Stuart Pearson/MUTV

Livvie

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Should Stuart

a) tone down his criticism.

b) carry on as usual

c) refuse to go on the show if he can't say exactly what he wants.
 
I think Stuart should register on the caf, join the muppets and face the wrath of our livvie.

Come on Stuart, come and have a go if you think you're muppet enough.
 
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>I think Stuart should register on the caf, join the muppets and face the wrath of our livvie.

Come on Stuart, come and have a go if you think you're muppet enough.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Wrong again Dans. I think Stuart Pearson talks a lot of sense.

But then my mistake is thinking that the manager should take some responsibility for the current situation, and not continually blame the players.

And I'm not against criticism, just hysteria and nonsensical ramblings. (Why I don't read your posts really). ;)
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Ive never heard the fecker but apparently

a) he doesnt like Veron
b) he thinks the 451 is the root of our problem

so obviously he

a) doesnt have a clue ;)
b) isnt my type of guy

Fergie is right to defend his players, if some clown is Blambing Veron for our form then Fergie should attack him, whether hes employed by us or, the Mirror or whoever.
 
Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>Ive never heard the fecker but apparently

a) he doesnt like Veron
b) he thinks the 451 is the root of our problem

so obviously he

a) doesnt have a clue ;)
b) isnt my type of guy

Fergie is right to defend his players, if some clown is Blambing Veron for our form then Fergie should attack him, whether hes employed by us or, the Mirror or whoever.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Murt, Stuart Pearson is a United legend. He knows his stuff. He certainly isn't a clown.
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Stuart Pearson has a right to his opinion, same as Fergy has a right to his. I expect the manager to defend his players but he must be open to criticism, after all there may be something to learn. If SAF does have a fault it is his reluctance to listen and take on board the views of other proffesionals, Pancho is a Red and I think he has something to say that may be a little nearer the truth than the management team are prepared to accept.
 
I don't think I'd class Stuart Pearson as a United legend, not by a very long shot.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>Murt, Stuart Pearson is a United legend. He knows his stuff. He certainly isn't a clown.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If he thinks the 451 is the cause of our problems (despite the fact weve only lost 2 of 11 games with it) then he is a clown imo.
He also said something about the Derby match the worst performance ever, or in 10 yrs or something, whatever it was it was also an overstatement.
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Originally posted by Murt:
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If he thinks the 451 is the cause of our problems (despite the fact weve only lost 2 of 11 games with it) then he is a clown imo.
He also said something about the Derby match the worst performance ever, or in 10 yrs or something, whatever it was it was also an overstatement.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Then again I think you're a clown, you're about the only person who thinks 4-5-1 isn't a major cause of our problems, and Pearson was only speaking what almost everyone else thinks anyway. The derby performance was an utter disgrace, and the players know it.
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Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>I don't think I'd class Stuart Pearson as a United legend, not by a very long shot.</strong><hr></blockquote>

In fact I know I bloody wouldn't.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Then again I think you're a clown, you're about the only person who thinks 4-5-1 isn't a major cause of our problems, and Pearson was only speaking what almost everyone else thinks anyway. The derby performance was an utter disgrace, and the players know it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Jaysus, you thought i was a policeman last week, a clown this week. I cant wait for next weeks assesment :rolleyes:

theirs one or two others about btw,
Theirs no arguement with 451, 2 out of 11 losses is not a coincidence.
If the city performance was the worst in 10 yrs what were the Newcastle and Chelsea hammerings a few yrs back? Or the recent 2 losses @ home to Bolton, or the FA cup game at boro last seasonetc, etc, etc?
If have to see Pearson sounds like a run of the mill hack and reads the papers to see what our problems are ie the expensive evil south americans, a change in formation.

Ive never seen him though so i cant really be the judge of him
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Originally posted by Murt:
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Jaysus, you thought i was a policeman last week, a clown this week. I cant wait for next weeks assesment :rolleyes:

theirs one or two others about btw,
Theirs no arguement with 451, 2 out of 11 losses is not a coincidence.
If the city performance was the worst in 10 yrs what were the Newcastle and Chelsea hammerings a few yrs back? Or the recent 2 losses @ home to Bolton, or the FA cup game at boro last seasonetc, etc, etc?
If have to see Pearson sounds like a run of the mill hack and reads the papers to see what our problems are ie the expensive evil south americans, a change in formation.

