Sverre Nypan | Norwegian media: Will do a PL tour in December

Grande said:
Nypan, I believe, would be more accurately translated as The Rose Hips.

Sounds like two band names, probably of different musical genres :)
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Only if you write it phonetically in the dialect of the North. :) As an actual word in written, proper Norwegian it doesn't translate as anything. Intuitively, you think "that's not a Norwegian name". I've never heard of anyone else called it, nor of another Norwegian last name that ends in "-pan".

And indeed, here's what familysearch.org has to say:

Nypan Name Meaning​

Irish (Cork): Anglicized form of Gaelic Ó Niatháin ‘descendant of Niathán’, a diminutive of Niath ‘warrior’ (a later spelling of Nia(dh); compare Nee ).
 
justsomebloke said:
Only if you write it phonetically in the dialect of the North. :) As an actual word in written, proper Norwegian it doesn't translate as anything. Intuitively, you think "that's not a Norwegian name". I've never heard of anyone else called it, nor of another Norwegian last name that ends in "-pan".

And indeed, here's what familysearch.org has to say:

Nypan Name Meaning​

Irish (Cork): Anglicized form of Gaelic Ó Niatháin ‘descendant of Niathán’, a diminutive of Niath ‘warrior’ (a later spelling of Nia(dh); compare Nee ).
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Well, the situation is that Sverre Nypan is from up North, or at least north enough for them to say ‘nypan’ in stead of the official grammar version ‘nypene’. His surname hails from a small place/village in Trønderlag, named Nypan, and according to Trondheim byleksikon the name stems (pun intended) from the norse ‘njupa’, a version of nype - albeit a name that may have been more widely used for all thorn bushes then, including rose bushes and hips.

So I think The Rose Hips is probably still a closer translation than The Microscopic Soldier for his particular surname. :)
 
Grande said:
Well, the situation is that Sverre Nypan is from up North, or at least north enough for them to say ‘nypan’ in stead of the official grammar version ‘nypene’. His surname hails from a small place/village in Trønderlag, named Nypan, and according to Trondheim byleksikon the name stems (pun intended) from the norse ‘njupa’, a version of nype - albeit a name that may have been more widely used for all thorn bushes then, including rose bushes and hips.

So I think The Rose Hips is probably still a closer translation than The Microscopic Soldier for his particular surname. :)
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That seems very convincing indeed - I yield! :)
 


Will do a PL tour in December. We’re mentioned as the most likely destination in the article.

He’s a United fan. We’ve scouted him regularly this season and he played against us in the summer. Their manager learnt his trade from Amorim back in 2017. It would be bitterly disappointing if he doesn’t end up here.
 
Samid said:


Will do a PL tour in December. We’re mentioned as the most likely destination in the article.

He’s a United fan. We’ve scouted him regularly this season and he played against us in the summer. Their manager learnt his trade from Amorim back in 2017. It would be bitterly disappointing if he doesn’t end up here.
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Agreed. He's an obvious talent that is ahead and different to what we have in our youth teams given he's very 2 footed and has that instant close control. He also has end product. He's the perfect example of a player to bring in and learn from Bruno and Eriksen and then after hes had time to settle could play next to them and take over as they get older.

Mainoo has that with the above, Casemiro and now Ugarte. Yoro has it with some of our CBs. If he chooses somewhere else fair enough as long as we were in for him imo. I'm sure he'll get offers from clubs doing better than us so it'd be a shame but understandable.
 
He's been the one player I've wanted us to sign in January ever since our interest has been reported. He's a great expansive passer and only Eriksen can say the same from our current players at the moment.
 
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Blood Mage said:
There's a lot of hype around this lad, is he that good?
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Consistently good at 17 years, albeit in the Norwegian league. Not an eye-catching talent right away like Ødegaard was but at the same time it amazes me how mature he plays. Added a bit of a goal threat this season also. Hard to say if he's good enough, but he certainly got the basics for it and seemingly a good head on him.

