Should Tel trade in Rio?

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I reckon he should.

Rio's all the rage at the moment and they'll get a bucketful of cash at a time when they bloody need it. If they keep him they're going to have to weaken several other areas of the team and have little cash to sign new players..

If they sell Rio they have Radebe as a replacement, and also money to get in another decent CB...

This speculation has clearly got Rio thinking, his "I want to win to trophies" comment along with "If Leeds want to sell me" etc etc talk were the first indications that he'll be off soon anyway IMO..

If Leeds fail to make the CL this season then he's gonna go anyway...and its very possible that he will anyway..

I'd take the 30m if I was Tel...and even let the club have some of it.. ;)
 
The sheep want to raise money to pay off their debts. Selling Bowyer and Rio would net them about £40m. £20m of which could be applied to debt, and the remaining £20 could be applied to buying young players to replace those two. £20 would probably fetch them Dean Ashton, David Dunn, and Chris Riggott.
 
Leeds should strike while the irons hot. The same way as Liverpool should have tried to flog Owen for 50 million last Spring.
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>The sheep want to raise money to pay off their debts. Selling Bowyer and Rio would net them about £40m. £20m of which could be applied to debt, and the remaining £20 could be applied to buying young players to replace those two. £20 would probably fetch them Dean Ashton, David Dunn, and Chris Riggott.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Leeds 'need' to raise just £15m and can easily do that by selling Dacourt, who was always on the list to go, and Bowyer, who was not part of the initial list until he himself decided to leave and is therefore a bonus cash wise.

It was common knowledge that PR and DOL had a list of players they were willing to sell which they estimated would raise £22m - this extra cash for TV could come from Dubes, Wilcox, Harte, Kelly, McPhail, Martyn, Batty and Keane all moving on.
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It was common knowledge that PR and DOL had a list of players they were willing to sell which they estimated would raise £22m - this extra cash for TV could come from Dubes, Wilcox, Harte, Kelly, McPhail, Martyn, Batty and Keane all moving on.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Hence no team left.
Dacourt £15 MILLION <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
 
Originally posted by corelive:
<strong>It was common knowledge that PR and DOL had a list of players they were willing to sell which they estimated would raise £22m - this extra cash for TV could come from Dubes, Wilcox, Harte, Kelly, McPhail, Martyn, Batty and Keane all moving on.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hence no team left.
Dacourt £15 MILLION :confused: [/QB]
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If you took the time to see how many games some of those players actually played last season you might think differently. Leeds have signed a young keeper and it is only a matter of time until Martyn moves. Leeds will buy a replacement midfielder, Emerton has been mentioned, and also a full back. As far as Dacourts price is concerned I have not mentioned £15m.
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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Leeds 'need' to raise just £15m and can easily do that by selling Dacourt, who was always on the list to go,

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Originally posted by corelive:
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Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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Leeds 'need' to raise just £15m and can easily do that by selling Dacourt, who was always on the list to go,

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Apoligies marching did not see the bowyer aswell but IMO you will not get £15 mil for the pair
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Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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Leeds 'need' to raise just £15m and can easily do that by selling Dacourt, who was always on the list to go, and Bowyer, who was not part of the initial list until he himself decided to leave and is therefore a bonus cash wise.

It was common knowledge that PR and DOL had a list of players they were willing to sell which they estimated would raise £22m - this extra cash for TV could come from Dubes, Wilcox, Harte, Kelly, McPhail, Martyn, Batty and Keane all moving on.</strong><hr></blockquote>


You could sell Dacourt to meet that figure, but you wouldn't have much if aything left to buy a couple of younger players. Surely Venables doesn't want to go through another year with last years squad.
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This thread is all very nice, although the bottom line is still that it's up to Ferdinand. If he doesn't wish to go, I can see Leeds doing anything in their power to raise money without selling him (even though it may not be the smartest move).

If he wants to go, well, we know what happens when players want to go. They go.
 
I've no idea how acute Leeds' cash shortage is. But if they need to raise only the 15m that people quote, they don't realy need to sell Rio.

Selling him to us would be an admission that they're a second tier club (unless they're sure he'll be a failure with us). Doesn't seem the best way for Tel to start. Though he's probably capable of convincing people that such a sign of weakness was actually a sign of strength.
 
If he really wanted to stay then his statement last week would've been unequivocal in his intention to remain at Leeds. The fact that it was ambiguous and maleable to interpretation leads one to speculate that he's intrested in at least exploring the option of moving to OT.
 
As has been said, it's up to Rio. I think Utd have been totally up front in saying that if his willing, they will do what it takes to bring him to OT.

