Stop this guy from using foul language

hardyboy

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Can administrators do something to this guy WeasteDevil? He's disturbing my thread and using foul-language. He's not living up to the spirit of a debate & a discussion.

I can understand people who feel strongly about certain things because I do. But using foul language in this forum is not acceptable. There might be kids reading this forum.
 
fecking hell.

You do realise how much of a little bitchy cnut you sound?
 
hardyboy said:
Can administrators do something to this guy WeasteDevil? He's disturbing my thread and using foul-language. He's not living up to the spirit of a debate & a discussion.
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feck is a bad word, it can seriosly harm people who are stupid enough to take issue with something so fecking stupid
 
hardyboy said:
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Can administrators do something to this guy WeasteDevil? He's disturbing my thread and using foul-language. He's not living up to the spirit of a debate & a discussion.
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We could, but at the end of the day your thread was disturbing enough without Weastie's bad language. The simple fact is that Weastie is an old hand on the forum who has more than ably demonstrated that he knows more about United and about football in general than the vast majority of kids, Championship Manager fans and muppets we get on these forums, while as you rightly point out, we don't know you from Adam other than such little snippets as you have replica shirts with Giggs & Keane on the back and that you think we should sell them now.

You say Weastie's not living up to the spirit of debate and discussion but given that you flatly refuse to accept antone elses arguments in your thread and continue to spout the same "sack Fergie sell Giggs" type crap we've been hearing from the forums muppets over the last few years, it's hardly surprising that the debate has died.

IMO Weastie is the type of poster we need more of around here, someone who gives a feck and doesn't mind saying so.

Funnily enough the first post I can see in the whole ridiculous thread which treads into territory for which we have banned people in the past is this one:

Where do you come from? Need to send some bombs there without being detected. Either that or I bring my whole platoon there to mortar bomb your whole area. Or I could ask my sniper to wait till you leave the house. Or I could call for air support to flatten the ground where you live. I'm a platoon commander of the Royal Infantry Regimen. I've got a plattoon of 28 well-trained infantry men and commandos. Don't piss me off.... :mad:
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Do I need to point out who posted that particular tirade or would you care to apologise to Uncle Weastie now and forget this whole farago.

I can understand people who feel strongly about certain things because I do. But using foul language in this forum is not acceptable. There might be kids reading this forum.
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Who are you to say what is acceptable or not on the forum, take a look around and you'll see that foul language is widely used and unless it degenerates into personal abuse is normally tolerated. If people are easily offended by bad language then maybe an internet forum is not the place for them, I certainly make sure my 12 year old daughter is not allowed on forums or chat rooms.

We're not about to start policing the forum for the sake of protecting children, that is a parents job. We are aware that there are kids on here and know it's a problem by the deteriorating quality of the posts in the forum. If you'd care to help out by pointing out the kids when you see them, then we can weed them out and hopefully improve the quality of the forum while helping protect them from such corrupting influences as bad language.
 
Bury Red said:
We could, but at the end of the day your thread was disturbing enough without Weastie's bad language. The simple fact is that Weastie is an old hand on the forum who has more than ably demonstrated that he knows more about United and about football in general than the vast majority of kids, Championship Manager fans and muppets we get on these forums, while as you rightly point out, we don't know you from Adam other than such little snippets as you have replica shirts with Giggs & Keane on the back and that you think we should sell them now.

You say Weastie's not living up to the spirit of debate and discussion but given that you flatly refuse to accept antone elses arguments in your thread and continue to spout the same "sack Fergie sell Giggs" type crap we've been hearing from the forums muppets over the last few years, it's hardly surprising that the debate has died.

IMO Weastie is the type of poster we need more of around here, someone who gives a feck and doesn't mind saying so.

Funnily enough the first post I can see in the whole ridiculous thread which treads into territory for which we have banned people in the past is this one:



Do I need to point out who posted that particular tirade or would you care to apologise to Uncle Weastie now and forget this whole farago.



Who are you to say what is acceptable or not on the forum, take a look around and you'll see that foul language is widely used and unless it degenerates into personal abuse is normally tolerated. If people are easily offended by bad language then maybe an internet forum is not the place for them, I certainly make sure my 12 year old daughter is not allowed on forums or chat rooms.