Ive never seen him though so i cant really be the judge of him</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm pissed, so I'm probably being offensive, even though I actually like you however deluded you are. ;) You're great at describing the formation as 4-4-2 even if its only that for the last 10 minutes, and inventing statistics that only you believe, but I guess someone has to support Alex's idea. Just a shame the players seem unhappy in it, and totally clueless as to how to make the most of it. Pearson might not be our greatest player, but he's still a scorer in an FA Cup, and deserves respect, as do his views. What he said was just a bit more up-front than what everyone else on MUTV has said, ex-players or ex-managers. Sometimes Alex is wrong. It just doesn't happen very often. :D
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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You're great at describing the formation as 4-4-2 even if its only that for the last 10 minutes, and inventing statistics that only you believe, but I guess someone has to support Alex's idea. Just a shame the players seem unhappy in it, and totally clueless as to how to make the most of it. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Like i allways say, i cant really say whats wrong with us but i have strong opinions on what isnt wrong.
Pearson just seems to be coming up with the same rubbish as everyone else, if hes going to be on TV he should be able to do better than that.
If Fergie thinks hes wrong and thinks his attitude is affecting his players he should do all in his power to stop it.
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Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>

Like i allways say, i cant really say whats wrong with us but i have strong opinions on what isnt wrong.
Pearson just seems to be coming up with the same rubbish as everyone else, if hes going to be on TV he should be able to do better than that.
If Fergie thinks hes wrong and thinks his attitude is affecting his players he should do all in his power to stop it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
On the one hand he says we should be let in to tell the players what we think, and on the other he isn't happy if even an ex-player speaks his mind about it - in far less critical terms than we have done.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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On the one hand he says we should be let in to tell the players what we think, and on the other he isn't happy if even an ex-player speaks his mind about it - in far less critical terms than we have done.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Good point but its more than just the Derby game comment that has upset him i presume.
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Murt, Stuart Pearson is a United legend. He knows his stuff. He certainly isn't a clown.

I'll go along with that. How long have you supported United Murt?
 
Originally posted by Murt:
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If he thinks the 451 is the cause of our problems (despite the fact weve only lost 2 of 11 games with it) then he is a clown imo.
He also said something about the Derby match the worst performance ever, or in 10 yrs or something, whatever it was it was also an overstatement.</strong><hr></blockquote>

We have only lost 2 of 11 games starting with the 4-5-1, but how many of those games that we either snatched a draw or a victory in the last 20 mins were done with 4-4-2 formation, watch reruns of A Villa, Charlton, Southampton etc
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Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>I don't think I'd class Stuart Pearson as a United legend, not by a very long shot.</strong><hr></blockquote>

He certainly was after about 20 mins of that 1977 FA Cup Final against pool. A bit before your time I would think !
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Originally posted by Julian Denny:
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He certainly was after about 20 mins of that 1977 FA Cup Final against pool. A bit before your time I would think !</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oooooo you might be wrong there, still I wouldn't class him as a legend. I think we had this legend debate once before........what's a legend?
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Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>

Oooooo you might be wrong there, still I wouldn't class him as a legend. I think we had this legend debate once before........what's a legend?</strong><hr></blockquote>

In the broader context I would rate Stuart as a legend. Not in the Law Best Charlton Edwards Cantona category perhaps but nevertheless a legend. Did wonderfully well for us during those dark second division days and the following few seasons when we were back in the First Div and of course that never to be forgotten goal at Wembley. Went on to play for England on the strength of those performances. I think he would be included in one of those composite legend posters that come out from time to time. More pertinently, I think he should be allowed to say what he thinks on MUTV, no matter how painfull his remarks may be to some.
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Originally posted by Julian Denny:
<strong>

In the broader context I would rate Stuart as a legend. Not in the Law Best Charlton Edwards Cantona category perhaps but nevertheless a legend. Did wonderfully well for us during those dark second division days and the following few seasons when we were back in the First Div and of course that never to be forgotten goal at Wembley. Went on to play for England on the strength of those performances. I think he would be included in one of those composite legend posters that come out from time to time. More pertinently, I think he should be allowed to say what he thinks on MUTV, no matter how painfull his remarks may be to some.</strong><hr></blockquote>


A demi-legend then?
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If i was naming United favourites of my time then Stuart would get a mention.

Was it Pancho who skillfuly skimmed it off Macaris chest in that final?
 
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>

. I think we had this legend debate once before........what's a legend?</strong><hr></blockquote>

A foot?

Mini legend then - the memory of his goal against Liverpool lives on thru the years - that's why my son is called Stuart.

And the arguments about the formation will run and run....I think it's necessary to be able to play 4-5-1, 4-4-1-1, and 4-4-2, in order to be flexible. Fergie's mistake imo is using the lone striker in just about every game, when a 4-4-2 would be more suitable.

And why do supporters of it totally ignore the fact that our best run last year was with 4-4-2!! And let's not forget that in the middle of that run, we reverted to a lone striker against Liverpool, and lost.