Leeds (Risdale et al) in all probability do not wish to sell him. Venables definitely doesn't. It's whether Rio is willing to commit himself to Leeds and work through a rebuilding process that will take them at least 4 years to establish themselves as a force again (even then the top three teams will have moved on another level and could still be out of reach).

It's boils down to ambition. Rio has said he's so desperate for success, he wants to win things yesterday. Well that isn't going to happen at Elland Rd for a while.

I think Leeds are backing Rio into a corner where he has to put up (i.e ask for a move) or shut up (commit himself to the club and see out his contract). One way or the other it should be sorted soon cos Utd won't wait much longer for an answer.
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
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You could sell Dacourt to meet that figure, but you wouldn't have much if aything left to buy a couple of younger players. Surely Venables doesn't want to go through another year with last years squad.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You should not have believed the crap posted and printed about Leeds being deep in the shit - it has always been the case that all Leeds needed to do was reduce the squad by 4 and make £15m - this has been said over and over again by PR.

It is still the case and therefore as 47 said Leeds don't have to sell Rio.

We have Bridges and Radebe back from long term injuries along with Woodgate who the club thought might be in jail now.

So with a new midfielder and defender being bought it won't be the same squad as last season Raoul.
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Yes, they dont need to sell Rio, yet...
My personal opinion is that he will ask to leave. Whether Leeds sell him to United is a different matter.
I think he'll go because:
1&gt;he seems to be a very ambitious lad. Talk of Leeds needing to sell to pacify the money men will not go down well.
2&gt;2 of Leeds best midfielders are virtually gone. Ok they may get replaced, but how long will it take replacements to settle? seems to me Rio wont want to wait too long.
3&gt;O'Leary was sacked. The man who took a big risk signing him. A fellow defender who probably taught him a lot. Im sure Rio probably feels some loyalty to him.
4&gt;United have been linked all summer to players like Ronaldo, Carlos etc. So we havent bought anyone yet. big deal. at least we're being linked to them and not in the news for needing to sell big.
5&gt;The reports that he's Fergies number 1 target is bound to have flattered him, especially at the price touted.
6&gt;his 'friendship' with several of the United players. Especially Wes Brown who he seems to have become very pally with. Even went on Hols to Las Vegas together.

Thats why i believe Rio WILL ask to move. Whether he is allowed to go to United or not is a different matter. Im sure Leeds would prefer to see him go abroad to someone like Madrid etc rather than to an english rival.
 
I'm sure Leeds don't want to sell Rio, but I'm also pretty sure he wants to keep his career moving in the right direction. That isn't going to happen if he stays at Leeds, particularly with El Tel in charge now.
So that's it - scientifically proved. Rio Ferdinand to be a Man Utd player within a month.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>If he really wanted to stay then his statement last week would've been unequivocal in his intention to remain at Leeds. The fact that it was ambiguous and maleable to interpretation leads one to speculate that he's intrested in at least exploring the option of moving to OT.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Definitely. He met with Venables today and did NOT pledge his future to Leeds, assuming he was quoted accurately in this article:

<a href="http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,3-2002320905,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,3-2002320905,00.html</a>
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Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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You should not have believed the crap posted and printed about Leeds being deep in the shit - it has always been the case that all Leeds needed to do was reduce the squad by 4 and make £15m - this has been said over and over again by PR.

It is still the case and therefore as 47 said Leeds don't have to sell Rio.

We have Bridges and Radebe back from long term injuries along with Woodgate who the club thought might be in jail now.

So with a new midfielder and defender being bought it won't be the same squad as last season Raoul.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Bridges, Radebe, and Woodgate aren't new though. Who would replace Bowyer and Dacourt?
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Bridges has not pulled on a Leeds shirt for nearly 2 years and Woodgate has been in and out of the Leeds team since the first trial started. So effectively...it is like getting 2 new players.

Leeds' squad is too big to account for the bad injury crisis of season 2000/2001, why DOL didn't get rid of the excess before now who knows? But he was meant to do it once the trial finished and we knew we were keeping Bowyer and Woodgate. However, Bowyer deciding to go has stuffed things.

But it has always been a case of selling 4 squad players and raising 15 million.

Really, the parallels between Leeds and Chelsea are amazing: Chelsea- in worse debt than Leeds. The (London based) papers don't care too much. It's apparently not that big a crisis that JFH now might be sold and they can't buy anyone. Leeds- debt not as bad as Chelsea. Sustained campaign by the press for the last 6 months to sell off half the team and report in every paper what is happenig and what a crisi it is.

Leeds- two players facing possible jail. We all know how the press treated that...including one contempt by media induced retrial at a cost of 10 million to english taxpayers. Chelsea-two players facing possible jail sentences...and if I'm not mistaken John Terry would face longer in jail if found guilty than either Bowyer or Woodgate would have. The press are very upset Terry isn't allowed to play for england....and no mention is made of the coming trial.