Like mentioned, huge United fan. We have also a very good relationship with his agent, which is Pimienta (de Ligt, Mazraoui). Would be surprised if he doesnt end up here if we are interested. He has been pestered with questions about United since he made his mark in Norway.
 
We better not drop the ball here; huge United fan, preexisting relationship with manager and we pay better than most. Of course other clubs have more advanced projects or are now benefitting from.the success of theirs but we are there or thereabouts with a charismatic manager to boot.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Love that we seem to be getting more aggressive earlier on with these types of talents, instead of letting them go off to some feeder club that turns them into a 60m+ player.
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Especially if you consider you can arguably gamble on around 4/5 of these players early before you even reach those kinds of fees if you do it early enough.
 
Blood Mage said:
There's a lot of hype around this lad, is he that good?
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He's good and quite multi-faceted, but you never know for sure with youngsters. A lot of the hype is predicated on the fact that he was the youngest debutant for Rosenborg and has mostly looked the part since then. Some of these precocious talents improve rapidly and reach much higher levels. Like Florian Wirtz or Jude Bellingham, to cite recent examples. But most fall to the wayside, unfortunately. Even Martin Ødegaard, whose talent was immense and readily apparent, had to work really hard in different environments (Heerenveen, Vitesse, Real Sociedad) to succeed.

Nypan's eye for the pass (and just the weight on 'em) is quite impressive, and he is a nifty ball-carrier to boot. As well as two-footed, industrious, capable of making sensible decisions considering his youth, and seems to have a innate understanding of space and combination play. That's a firm foundation, and should scale with experience and chemistry with his team mates. But it will take much more to thrive in the most dynamic, physically demanding and frantic-paced league system around, especially at Manchester United (where the pressure and burden of expectations is extraordinary).

Amorim's system seems tailor made for this profile of player though, no doubt about. So many “half-space playmakers” in the younger age brackets these days. This lad could operate as a No. 10 (or as a No. 8, depending on how he is developed), Arda Güler if he leaves Real Madrid, Konstantinos Karetsas at Genk, Chris Rigg at Sunderland, and so forth. Identifying and procuring the right one(s) with regard to exceptional, difference-making quality could really set us up for the future. Time for Ashworth, Vivell and co. to separate the wheat from the chaff and earn their keep.
 
AneRu said:
We better not drop the ball here; huge United fan, preexisting relationship with manager and we pay better than most. Of course other clubs have more advanced projects or are now benefitting from.the success of theirs but we are there or thereabouts with a charismatic manager to boot.
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What's this about?
 
NotThatSoph said:
What's this about?
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AneRu said:
It was meant to be Agent, same agent as Mazraoui and De Ligt.
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This is a very weak link, but some have also been pointing to his current manager in Rosenborg, Alfred Johansson, that he took a course together with Amorim in Portugal in 2017. There's of course a small chance they stayed in touch, even if doubtful. But it could help in conversations between United, Rosenborg and Nypan with regards to which club he should pick of the ones he's touring. I'm sure he'll ask his current manager for some advice.
 
Invictus said:
He's good and quite multi-faceted, but you never know for sure with youngsters. A lot of the hype is predicated on the fact that he was the youngest debutant for Rosenborg and has mostly looked the part since then. Some of these precocious talents improve rapidly and reach much higher levels. Like Florian Wirtz or Jude Bellingham, to cite recent examples. But most fall to the wayside, unfortunately. Even Martin Ødegaard, whose talent was immense and readily apparent, had to work really hard in different environments (Heerenveen, Vitesse, Real Sociedad) to succeed.

Nypan's eye for the pass (and just the weight on 'em) is quite impressive, and he is a nifty ball-carrier to boot. As well as two-footed, industrious, capable of making sensible decisions considering his youth, and seems to have a innate understanding of space and combination play. That's a firm foundation, and should scale with experience and chemistry with his team mates. But it will take much more to thrive in the most dynamic, physically demanding and frantic-paced league system around, especially at Manchester United (where the pressure and burden of expectations is extraordinary).

