Should the yellow cards rules in tournament football change?

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  • Receiving two yellow cards in two different matches; yellow cards expire after the completion of the quarter-finals (yellow card suspensions are not carried forward to any other future international matches)


Is it ok the way it is or should there be any changes to it? I think a few Spanish players will miss the semi final as result of this. Should the yellow cards reset earlier, maybe after the group stage?

I'm pretty sure the current rule was brought in because Ballack missed the 2002 WC final with the old rule. But come to think of it what was the old rule? Was it 3 yellow cards result in a one game ban with no resets? Maybe some of you football nerds can help me out


 
The rules are clearly not fit for purpose as Spain demonstrate so well. Carvajal was already suspended for the semi final and could completely take out Musiala knowing there was zero difference between him being being sent off or not, which doesn't make sense and basicslly encouraged him to make that foul. There should be a rule to prevent such cynical actions in future. Being suspended for an extra game if you pick up a second yellow while already facing a suspension would nip that kind of brhaviour in the bud.

We also have the ridiculous situation whereby Rodri could end the tournament on 4 yellow cards from 5 games yet still play in the final, having only missed one game(a dead rubber). I get that we don't want big players missing finals, but if you're constantly making cynical challenges and picking up that many cards then you really deserve it.

The fact that you can't appeal against yellow cards also makes no sense when you have officials as incompetent as Michael Oliver potentially costing players a place in a semi final, as we nearly saw with Palhinha the other day.
 
Neil_Buchanan said:
Two is too many, it should be three and reset after the groups.
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I think it should be three as well, but resetting after the group stage means you can take a booking in every match for a dangerous tackle or a tactical foul without any consequences.

I think three and the cut being the same (after QF) would be the correct next step.
 
Let's make it more interesting. Instead of a suspension, you get a limit of 45 minutes for the next game. Teams then have to strategise whether to play that player during the first segment of the match or the end. If they run out of subs then they're fecked and have to play with 10 men.
 
Having to go so many games without picking two yellow cards is absurd because of the imbalanced matches and groups. You can have super tight games like Spain vs Germany where every inch is fought for and fouls are plenty, and then you can have lopsided games where one side has a lot of possession while the other just sits deeps and defends leading to much fewer altercations and fewer yellows. This is also another thing that incentivizes playing it extremely safe, so you don't end up missing key players in critical games.

It's bizarre something like this made it through. The yellows should be three or four and reset after groups or QFs.
 
top1whoisman said:
I think it should be three as well, but resetting after the group stage means you can take a booking in every match for a dangerous tackle or a tactical foul without any consequences.

I think three and the cut being the same (after QF) would be the correct next step.
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In that case 3 yellows in the groups should still mean a ban for the next match but the counter resets.
 
Telsim said:
Having to go so many games without picking two yellow cards is absurd because of the imbalanced matches and groups. You can have super tight games like Spain vs Germany where every inch is fought for and fouls are plenty, and then you can have lopsided games where one side has a lot of possession while the other just sits deeps and defends leading to much fewer altercations and fewer yellows. This is also another thing that incentivizes playing it extremely safe, so you don't end up missing key players in critical games.

It's bizarre something like this made it through. The yellows should be three or four and reset after groups or QFs.
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What’s more, there is no appeals process for yellows. I can’t remember who it was but in the Germany - Spain game, Michael Oliver inexplicably booked someone for an excellent tackle and he’s now missing the semifinal against France.

How is that in any way fair?
 
Any player who picks up 2 yellow cards in his last 3 games is suspended for the next match

A player that picks up 3 yellow cards throughout the tournament is suspended for an additional game

A straight red card is punishable by a 2 game ban

(A player who is issued a redcard by 2 yellow cards is not additionally punished, as the player will already be suspended via 2 or more yellow cards.)
 
Neil_Buchanan said:
In that case 3 yellows in the groups should still mean a ban for the next match but the counter resets.
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Yeah that’s not a bad idea.

To be fair they’ve already done changes to avoid suspensions for the final. Now the discussion is that it’s somehow unfair that players are missing semis. I get that we all want to see the best players in the biggest matches but there also has to be concequences for multiple bookings.

So if they would reset after group stage, do you agree that getting a yellow in both Ro16 and QF should result in a ban?
 
Probably should be 3 overall, with no resets. So if you're on 2 and get booked in the semi final to miss the final, tough. If you pick up 3 bookings in 6 games, you deserve to miss out.
 