Hmmm.....s whcih club is favoured by the press more I guess? Is it because one is a London based 'glamour' club and the other insignificant?

I'm off topic but the difference in attitude about the relative problems at the clubs...which are eerily similar and not surprisingly not treated the same.
 
leeds and chelsea...these two clubs are made for one another. the phrase "delusions of grandeur" springs to mind...

i actually like ranieri though, and JFH seemed a decent bloke on the telly. desailly is class, and zola one of my favourite players...vialli was another man i respected...other than bates, i have to say i really have no contempt for them.

anyways, leeds brough all this negative press upon themselves. the press loved o' leary's "babies" until bowyer and woodgate went psycho, o'leary got a big head, and risdale decided he wanted to be a superstar chairman. there's also a huge problem with your racist fans, who never fail to make idiots of themselves. the likes of mills and smith hardly endear themselves to neutrals either, with their style of play. you know, they don't call 'em dirty leeds for nuthin...at least chelsea have a couple of cups to show for their mountains of debt...what do leeds have???
 
Leeds's debt may be smaller than Chelsea but not by much. By trying to (allegedly) raise only 15m now, the club is gambling on its future.
 
Lets face it the need more than 15m as they need to get some new players...

If Dacourt and Bowyer both go who are they going to play in midfield next season?

The likes of Kewell and Rio will be gone sooner rather than later an all...they need to take stock and get some decent young players in and build for the future
 
usual suspect...you are basing your assessment on your likes of the different clubs and not the facts. Hmm...which just demonstrates my point..so thanks for backing it up by providing evidence of exactly what I was talking about.
 
Originally posted by elmo:
<strong>usual suspect...you are basing your assessment on your likes of the different clubs and not the facts. Hmm...which just demonstrates my point..so thanks for backing it up by providing evidence of exactly what I was talking about.</strong><hr></blockquote>

and the award for stating the obvious goes to...

anyways, what's your point? i was just pointing out the chelsea are more likeable than leeds, and have a few trophies to show for their debts, whereas leeds have none. is that not a fact?
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If I'm stating the obvious how come in your response you still don't understand my point?

There 's nothing wrong with you liking Chelsea better...except for it being the reason why the press have been so nice to Chelsea and pretty horrific to Leeds. Whihc was my original point...and which oyu backed up...and I pointed out..and oyu said I was stating the obvious...and then you stated the obvious...and now I'm pointing it back to you.

Are we finsihed now?
 
Originally posted by elmo:
<strong>If I'm stating the obvious how come in your response you still don't understand my point?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I feel your pain, im having similar difficulties with low concentration span scousers in another thread.
What is it with scousers that they seem to be able to read but not understand?
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Originally posted by Murt:
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I feel your pain, im having similar difficulties with low concentration span scousers in another thread.
What is it with scousers that they seem to be able to read but not understand?</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Murt

If Veron's price has gone down in a year, whilst RVN's has gone up, would you say that other factors e.g. performance, are at work?
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Tel should sale rio. why keep someone who is clearly unsatisfied with trophyless club football. If the lad decides to stay and ?Ledds win nothing he will blame Tel and the Leeds board for his lost chance. But cashing in on him now and getiing young replacements is a wiser move. It will pay handsomely in the end mor ethan an unhappy captain. :D
 
Harry Rednapp has just been on Radio 5 Live and is tipping Rio to sign for Man Utd. Apparently Rio popped in for a cup of tea and a chat.
:D
 
Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
<strong>Being a relative new boy to this forum milarky, how did the fuss over Sol Campbell compare to all this Rio speculation?

(Just curious)</strong><hr></blockquote>

dont fecking remind me ... i was glad when the shit was over
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Yeah, but the difference this time is that Utd are really in for him. The Sol thing was a phoney war (phoney as in a lot of people thought we ought to be in for him and a lot more didn't). In the end Utd never really made an effort.

Shame as Sol and Rio would be a devastating combo for Utd IMO.
 
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>Tel should sale rio. why keep someone who is clearly unsatisfied with trophyless club football. If the lad decides to stay and ?Ledds win nothing he will blame Tel and the Leeds board for his lost chance. But cashing in on him now and getiing young replacements is a wiser move. It will pay handsomely in the end mor ethan an unhappy captain. :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

feck me. I agree with him.
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I agree with dans

this is an opportunity to make some inroads on the debt, thus strengthening the future of the club [which must be more important than any one player] and for the new manager to kick start the rebuilding process with 2-3 or 4 young new signings.

That is a much brighter future for all concerned IMO.

Welcome to Old Trafford Rio. ;) :cool:
 
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