Amorim's system seems tailor made for this profile of player though, no doubt about. So many “half-space playmakers” in the younger age brackets these days. This lad could operate as a No. 10 (or as a No. 8, depending on how he is developed), Arda Güler if he leaves Real Madrid, Konstantinos Karetsas at Genk, Chris Rigg at Sunderland, and so forth. Identifying and procuring the right one(s) with regard to exceptional, difference-making quality could really set us up for the future. Time for Ashworth, Vivell and co. to separate the wheat from the chaff and earn their keep.
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Karetsas! Cracking prospect, but please let him lead Genk for a few years like Bilal El Khannous did before.
 
Hei plays for my club in Trondheim, Rosenborg. Seen all of his games, a good player in the norwegian league. Will be very surprised if he can handle the premier league, but he is a good player, can shoot and good close controll. His tempo is far from top european standard as of now, but its exciting
 
Matriac said:
This is a very weak link, but some have also been pointing to his current manager in Rosenborg, Alfred Johansson, that he took a course together with Amorim in Portugal in 2017. There's of course a small chance they stayed in touch, even if doubtful. But it could help in conversations between United, Rosenborg and Nypan with regards to which club he should pick of the ones he's touring. I'm sure he'll ask his current manager for some advice.
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That's... a reach, I think. Two people took a course together almost a decade ago, neither of them having any input about transfers (Amorim might get listened to regarding incomings, Johansson certainly won't).

I remember a very small minority of the people I've studied with, and that minority grows even smaller when we're talking about a single course. I certainly wouldn't make any career decisions on the basis of that.
 
Andersonson said:
Hei plays for my club in Trondheim, Rosenborg. Seen all of his games, a good player in the norwegian league. Will be very surprised if he can handle the premier league, but he is a good player, can shoot and good close controll. His tempo is far from top european standard as of now, but its exciting
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To me, it would make no sense to buy him now for our first team.

I think he should go a similar path as Odegaard, just that we would keep him for our first team. I would buy him now and keep him in Norway for the rest of the season. Then let him join us next summer, let him train with the first team and pre season with us, maybe some league cup and u21 games for half a season. Then i would loan him out in winter to the Eredivisie and assess again next season. Then maybe another loan to a stronger league. Yes, the first 2-3 years would be more development and a couple of loans, but i think it is the only way of him getting game time and progressing. He will be too good for the reserves, but not good enough for the first team yet.
 
NotThatSoph said:
That's... a reach, I think. Two people took a course together almost a decade ago, neither of them having any input about transfers (Amorim might get listened to regarding incomings, Johansson certainly won't).

I remember a very small minority of the people I've studied with, and that minority grows even smaller when we're talking about a single course. I certainly wouldn't make any career decisions on the basis of that.
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I'm not saying it's a big link, but the world of professional football is rather small. You're more likely to stay in touch when you meet around travel/events, than people do in most other industries where companies don't interact with each other as much directly.

But I was thinking more in regards to if the player asks his current manager for advice on where he should go. I know I'm completely reaching here, but not impossible if they interacted while both were learning to become managers that he might tell Sverre something like "I had a good impression of him when we were learning together, he seems genuine"

Or opposite if he seemed like an asshole, "the smiling in the media is fake".
 
Turns into an absolute superstar on Football Manager, that'll do for me. Get him signed!
 
izec said:
To me, it would make no sense to buy him now for our first team.

I think he should go a similar path as Odegaard, just that we would keep him for our first team. I would buy him now and keep him in Norway for the rest of the season. Then let him join us next summer, let him train with the first team and pre season with us, maybe some league cup and u21 games for half a season. Then i would loan him out in winter to the Eredivisie and assess again next season. Then maybe another loan to a stronger league. Yes, the first 2-3 years would be more development and a couple of loans, but i think it is the only way of him getting game time and progressing. He will be too good for the reserves, but not good enough for the first team yet.
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The Norwegian League has only two rounds left to go before the season is over. Then starts back up usually at the end of March (22.03 next year). They go on holiday now and only play friendlies until then unless any of the teams are still competing in Europe.

