davo. What do you have to say about that?

</strong><hr></blockquote>

That you clearly love him and are desperate for him to succeed....

I hope he starts as well...

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>

That you clearly love him and are desperate for him to succeed....

I hope he starts as well... </strong><hr></blockquote>

I've given my reason why he should start Davo. What do you have to say about that?

 

[Davo]

Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>

I've given my reason why he should start Davo. What do you have to say about that?

</strong><hr></blockquote>

I've just told you???

Are you so in love with him you find it hard to read?

 

[Nistelrooy10]

Aren't we going to play the cl qualifications before our first game with Broom?

 

[JSV]

Oh yeah....

You can start that thread then.

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>-----------------Barthez</strong><hr></blockquote>
Jumping the gun a bit aren't you? We haven't even started the summer transfer business, the WC is still on, some of those players might be sold, some might be injured.

 

[Julian Denny]

Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>-----------------Barthez</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ok - no new signings then except ????. But who's going to be on the bench ? problems methinks.

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>
Jumping the gun a bit aren't you? We haven't even started the summer transfer business, the WC is still on, some of those players might be sold, some might be injured.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not at all. I expect that to be the team with the exception of ???. I don't think we'll be selling any of the players in that team.

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Julian Denny:
<strong>

Ok - no new signings then except ????. But who's going to be on the bench ? problems methinks.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What do you mean? Why is it a problem if players are on the bench?

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>

Not at all. I expect that to be the team with the exception of ???. I don't think we'll be selling any of the players in that team.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I wouldn't be at all surprised if some or all of Veron, Silvestre, Soljkaer, Barthez didn't start that game for one or other reasons that I said. Do you really think that changing just one man at the back will be enough to radically improve our team? I don't.

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>
I wouldn't be at all surprised if some or all of Veron, Silvestre, Soljkaer, Barthez didn't start that game for one or other reasons that I said. Do you really think that changing just one man at the back will be enough to radically improve our team? I don't.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't think so no. Why do you think we need to make massive changes to our team though? Personally I don't think it needs much changing at all.

 

[Dans]

Starting line up for a match that doesn't take place for two months? Kinell.

 

[jedi master yoda]

Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>--------------Barthez--------------------
Neville-------Blanc-------????-----Silvestre

Beckham-------Keane------Scholes/Veron---------Giggs

---------Van Nistelrooy---Solksjaer---------

I'd go with Veron for the first game seeing as Scholesey will have a had a tiring WC whereas Veron will be fresh. Maybe even give Chadders a first game over Beckham. Apart from that everyone will be fresh. 3-0 United.

</strong><hr></blockquote>


come jedi jsv....that line-up's utter crap..with all our reported signings soon, it will be the following:

recber
thuram
nesta
ayala
escude
beckham
keano
viana
duff
ronaldo
rvn

with butt,scholes,ole,blanc & carroll on the bench
and that tortilla/portilla bloke the captain of the reserves......
sheesh jsv, give the guys with all the interesting links some leverage, will you, god knows it ain't easy, spending all day dreaming up fantasy teams........

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Starting line up for a match that doesn't take place for two months? Kinell.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Don't worry, it was started with tongue in cheek.

Just missing United and the league stuff etc.

 

[Julian Denny]

Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>

What do you mean? Why is it a problem if players are on the bench?</strong><hr></blockquote>

If that's your team and there are no new signings except ??? - who's going to be on the bench ? Irwin, Cole, Johnsen and no doubt Wallwork and Yorke will have to be replaced. In other words where's the back up for the starting eleven? It's going to be a problem unless a few new faces arrive or unless Fergie can intorduce some youngsters from the reserves with no first team experience.

Anyway, apart from ???, the Plc will be delighted with your proposed side !

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Julian Denny:
<strong>

If that's your team and there are no new signings except ??? - who's going to be on the bench ? Irwin, Cole, Johnsen and no doubt Wallwork and Yorke will have to be replaced. In other words where's the back up for the starting eleven? It's going to be a problem unless a few new faces arrive or unless Fergie can intorduce some youngsters from the reserves with no first team experience.

Anyway, apart from ???, the Plc will be delighted with your proposed side !</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't see any major problems with that starting line up. As far as I know Silvestre is signing a new contract and Blanc is staying, i think. The midfield pretty much picks itself, although the Veron issue is admittedly still not totally sorted out. The strikers probably won't, and shouldn't be changed.

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>

I don't think so no. Why do you think we need to make massive changes to our team though? Personally I don't think it needs much changing at all.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think it does, because to blame our defensive problems on just one central defensive position (I don't know which player is the scapegoat here, brown, gazza, johnsen) is a bit blinkered. We won the premiership three years in a row with record margins too, but the rest have got a lot better, why we've got a lot worse - it'll take more than one defender to change that round.

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>
I think it does, because to blame our defensive problems on just one central defensive position (I don't know which player is the scapegoat here, brown, gazza, johnsen) is a bit blinkered. We won the premiership three years in a row with record margins too, but the rest have got a lot better, why we've got a lot worse - it'll take more than one defender to change that round.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't think the defence was the only thing wrong last year. IMO it was a culmination of errors from all over the side that resulted in us droping so many points, especially the home results where we lost 1-0 and such. I don't think the bulk of a team which dominated so easily for 3 years has suddenly got bad and needs major overhauling. 1 dominating Ferdinand-type centre back would make more of an impact than you think i'd suspect.

