He’s class. Love footballers like him. Quite random but he reminds me of Pjanic at his best.
Sverre Nypan | Norwegian media: Will do a PL tour in December
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Same here, transfers like Christian, Nani, Amad (I know he was a bit expensive) , Dan James etc should have a place in our strategy because they can help retrieve ugly fallouts from expensive mistakes. Amad, if he continues on this trend, is basically what we thought we were getting from Antony and Sancho.
Two seasons in the Norwegian league against teams on a par with Aberdeen and Burton Albion on plastic pitches is no barometer whatsoever to suggest he's anywhere near good enough for Manchester United!
The example you are using is five years older and has played 13 games in the French league!
One of our biggest mistakes in recent years has been signing players that are nowhere near ready for this level. Hojlund and Zirkzee come to mind.
If you think this club should be full of project players and a testing ground then great. Just don't be surprised if we carry on being miles off a title challenge or playing Champions league football.
For Nypan the best possible step he could take right now would be to take a sensible step up to a bigger league and club but one where there's not too much pressure or expectation. If he develops there, then we take another look. If not then we have wasted money, but most importantly time on a player that's a million miles away from being ready to play in the Premier League.
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What? You're not helping your point spouting stuff like that.
Since you're obviously brilliant at adding context, I will surrender to your untouchable arguments.
Quite frankly, no it is not a lot of money for a second or third tier talent. No idea if he even is a second or third tier talent. From what I can see, Nypan has shown just as much as Bergvall has (if not more) prior to his move to Spurs.
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Nypan is definitely at least if not more talented than Bergvall.
Looks like a strong gust of wind could knock him over.
Looks very two-footed - don’t think we have had a player like him since Carrick. Though Eriksen is pretty good also.
What makes you think Bergvall is so much better?
His style of play (from YouTube videos) reminds me alot of Kaka.
Did you watch Djurgården a lot when he was playing there?
My dad is swedish and my mom is Norwegian (Trondheim). I have 4 uncles and a grandfather on my mothers side who are diehard Rosenborg fans so I've grown up watching Rosenborg.
I work in Stockholm and the company i work for are sponsors to Djurgården and we have 10 season tickets we can use. I don't support Djurgården at all but since the team I support is 5 hour away I usually go watch Djurgården.
I base my opinion on that.
Why do you reckon Nypan is the bigger talent?
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No I did not.
But I have watched Nypan and at 17 in a more challenging league he’s is/was putting in mature performances and contributions.
I think it’s harsh to say that a player like Bergvall is better given that Nypan is the youngest player to represent, start and score for Rosenborg, and that he’s considered by scouts and those with greater knowledge than you or I to be the next best talent since Odegaard.
You might want to go do some research on that.
He had an hand full of minutes for Atalanta before his move to United.
Amad made his Serie A debut on 27 October 2019, coming on as a 79th-minute substitute against Udinese, and scored his first goal four minutes later in a 7–1 home win.[13] He became the first player born in 2002 to score in the Italian top flight.[14] His first UEFA Champions League call-up came on 11 December 2019, as an unused substitute in a 3–0 away win against Shakhtar Donetsk.[12]
Amad's first league game in the 2020–21 seasonwas on 28 November 2020, as a 77th-minute substitute against Hellas Verona; Atalanta lost 2–0 at home.[15] Amad made his Champions League debut on 1 December, after being subbed on in the 68th minute against Midtjylland in a 1–1 home draw.
So, he did play, which was the point. I did my research, you might want to read what is written.
Again what makes you think hes so much better? Watching him a bunch doesn't answer the question. Either you think he does certain things better, or you dont. Sofascore has his stats pretty similar to Nypan's from last season when he was just 16... In some areas like ball winning Nypan is higher despite being a year younger.
I hardly ever come on here to post but i needed to login as i have just watched some of his clips on YouTube and he looks like he could be absolutely amazing! What a talent he looks we need to sign this kid sharpo before the enemies get in there first!
We agreed the deal to sign him on October 5th 2020 with a view to joining in January. He’d played a total of 24 minutes in the serie a and was an unused sub in one champions league game.
So he didn’t play in the champions league when we agreed to sign him. That didn’t come till December 2020. Do more research pal.
That must be for midfielders, there is no way Nypan is considered a better talent than players like Haaland or Nusa, in which case Bergvall would also be considered the biggest talent since Ødegaard if he was the Norwegian one, so that doesn't say much.
So let me get this right: you’re questioning my opinion on two players I regularly watch, and all you have is what other more "knowledgeable" people have to say? You haven’t even watched him, yet you feel confident enough to challenge my opinion? That’s absurd.
I never claimed to be the most knowledgeable person in the world; all I did was share MY opinion on two players I’ve watched on many occasions. That’s all. I’m sorry if I offended anyone or hurt anyone’s feelings. Who knows what might happen in the future, Nypan might end up much better than Bergvall, but from what I’ve seen so far, Bergvall looks like the better talent.
I know about the Sweden vs Norway banter and the big brother vs little brother syndrome between the nations. Since I’m both, I’ve never partaken in those kinds of conversations, so please spare me from your (and that other guy’s) subtle digs at Allsvenskan. I don't care.
I did my research, once again learn to read what is written.
Come back when you manage to do that.
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Haaland is an amazing freak of a goal scorer but footballer?
Nypan is comfortably as good as if not better than Bergvall.