We're not about to start policing the forum for the sake of protecting children, that is a parents job. We are aware that there are kids on here and know it's a problem by the deteriorating quality of the posts in the forum. If you'd care to help out by pointing out the kids when you see them, then we can weed them out and hopefully improve the quality of the forum while helping protect them from such corrupting influences as bad language.
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Sometimes, just sometimes you might want to consider how many posters feel like leaving this forum because you back up someone like Weaste and berate the other party when clearly both were at fault. Simply having some knowledge about football and taking part in this forum for a couple of years shouldn't make someone imune from criticism.
I have seen Weaste lay into a few on here , usually posters who have only recently joined. I was on the receiving end myself and dealt with it in my own way.

Look I'm no prude - I work in a fairly cut throat area of law in remote Australia where my clients use the word cnut every sentence. Hell I use the word but it doesn't necessarily make this forum any more attractive particularly when a poster uses it in the absence of a reasoned argument.

You are absolutely correct to come down on HardyBoy for his threats about bombs etc which was utterly pathetic. Also I am not actually having a go at Weaste here although he may interpret it that way - the guy does have a good footballing knowledge and I do enjoy some of his input.

However when someone raises an issue about an established member like Weaste your one sided response does not serve this forum well.
 
Using language to illustrate banter is a common form of expression, both in the real world, as well as in the virtual world of internet forums. This forum is not for kids.
 
EricVanCoppell said:
I have seen Weaste lay into a few on here , usually posters who have only recently joined. I was on the receiving end myself and dealt with it in my own way.
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I don't do it lightly!

But yes, I will do it. And not just to recent members. I do it to, for example, Stan also, who is also quite clueless on certain things, as am I.
 
Raoul said:
Using language to illustrate banter is a common form of expression, both in the real world, as well as in the virtual world of internet forums. This forum is not for kids.
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Sure but I don't think the complaint raised by Hardyboy was about a bit of banter.

I tend to the view increasingly that this forum IS for kids.

Anyone who expresses an opinion such as "sell Keane" is told by the moderators something along the lines of "naughty boy - you can't say things like that". This despite the fact that the player himself has said in an interview that he has not been up to it of late. This also from a club captain who makes increasingly spasmodic appearances.

This is probably the lkind of atmosphere that exists at OT these days. Anyone who dares to challenge the establishment is berated or given his marching orders. Not a healty state of affairs.

TBH it is more likely for a child in everyday life to resort to expletives for lack of anything intelligent or worthwhile to say. The use of "cnut" per se doesn't faze me in the slightest - when it is used because the other party to an argument is saying something you don't happen to like , then perhaps that is where it becomes undesirable. Bury's defence of this only serves to lower the standard of debate on this forum.

I've stuck my neck out pretty far on this one and as with most other people on here who say soemthing remotely controversial I await the stampede of abuse. So be it. In my "real" life I will say what I think if there is an injustice. I see one on this ocassion and find that it sticks in the throat.
 
EricVanCoppell said:
I tend to the view increasingly that this forum IS for kids.
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This may appear to be the case as of late, but I don't think it will be the case in the future. This forum is ultimately for adults. A few kids here and there and there shouldn't be any problems. Fill it up with young muppets and the problems arise. In any case, anyone who complains that there shouldn't be any language because kids might be offended may not be in the right place.
 
WeasteDevil said:
I don't do it lightly!

But yes, I will do it. And not just to recent members. I do it to, for example, Stan also, who is also quite clueless on certain things, as am I.
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Mate I have no gripe with you. My knowledge of say, Spanish football is total bollox - you seem to know it back to front. I enjoy your views on say, Baraja. Also I don't give a toss if someone has a go at me - I'll give it back just as much.
Just on this ocassion I did feel that (as does happen alot on here) a member was raising an argument that he knew would be unpopular, yet despite his back against the wall and on the recieving end, actually stuck to his argument pretty well. My feeling was that on this ocassion he was saying stuff had at least some merit and definitely didn't warrant calling him a cnut. Thought the moderators might at least judge this a tiff of "handbags at 5 paces" proportions and give both of you a slap.
 