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>

I don't think the defence was the only thing wrong last year. IMO it was a culmination of errors from all over the side that resulted in us droping so many points, especially the home results where we lost 1-0 and such. I don't think the bulk of a team which dominated so easily for 3 years has suddenly got bad and needs major overhauling. 1 dominating Ferdinand-type centre back would make more of an impact than you think i'd suspect.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If you think the defence wasn't the only thing wrong last year (and do you mean just central or wide positions too?), then why aren't you making any changes to the rest of the team?

An interesting point for me is this: IF Veron is sold, is there a need to replace him? Is our old midfield 4 of Giggs, Keane, Scholes and Becks not up to the job anymore? Should any of these be sold and replaced then? IMO They are up to the task, but they need stiffer competition, yet always being played in their favoured positions. We do perhaps need a midfielder who gives us different attacking options, but a link striker could do that just as well.

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>
If you think the defence wasn't the only thing wrong last year (and do you mean just central or wide positions too?), then why aren't you making any changes to the rest of the team?

An interesting point for me is this: IF Veron is sold, is there a need to replace him? Is our old midfield 4 of Giggs, Keane, Scholes and Becks not up to the job anymore? Should any of these be sold and replaced then? IMO They are up to the task, but they need stiffer competition, yet always being played in their favoured positions. We do perhaps need a midfielder who gives us different attacking options, but a link striker could do that just as well.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Because I felt last season was a bit of a freak in that we had a number of our great players injured/out of form for long periods of the season. Our early season bad form coincided with Scholes and Beckham playing wrectchedly, hence Beckham being dropped and Scholes having the touble with Fergie (Worthington cup, Arsenal) etc. Not to mention trying out new systems and having £50m worth of talent to settle in. Barthez had a bad period of the season too, so the blame certainly can't be totally shouldered on the defence.

If Veron leaves, we definetily need good backup players to come in as it is more than likely we'll get injuries, as well as players going out of form. That is why I think and hope Veron will stay. For the seasons before last we suffered from lacking options when we're in trouble in games, and that was when we had Sheringham and Solksjaer to come off the bench, so we need neew players, just not first teamers. A link striker/midfielder in the Duff mould would be perfect really.

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>

Because I felt last season was a bit of a freak in that we had a number of our great players injured/out of form for long periods of the season. Our early season bad form coincided with Scholes and Beckham playing wrectchedly, hence Beckham being dropped and Scholes having the touble with Fergie (Worthington cup, Arsenal) etc. Not to mention trying out new systems and having £50m worth of talent to settle in. Barthez had a bad period of the season too, so the blame certainly can't be totally shouldered on the defence.

If Veron leaves, we definetily need good backup players to come in as it is more than likely we'll get injuries, as well as players going out of form. That is why I think and hope Veron will stay. For the seasons before last we suffered from lacking options when we're in trouble in games, and that was when we had Sheringham and Solksjaer to come off the bench, so we need neew players, just not first teamers. A link striker/midfielder in the Duff mould would be perfect really.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You're right about the variety of factors that came into play, which can greatly be contributed to Alex's tactics of 4-5-1 (or variations thereof) and the effect on the understanding and form of our players. Good competition for our players to keep their hunger sharp and to confidently replace them when their form dips is important. Thats why a good backup goalie would be very useful, a replacement for Fortune - preferably who can play on both wings, and a 4th striker are all necessary. But there is only a finite amount of money, and its plainly true that you have expensive players in the 1st team, and much less expensive players, or home-grown talent, in the reserves. Duff's value has sky-rocketed with the WC, so he is not suitable for that, particularly since we'll be broke after buying our 1 or 2 (more likely considering the number that have left) central defenders. Veron should only be played if he is on top form, otherwise he should be a reserve, and if he doesn't adjust then he should be sold (personally I'd sell him, we could do with the cash and he's been crap). Joe Cole would be a better reserve, or perhaps someone from the england U21's (or foreign for that matter - e.g.Hugo Viana). Its about best use of money.

 

[dicko]

Recber
Thuram, Ferdinand, Nesta, Roberto Carlos
Duff, Veron, Joe Cole, Viana
Rialdo, Ronaldo.

Subs Bartez, Blanc, Keane, Beckham, Van Nistelrooy.

Last year was a disaster. Unless we take drastic action we'll be relegated.

 

[Gazza]

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by dicko:
<strong>Recber
Thuram, Ferdinand, Nesta, Roberto Carlos
Duff, Veron, Joe Cole, Viana
Rialdo, Ronaldo.

Subs Bartez, Blanc, Keane, Beckham, Van Nistelrooy.

Last year was a disaster. Unless we take drastic action we'll be relegated.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What worries me is the lack of a winking smiley here.....

 

[Dans]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>

What worries me is the lack of a winking smiley here.....</strong><hr></blockquote>

Perhaps he's just a regular straight geezer.

 

[jedi master yoda]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>

What worries me is the lack of a winking smiley here.....</strong><hr></blockquote>

aha..so that is why no one took jedi master seriously eh.......

 

[Livvie]

Especially for JSV:

Barthez
Neville G.
Blanc
Ferdinand
Silvestre
Beckham
Keane
Butt/Scholes
Giggs
Ole
Ruud

or

John O'Shea in place of Ferdinand who probably won't be with us. Unless we have Nesta that is.

I like Gary Neville as a centre-back, but at least he can play as right back. I don't have confidence in Wes Brown in the centre at all - yet.