It should be wiped after the Round 16, or it should be 3 yellow cards.

Two yellow cards in 5 games for a suspension is daft
 
Annihilate Now! said:
It should be wiped after the Round 16, or it should be 3 yellow cards.

Two yellow cards in 5 games for a suspension is daft
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In that case players could miss the final due to two bookings. That’s what they’ve decided to avoid with these rule changes.
 
Pexbo said:
What’s more, there is no appeals process for yellows. I can’t remember who it was but in the Germany - Spain game, Michael Oliver inexplicably booked someone for an excellent tackle and he’s now missing the semifinal against France.

How is that in any way fair?
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Bit harsh to blame Oliver for that considering he didn't even ref that game ;)
 
top1whoisman said:
In that case players could miss the final due to two bookings. That’s what they’ve decided to avoid with these rule changes.
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If you get two yellow cards in two games then fair enough.

I do also think you should be able to appeal yellow cards in case you get booked for a fair tackle or a dive (that wasn't a dive) or something like that.
 
I think it should be 2 yellow cards for 2 games in a row = 1 match ban.

so if you get booked, you just got to calm down for the next game
 
Vidyoyo said:
Let's make it more interesting. Instead of a suspension, you get a limit of 45 minutes for the next game. Teams then have to strategise whether to play that player during the first segment of the match or the end. If they run out of subs then they're fecked and have to play with 10 men.
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I was thinking something along the same lines, whilst being available for the next game you cannot start the match have to be a sub!
 
It's ridiculous and dated rule from the time when you actually had to commit terrible tackles to get yellows. 3 in 5 maybe, preferrably 3 in 4 and 4 in 6
 
It's the issuing of yellow cards in general that needs to be seriously looked at. The 'a booking for THAT' culture just keeps getting worse.
 
Even though I'm much more of a fan of attacking footballers rather than defensive ones, I'd probably be happy enough to see an end of suspensions due to bookings in different games.

Even in the league, I'd be happy enough to scrap the idea of so many bookings spread over potentially 9 months leading to missing games. But, especially, in cup competitions when it just needs 2 or 3 and you might end up missing later stage games.

Keep the suspensions for red cards, but I'm not particularly fond of bookings in separate games leading to a ban.
 
they book you nowadays just for saying you don’t want gender neutral toilets. need to increase it to three bookings minimum, four for players from more bigoted countries.
 
Players should play act less and follow the rules so they don't get booked.
 
Should be 3 minimum. And reset the counter at the semi stage.

You get a yellow card these days for sitting on the bench (Morata for Spain is suspended for this) so having such a low limit is far too restrictive for the players considering some of the refs.
 
It doesn't bother me massively, but 3 Bookings (or 2 Bookings in 2 successive Matches) that reset after Quarter Finals would seem fine to be as well.

Awarding of Yellow Cards could do with some consistency, but it's quite hard to police. Some referees really try to avoid giving out a card until after 20~ minutes when the game has settled. Some like to clamp it down early and set a precedent. Some allow more totting up than others in terms of 3-4 niggly fouls etc. Should this be right? Should teams really have to take into consideration the temperament of the official in charge?

While we're on the topic of Yellow Cards, I also do think there is still some discussion needed on the point of tactical fouls. Why are they just accepted with a Yellow Card as enough of a punishment? I just can't help but think of the theory that teams who play on the counter / transitional play are more punished than possession-based teams when all kinds of football are just as valid as each other. The thought of all your dangerous attacks being extinguished by tactical/professional fouls that could be taken in turns by 6, 7, 8 different players and you lose 1-0 really grinds my gears. I honestly don't think "it's part of the game" is valid excuse anymore, but whatever I suppose!
 
Bertie Wooster said:
Even though I'm much more of a fan of attacking footballers rather than defensive ones, I'd probably be happy enough to see an end of suspensions due to bookings in different games.

Even in the league, I'd be happy enough to scrap the idea of so many bookings spread over potentially 9 months leading to missing games. But, especially, in cup competitions when it just needs 2 or 3 and you might end up missing later stage games.

Keep the suspensions for red cards, but I'm not particularly fond of bookings in separate games leading to a ban.
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Agree with this, yellows a re dished out to easily nowadays and it is harsh on the player, fans and watching audience for a suspension for what could be two small offences in 3 games.
 
The rules seem absolutely fine. I don't think this would be a consideration for anybody if the officiating had been better.
 
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