I agree with Bury.

We have debated this point many times in the mod forum and the only way to moderate the language (which does get a bit much sometimes) is to turn the language filter on which stars out swear words. All this does is make people swear in text language or use odd letters or spacing. Self restaint doesn't work and as Raoul says this place isn't for kids.

The language is nowhere as bad as you would here on the terraces.
 
EricVanCoppell said:
Thought the moderators might at least judge this a tiff of "handbags at 5 paces" proportions and give both of you a slap.
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Death threats or overt racism will get you a ban. After that it all gets a bit grey.

Handbags are generally OK
 
EricVanCoppell said:
Mate I have no gripe with you. My knowledge of say, Spanish football is total bollox - you seem to know it back to front. I enjoy your views on say, Baraja. Also I don't give a toss if someone has a go at me - I'll give it back just as much.
Just on this ocassion I did feel that (as does happen alot on here) a member was raising an argument that he knew would be unpopular, yet despite his back against the wall and on the recieving end, actually stuck to his argument pretty well. My feeling was that on this ocassion he was saying stuff had at least some merit and definitely didn't warrant calling him a cnut. Thought the moderators might at least judge this a tiff of "handbags at 5 paces" proportions and give both of you a slap.
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I'm sorry, but he just got to me!

He went on for three pages, totally against sense, totally against reason, agreed with what I first said and then kept babbling. He didn't keep to his argument, because he nevr made one in the first place. He said that Keane and Giggs were not good enough, which is total nonsense, they are good enough to be part of our club. They might not quite be what they were, but he refuses to accept that football is more than what happens on the playing field. Many posters tried to convince him otherwise, yet he did not once give any reasonable argument as to why we should not retain these players, players that are actually worth very little in the transfer market, and are far more valuable staying with us than being sold on.

He is also toally disrespectful towards the two said players in sugesting that we should discard them like rubbish just because he didn't get to swan around whatever town he is in with his Vodafone shirt on saying how great he is that he supports the champions of England.

It makes me puke TBH.
 
And I'm the idiot that has been saying that Keane needs replacing for well over a year now.

I'm the idiot that actually said sell Giggs over two years ago. :wenger:
 
Wibble said:
Death threats or overt racism will get you a ban. After that it all gets a bit grey.

Handbags are generally OK
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(Just so that at least I know in future), are forum members going to be frowned upon by moderators simply for expressing a view such as "sell Keane"? I have noticed a couple of members complain to you mods after a run in such as the one we are now discussing. The net result seems to be that the moderators will come down on anyone who dares to question what direction the club is going in. I made the point above that people are scared of rocking the boat at OT and it is widely known that Fergie rules with an iron rod. As with most organisations that could well be his downfall as there have been few people prepared to question him. Infact anyone who has stood up to him has been shown the door - Ince, Beckham and Kidd spring to mind.

I'd like to think that the atmosphere at OT isn't really like that but this is the picture that comes across. So let's at least allow some free debate on here!!

As moderators , wouldn';t it be refreshing if ocassionally you gave someone a bollocking for staring blindly into the void and assuming that all is rosy in the garden. The posters who spout in a mantra like fashion "in Fergie we trust" are displaying more muppet like tendancies than the ones who dare to question Fergies methods . It is glaringly obvious to most of the football world that United are in their worst state for over a decade. Let's at least encourage some healthy discussion and (sometimes) criticism rather than trying to supress it hey?
 
WeasteDevil said:
And I'm the idiot that has been saying that Keane needs replacing for well over a year now.

I'm the idiot that actually said sell Giggs over two years ago. :wenger:
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I know

Don't worry though Baraja, Gerrard, Joquain and Vicente have I hear just signed for us :D
 
EricVanCoppell said:
(Just so that at least I know in future), are forum members going to be frowned upon by moderators simply for expressing a view such as "sell Keane"? I have noticed a couple of members complain to you mods after a run in such as the one we are now discussing. The net result seems to be that the moderators will come down on anyone who dares to question what direction the club is going in. I made the point above that people are scared of rocking the boat at OT and it is widely known that Fergie rules with an iron rod. As with most organisations that could well be his downfall as there have been few people prepared to question him. Infact anyone who has stood up to him has been shown the door - Ince, Beckham and Kidd spring to mind.