But going back to Stuart Pearson - not only does he speak his mind, but he gets shit loads of calls supporting his views.

I would love to see a poll of all United supporters to see which system they prefer.
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Originally posted by 26 may 1999:
<strong>If i was naming United favourites of my time then Stuart would get a mention.

Was it Pancho who skillfuly skimmed it off Macaris chest in that final?</strong><hr></blockquote>

No, that was Jimmy Greenough
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Greenhoff. <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" />
 
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Greenhoff. <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Quite right, shows it may not have been before your time after all ! I was thinking of the spelling of the name of a certain Lancashire spin bowler of slightly earlier vintage !
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Getting back to the original thread....

I was so incensed when I read in the Daily Mail that MUtv would not use Pearson again and that Fergie would not allow his players to talk to MUtv, that I blasted off an Email to MUtv saying that if this was true I and all my mates would cancel our subscription to MUtv forthwith!
I got a reply back within two hours saying that the Mail article was rubbish and that MUtv valued it's independence and that there was no question of Pancho being banned or of Fergie being allowed to stop his mplayers ccontributing. It was signed by head of Program Controller's Dept MUtv!

They obviously had the shits over the article!
 
Originally posted by Red Pat:
<strong>Getting back to the original thread....

I was so incensed when I read in the Daily Mail that MUtv would not use Pearson again and that Fergie would not allow his players to talk to MUtv, that I blasted off an Email to MUtv saying that if this was true I and all my mates would cancel our subscription to MUtv forthwith!
I got a reply back within two hours saying that the Mail article was rubbish and that MUtv valued it's independence and that there was no question of Pancho being banned or of Fergie being allowed to stop his mplayers ccontributing. It was signed by head of Program Controller's Dept MUtv!

They obviously had the shits over the article!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Good, but where did the mail get the story from ?
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Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>

If he thinks the 451 is the cause of our problems (despite the fact weve only lost 2 of 11 games with it) then he is a clown imo.
He also said something about the Derby match the worst performance ever, or in 10 yrs or something, whatever it was it was also an overstatement.</strong><hr></blockquote>

the problem of 4-5-1 in not in the defence IMO.. it's in the attack. we hardly lose games now and look very solid in defence, but the quality of the attacking game has gone down considerably it's scary.

we don't create chances enough, don't finish them enough, and no longer utilize the whole field with our wings not operating on the wings.

i agree with you to some extent murt, 4-5-1 is not all the problems, but it's HALF the problem because we don't get it going well in attack, but do well in defence.
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RVN is not suited to 4 5 1. So it's a major problem. He needs to play off someone eg Ole. Isn't that obvious to everyone ?
 
Originally posted by Julian Denny:
<strong>RVN is not suited to 4 5 1. So it's a major problem. He needs to play off someone eg Ole. Isn't that obvious to everyone ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

it's quite obvious to a lot of us, except for Murt a few more apparently.

but didn't RVN said himself that he likes to play alone up front?

i remember one game i watched of the Dutch games where the coach (last year, who was the coach?) put kluivert behind RVN. that tactic costed them the qualification into WC. i'd hate to see us not win anything because of the same problem.
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Originally posted by RUnited:
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but didn't RVN said himself that he likes to play alone up front?

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Ruud said he didn't mind playing up front alone. But that was because he was asked outright and couldn't say anything else.

Maybe if he had Teddy or Eric behind him he'd like it a lot more. But he looked a whole lot happier last season when he got a partner.
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Originally posted by SOCALRED:
<strong>Murt, Stuart Pearson is a United legend. He knows his stuff. He certainly isn't a clown.
I'll go along with that. How long have you supported United Murt?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Since i was 3 or 4 yrs old in 1980,

I havnt questioned his status as a legend, just his status as a football pundit.
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Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
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We have only lost 2 of 11 games starting with the 4-5-1, but how many of those games that we either snatched a draw or a victory in the last 20 mins were done with 4-4-2 formation, watch reruns of A Villa, Charlton, Southampton etc</strong><hr></blockquote>

exactly, the essence of 451 is options, remember the everton game, started with 451,, and then when we needed the xtra gear we had it. Against Bolton we had nothing.
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Originally posted by Murt:
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exactly, the essence of 451 is options, remember the everton game, started with 451,, and then when we needed the xtra gear we had it. Against Bolton we had nothing.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'd prefer to start with the extra gear and have the option to revert to 4-5-1 to protect a lead rather than have to chase it.
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STUART PEARSON VINDICATED.

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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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I'd prefer to start with the extra gear and have the option to revert to 4-5-1 to protect a lead rather than have to chase it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

But what do you do when were struggling, like in the Bolton game?
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