Come on, you said he was playing gameS, plural. He had only played one game at the time, and 24 mins at that.
Not that that technicality matters, you definitely tried to make it sound like he was a regular feature, when he had barely dipped his toes when we signed him.
Again, how do you know? You just said you haven't watched Bergvall. You base your opinion on what other people have said.
A general rule in life is to not common on things you have no knowledge about.
You wanting Nypan to be a bigger talent than Bergvall doesn't make it so.
Yes, games, as in he did not play only one game. He certainly played in more than one game before coming to us. I never said that he was a regular, which is why it was not written in the post. He was getting games, that was all I posted, which is true.
There was no need for the condescending 'do your research' crap when none of what he posted is refuting what I had posted.
I haven’t seen any recent tweets, it seems to have all gone quiet.
Norwegian media has nothing, and they love a Premier League link, especially United. There's been very little talk about Nypan in general this year.
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I’m questioning the instant assertion of Bergvall being ahead of him. When I have with my own eyes seen what Nypan has been doing from 16 onwards in a tougher league. Yes, I do trust known scouting sources and those with expertise in the Norwegian leagues in particular when it comes to forming an opinion more so than some random person on a forum who I’ve never interacted with. I know plenty of people who regularly watch football of the clubs they support with terrible takes on players.
I’ve never watched Bergvall in the Swedish league that’s not the same as having never watched him.
You haven’t offended anyone but you’re getting oddly defensive over an opinion. I just happen to have a different one.
There’s also no subtle digs here, it’s widely accepted one league is more competitive and renowned than the other. So I will almost always look at achievements in Norway at a level above those in Sweden. It’s served me just fine in the last 10 or so years.
Again, if you’d asked me if I have watched him play the answer would be yes. But you asked specifically about his time in Sweden. You asked a question I answered and have subsequently acted like I answered a different question.
I base my opinion on what I’ve seen of Nypan at his current club and at youth international level. And what I’ve seen of Bergvall since his move and also that of his international career to date. As well as taking the views of those with experience and quality in assessing players from both regions. Which is why for example I like Nanasi more than Bergvall.
A general rule in life is also not to be condescending and be curious not judgemental. You’ve leapt to a conclusion and come across poorly in how you communicate quite quickly. I hope that you take some learnings from this and take on board this feedback as it’s meant in good will as someone whose role on the CAF is to help find posters that should be promoted quickly due to their quality.
Yes it is. He hadn’t played in the champions league when we agreed to sign him. You said he had.
He’d barely played 45 mins of first team football full stop. None of which was champions league. I dont think 3 substitute appearances constitutes “games for Atalanta” either.
Anyway, moving on. They should totally sign this lad, he plays beyond his years in my eyes.
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I also think that if you compare like for like at this stage in their careers Nypan (who literally only just turned 18) has done more in a more competitive league and let’s say he does get a move to the PL this January I think is better placed to have a longer successful career. Maybe I’m biased towards both a creator and goal threat from a midfield CM or AM position but I think he’s a wonderfully balanced, good carrier and well above average finisher for only 18 years old. When you combine that with a good work ethic and very respectable defensive contribution for someone so young I’m not really sure where you feel Bergvall stands clear ahead of him?
I’d be keen to hear exactly what attributes Bergvall has that make him clearly better? @Johnny boy 98
I’d be keen to hear exactly what attributes Bergvall has that make him clearly better? @Johnny boy 98
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In fact I’m certain that only last month he was ranked 1st amongst all U19 midfielders for:
- Goals
- Assists
- Dribbles
- Shots
- XG
- Offensive Duels
- Through Passes
- Attacking actions
- Progressive runs
- Accelerations
- Touches in opp box
How does he compare with Antonio Nusa?
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Completely different players. Nypan has always been more of an attacking 8 since around 16 so if we were to sign him I’d imagine it would be as the left sided 10.
Nusa could possibly play that role too but I’d imagine he’d fit better the Quenda style wingback role. He’s much quicker, better close control and generally more nippy. You could conceivably sign both and have the left side of our attacking midfielders sorted for some time.
No. The way you had it written made it sound like Amad was a regular in the Serie A. In other words, you kind of said he's a regular without saying he is a regular. Now you're trying to save face by choosing to be literal about his number of appearances when he was at Atalanta.
Nypan at 18 is a far more better and experienced player than Amad was at the same age. Yes, Amad played in a far better league but that doesn't mean anything when he played a total of about 50-60 minutes in 2 seasons.
Trigg won. Take the L
BEFORE we signed him. That’s the basis for the signing, not whatever happens after the deal is done. And even by the time he got to us he had only played like 6 matches matches for Atalanta.
I agree there’s no need for that kind of phrasing, but he certainly had a point.
Hope we get this deal done. Looks a real talent.
It actually does. You are so numbers obsessed that now you are implying that extensively watching two footballers isn’t sufficient for a football fan to say he thinks one is better than the other. Who gives a feck what sofascore says?
I have seen both of them play multiple times in the Norwegian and Swedish league. They are both sublime talents. My question was how Nypan could be a tier or two below Bergvall. I just can’t see it. I actually had Nypan above Bergvall, but I am not a professional scout, so might overlook something.
You have the exact same bias towards Bergvall if not more-so. Having watched him a lot its perfectly natural that you would want your time to be more meaningful and a player you like to do well. The fact you still cant identify why you think hes better is telling.