I'd like to think that the atmosphere at OT isn't really like that but this is the picture that comes across. So let's at least allow some free debate on here!!

As moderators , wouldn';t it be refreshing if ocassionally you gave someone a bollocking for staring blindly into the void and assuming that all is rosy in the garden. The posters who spout in a mantra like fashion "in Fergie we trust" are displaying more muppet like tendancies than the ones who dare to question Fergies methods . It is glaringly obvious to most of the football world that United are in their worst state for over a decade. Let's at least encourage some healthy discussion and (sometimes) criticism rather than trying to supress it hey?
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That's nonsense!

It's the wimps that come in here who ask for Keane to be sold that cant hack the responses they get, aka this thread.

As for Beckham, let me give you an example, you might actually still be able to find the thread. I was one of the first that said get rid, and at the time Raoul (a manager not a mod) was totally against it. We didn't need to get abusive against it, and it didn't come into this forum because it didn't exist.
 
WeasteDevil said:
That's nonsense!

It's the wimps that come in here who ask for Keane to be sold that cant hack the responses they get, aka this thread.

As for Beckham, let me give you an example, you might actually still be able to find the thread. I was one of the first that said get rid, and at the time Raoul (a manager not a mod) was totally against it. We didn't need to get abusive against it, and it didn't come into this forum because it didn't exist.
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Looks like Raoul was proved right ;)

In any event although I hear you mate,but I would still like the Mod's comments on my last post.
 
EricVanCoppell said:
(Just so that at least I know in future), are forum members going to be frowned upon by moderators simply for expressing a view such as "sell Keane"? I have noticed a couple of members complain to you mods after a run in such as the one we are now discussing. The net result seems to be that the moderators will come down on anyone who dares to question what direction the club is going in. I made the point above that people are scared of rocking the boat at OT and it is widely known that Fergie rules with an iron rod. As with most organisations that could well be his downfall as there have been few people prepared to question him. Infact anyone who has stood up to him has been shown the door - Ince, Beckham and Kidd spring to mind.

I'd like to think that the atmosphere at OT isn't really like that but this is the picture that comes across. So let's at least allow some free debate on here!!

There is very free debate on here. It is perfectly fine to have an opinion and express it but there is such a huge wave of CM buy/sell bullshit that we, like most long term United fans, find it both irritating and embarrasing.

As moderators , wouldn';t it be refreshing if ocassionally you gave someone a bollocking for staring blindly into the void and assuming that all is rosy in the garden. The posters who spout in a mantra like fashion "in Fergie we trust" are displaying more muppet like tendancies than the ones who dare to question Fergies methods . It is glaringly obvious to most of the football world that United are in their worst state for over a decade. Let's at least encourage some healthy discussion and (sometimes) criticism rather than trying to supress it hey?
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I'm all for blindly staring into the void. I remember standing in the scoreboard when we went down to the second division. It was the final whistle before I believed we were doomed (despite radio news of results elswhere). A bit of blind faith would be very welcome TBH.

And most of us are quite well aware of United's shortcomings this season. We just find the panicky buy and sell bullshit that seems to swamp the place very very silly indeed. We don't supress it but we do cull/merge the worst excesses. There is however enough deritus left to go around ;)
 
EricVanCoppell said:
Looks like Raoul was proved right ;)

In any event although I hear you mate,but I would still like the Mod's comments on my last post.
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Mods as far as I know do not interfere with opinion at all. They have their own personal opinions of course, but they do not react against someone on opinion alone.
 
Wibble said:
I'm all for blindly staring into the void. I remember standing in the scoreboard when we went down to the second division. It was the final whistle before I believed we were doomed (despite radio news of results elswhere). A bit of blind faith would be very welcome TBH.