That's why he's going on a tour to visit European teams now in December, since he's not needed at Rosenborg until next season.

It's why players from Norwegian (and Swedish) teams more often move in January (like Haaland did from Molde).

But yeah, sometimes they are told to stay until the summer, even if that means leaving midseason. If they are young enough to join the academy the might come straight away though.
Potentially there could be a deal where we buy him now, loan him to Rosenborg for the next full season, and he comes to Carrington in December next year. Then maybe another half season loan in January to a EFL team if hes not ready to play.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
Especially if you consider you can arguably gamble on around 4/5 of these players early before you even reach those kinds of fees if you do it early enough.
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Yep. People will complain some at the time but with the market how it is today it's just smarter in general to be willing to shell out "bigger" fees for top teenage talents that haven't gone to a Brighton yet instead of waiting for them to be "proven" and dropping a full summer's budget on one and praying.
 
izec said:
To me, it would make no sense to buy him now for our first team.

I think he should go a similar path as Odegaard, just that we would keep him for our first team. I would buy him now and keep him in Norway for the rest of the season. Then let him join us next summer, let him train with the first team and pre season with us, maybe some league cup and u21 games for half a season. Then i would loan him out in winter to the Eredivisie and assess again next season. Then maybe another loan to a stronger league. Yes, the first 2-3 years would be more development and a couple of loans, but i think it is the only way of him getting game time and progressing. He will be too good for the reserves, but not good enough for the first team yet.
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Interestingly enough, OGC Nice have been playing lots of 3—4—3 football under new manager Franck Haise (who previously implemented a similar system at Lens).
"We quickly noticed Franck Haise's touch. On the pitch, right from the first friendly matches, he implemented the same tactics used at Lens in recent seasons, the 343 formation with defenders given considerable freedom to join the midfield, as well as wingers providing plenty of crosses... These are things we saw little of at Nice in recent years, even the intensity in pressing and vertical play. It starkly contrasts with Francesco Farioli's game from last season, and it has been well received here at Nice," Bacquié explained.
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OGC Nice-PSG - "Nice's Weakness? For Now, It's Their Three-Man Defence" - France Bleu
The 3-4-3 and 3-4-2-1 that Lens implement are similar, as the two formations can rotate simultaneously between each other throughout the same match. The two free-roaming number 10s support the play out wide when Lens attack through the wide areas, making it look like a 3-4-3, but they can also position themselves centrally to support the play through the middle of the pitch which makes the formation look like a 3-4-2-1
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Lens 2022/23: How Franck Haise’s side are once again competing for the European places in Ligue 1 – scout report

Wonder if there's more to it than meets the eye, as some of these potential signings (Nypan, Mastantuono et cetera) who might be too good play with the reserves, could be strategically developed in the Ligue 1 environment in a tactical framework that is not too dissimilar to what Rúben Amorim is expected to employ at Manchester United.

RB Salzburg and RB Leipzig used to have this type of arrangement where the style of football was in alignment (thanks to the influence of a certain Ralf Rangnick!) with Upamecano, Szoboszlai, Šeško, Keïta, Gulácsi, Laimer, Hiadara et cetera graduating from the former to the latter. If RB Leipzig were an “elite club”, they could have even signed the likes of Håland and Mané from RB Salzburg.
 
Andersonson said:
Hei plays for my club in Trondheim, Rosenborg. Seen all of his games, a good player in the norwegian league. Will be very surprised if he can handle the premier league, but he is a good player, can shoot and good close controll. His tempo is far from top european standard as of now, but its exciting
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I only saw his youtube highlights but his long range passing and switchinf of play looks superb. Is that due to the tempo of the league or his own ability?
 
Shaw's Shank Redemption said:
I only saw his youtube highlights but his long range passing and switchinf of play looks superb. Is that due to the tempo of the league or his own ability?
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Difficult to say, he is young so he might adapt to a higher intensity game, but his long passing isnt what he is known for. He has the odd good long range pass, but its not something he does often. He is most likely to leave during the winter, will be interesting to see where
 
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