Should the United rebuild look like Liverpool or more like what is needed at PSG?

fastwalker

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Many on the this forum seem to compare the United rebuild to Liverpool's under Jurgen Klopp c2015. They correctly cite that like Liverpool, United, one of Europe's biggest clubs, were in terminal decline. Like Liverpool back then, it has been years since United last won a trophy. Like the 2015 Liverpool team, United have wasted millions on dead-enders (remember the millions Liverpool's squandered on Any Carroll, Mario Balotelli and Christian Benteke?) United have done likewise only on a grander scale. Like Liverpool pre-Klopp, United have no discernible footballing philosophy or playing style. Like Liverpool, United have gone through a succession of managers, yet are are no closer to improving overall performances. We turn our attention to Liverpool, not just because of these similarities, but fundamentally because of how they have managed to fix things, arrest the slide and rediscover their position as one of the best clubs in Europe.

But is Liverpool the right comparison for United or should it be PSG? Like PSG, United are the highest payers in their league. Like PSG United have under-achieved relevant to the scale of their investment and expectation. Like PSG, at United, there are a group of high profile players, who clearly wield power and feel emboldened enough to undermine and intimidate the manager. Reading Ralf Rangnick's post match comments, following the Liverpool defeat, he seemed to go right to the heart of the issue - the players. Rangnick eviscerated the playing staff suggesting that: "six, seven eight maybe 10 new players" may need to be brought in. If so and assuming that he was not talking about first teamers, not squad players, that is a resounding vote of no confidence in the entire first team! For whatever reason these players have not responded to Rangnick, the supposed mentor of the very manager (Klopp) that we hope that Erik Ten Hag will emulate.

In terms of volume, United's rebuild may well have more similarities with Liverpool's, but on the actual points of distinction it may well have much more in common with what is required at PSG. What do you think?
 
Well no because the difference is PSG regularly win their own league, regularly make the CL knockouts and have arguably the best player in the world. World class attackers are the hardest players to sign, and they’re already set in that department. Us and Liverpool didn’t have that. Look how much better Liverpool instantly became after they signed Mane, despite their defence still being shite. If you can nail the right attackers that’s 70% of the job done.
 
Well no because the difference is PSG regularly win their own league, regularly make the CL knockouts and have arguably the best player in the world. World class attackers are the hardest players to sign, and they’re already set in that department. Us and Liverpool didn’t have that. Look how much better Liverpool instantly became after they signed Mane, despite their defence still being shite. If you can nail the right attackers that’s 70% of the job done.

Bit off topic, but I don't know about that. Mbappé is almost certainly gone in the summer. Neymar is getting older and is unreliable lately, and he doesn't strike me as a player who will age well. Messi appears to have reached the end. Icardi doesn't seem to get much done and he turns 30 next year. Unless they sign Haaland in the summer and/or manage to keep hold of Mbappé, I don't think PSG are set at all. If anything, they could be in a bit of trouble up front if Mbappé goes and Haaland chooses another club as well.
 
I don't really see the use of the PSG comparison. Liverpool's is a demonstrable rebuild. You can trace it from the start, through to the signs of recovery, to the teething issues, and through the transfers and footballing decisions.

PSG is a hypothetical rebuild. We've no idea what they're going to do. And chances are, they can fluff it up and still attain relative success domestically. We have 4-5 strong rivals to handle so how far can that be instructive? If PSG sign good players at a 50% success rate they'll probably waltz the league. We could sign 10 at 100% success rate and finish 4th or 5th quite plausibly.

Ultimately I think ETH has to be his own man. There's no point in modelling it on anyone else or using Liverpool as a prototype. He has to be a leader, and have his own convictions.
 
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