And most of us are quite well aware of United's shortcomings this season. We just find the panicky buy and sell bullshit that seems to swamp the place very very silly indeed. We don't supress it but we do cull/merge the worst excesses. There is however enough deritus left to go around ;)
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Yep, all this buy / sell bollox is annoying after you've heard the same crap day in day out.

However I'm not so sure I relish staring into the void if it means kissing goodbye to the kind of football we have been spoilt with over the last few years!
I remember having the piss taken big time by my mates whilst I was at Uni in Lancaster in the mid eighties and witnessed United squander a massive lead - ( they won their first 10 games I believe in 1986 only to finish 4th under Big Ron).

What genuine joy it was to see us break our title taboo when it finally came. More so how good was it to see us play out of our skins to come back against Juve or the time when we caned Ipswich 9-0?!

I have faith in SAF as the man to steer us through the coming season. However I feel we may be heading for many years of mediocrity if the present slump continues. Personally I prefer to see us playing exciting football , win, lose or draw - and that I believe is the United way.
 
Couldn't agree more. I was simply saying that knee jerk reactions would be tempered by a bit of blind faith. Balance things out a bit maybe.

And don't remind me about 86 :mad:
 
Eric, I generally don't get involved where peoples opinions are concerned and don't believe it is the mods duty to dictate what opinions are or aren't right on the forum. Hell even the mods don't all see eye to eye, Marching's a Leeds fan for a start and Livvie and I have differed in opinions on optimism and pessimism on plenty of occasions.

I personally agree with Weastie and a few others that the buy/sell panic tone of this place has been dragging the forum down over the past few years and know that there are at least 20 serious posters who have been on here for far longer than myself, and between them could compile an encyclopedia on United, who no longer venture onto the forum because they believe the place has gone so far down hill. I am more worried that we lose posters of this ilk than that a bit of language and a few well aimed jibes might scare off the younger element in here.

I will enter debates/arguments that interest me but the fact that I am a mod should have nothing to do with how people confront my opinion, ask lchk, Uranus, Devilish or countless others I have argued with at length in the past, my being a mod has nothing to do with the argument.

The fact that hardyboy saw fit to start a thread in the Admin/Mod Help Forum asking us to deal with Weastie brought it into Mod territory though and IMHO he was the first to step seriously out of line in that thread when it became apparent that he had little/no support for his peurile argument. Sure, I stand by the people I have known for a longer time to some extent but in this case what I posted above is my honest opinion (a defence hardyboy should appreciate).
 
An Extremely Boring Man said:
Just ban Weastie - he's a cnut :D
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I don't see why a mild mannered, seasoned caf poster like Weastie should have to put up with foul mouthed abuse like that. You're banned you cnut ;) :p
 
"Hardboy" (now how fecking gay does that sound)...

Have you ever fecking been to a fecking football match...

people swear all the fecking time about anyfeckingthing...

and when you go to the fecking pub after for a fecking pint and talk about the fecking match and who was fecking shit and how that fecking bastard ref was a fecking shit cnut motherfecker you fecking swear...

now fecking stick to being a bastard cnut and fecking watch the fecking match on the fecking telly... fecking better fecking still fecking turn the fecking sound fecking off incase you fecking hear the feckin chants

you fecking Devilish fecking cnut...
 
hardyboy said:
https://www.redcafe.net/showthread.php?t=47927&page=3

. He's not living up to the spirit of a debate & a discussion.
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Then welcome to Redcafe. You find everything IN here from foul language to the racist rants, but if you are searching for debate and discussion then you are in the wrong place

And BTW

Waeste is a magnificent poster when considered to AEBM and Ezee.
 
EZee said:
"Hardboy" (now how fecking gay does that sound)...

Have you ever fecking been to a fecking football match...

people swear all the fecking time about anyfeckingthing...

and when you go to the fecking pub after for a fecking pint and talk about the fecking match and who was fecking shit and how that fecking bastard ref was a fecking shit cnut motherfecker you fecking swear...

now fecking stick to being a bastard cnut and fecking watch the fecking match on the fecking telly... fecking better fecking still fecking turn the fecking sound fecking off incase you fecking hear the feckin chants

you fecking Devilish fecking cnut...
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fecking hell, that is a good fecking point
 
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