Should Keane, Butt, Beckham and Ferdinand Get A VIP-card?

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We have seen that our current squad have their soul into it. That spirit has given us results in difficult matches now. The replacements are now maybe even better than the originals, at the moment at least.

with that in mind, should the players that soon will return, just be squeezed into the starting 11? Whom shall, whom shall not? And why?
 
I agree, its a tricky situation. The thing is, the defence we have now has gelled brilliantly, you can tell that wes and micket have great communication going on their, would throwing rio back in help?, i personally prefer solskjauer right wing this season, becks is great but solskjauer has been on fire in their. No question that roy keane should get his starting place ASAP, he'll bring something into the team with his immediete return that i dont think butt, rio, or becks would.

Dunno..its hard, fergie will make the right choice though ;)
 
When fit, Keane and Beckham are automatic selections in SAFs mind IMO.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>When fit, Keane and Beckham are automatic selections in SAFs mind IMO.</strong><hr></blockquote>

keane definitely.. but becks was dropped for a long period last year remember? it did becks a lot of good too.. so i won't be surprised if becks was kept out until someone else in the first 11 screw their chance up by playing a poor game.
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Players that have come in and done well, know in their own minds that its temporary. All they can do is give it their best shot and hope to give the manager something to think about.

They've all done that, and deserve a massive pat on the back.

But let's be realistic, Becks, Keane & Rio will all strengthen our team. In fact they'll now know that they cant afford any half baked performances cos there are players ready to replace them if they do. That's called a Win Win I believe <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
 
Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
<strong>Players that have come in and done well, know in their own minds that its temporary. All they can do is give it their best shot and hope to give the manager something to think about.

They've all done that, and deserve a massive pat on the back.

But let's be realistic, Becks, Keane & Rio will all strengthen our team. In fact they'll now know that they cant afford any half baked performances cos there are players ready to replace them if they do. That's called a Win Win I believe <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't believe that Rio will necessarily improve the defence which, at the moment, is the best we have had since the Bruce/Pallister days.
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Originally posted by Private PeeWee:
<strong>So whom should be included directly, and whom not?</strong><hr></blockquote>

i think it is justified to say that Keane should get back into the side immediately. we all know Fortune and Phil are only stand-ins.

Becks most likely will get a free ride as well because Ole is playing out of position and i doubt SAF will keep him there when Becks is fit.

Rio would also walk right in, because O'Shea is playing out of position on the left. So Silvestre will be moved out, O'Shea goes to the bench - assured that he has gained a lot of valuable experience.

Butt will go straight to the bench as long as Veron can keep up the performance he showed against Arsenal.

Tough challenge for Blanc IMO. Brown will not let his grip go easily.
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I have always like Brown, always thought that he was absolute class, better than Ferdinand IMO.

Most people lost faith in him after his little own goal run and that farce with Barthez (and it was the Frenchman at fault there, he is the experienced pro, he should have made the calls).

Others say he's not in Ferdinand's class, but hey, the kid has not had anywhere near the amount of first team football that Rio has had, as he has not been with West ham and Leeds, he's been at United.

Give the lad a good run and he'll show us how good he really is, hopfully he can stay injury free as he deserves it.

Great to have the likes of Ferdinand, O'Shea, Brown, and Silvestre though isn't it? :D
 
Agree with you there Weaste.. SAF has always rated him highly. I've always thought the mix-up between him and Barthez was nothing more than just a phase.. Brown has been plagued with too many injuries and he was most likely bound to have some difficulty regaining confidence.

And yes, it's very nice to have that line-up in defence.. atleast 7-8 good years ahead for this lot. I see a new set of Irwin-Pallister-Bruce-Parker already <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" />
 
The midfield can be strengthened by those two. But the back four should not be touched untill further notice. Only injury or suspension should alow the brek up of such an impressive unit.
 
They should most definitly not, Keane is the only one we could use in the team at the moment and even he isnt absolutely vital! Becks has been poor most of the season and a spell on the sidelines would do him some good, Ferdinand has been really unlucky with injuries, a little while coming off the bench would be good for him as well until he is over his injury run. Apart from that the back for are playing far too well to be broken up at the moment and Solskjaer has been brilliant on the right, he should be kept there for a sustained run!
 
Keane should definately be back - you cannot keep the worlds best central midfielder on the bench.

As for Becks, Rio and Larry, let them sit on the bench for a while and realise that it does not matter who they are, they still have to earn a place.
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>Agree with you there Weaste.. SAF has always rated him highly. I've always thought the mix-up between him and Barthez was nothing more than just a phase.. Brown has been plagued with too many injuries and he was most likely bound to have some difficulty regaining confidence.

And yes, it's very nice to have that line-up in defence.. atleast 7-8 good years ahead for this lot. I see a new set of Irwin-Pallister-Bruce-Parker already <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

I wouldn't mind if we didn't clone Parker though...

;)
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When Keane is fit, he will rightly go straight back into the side. No explaination is required.
 
Keane - definitely

Rio - should earn his way back (I'm particularly worried about the Silvestre contract situation here).

Blanc - bench, thank you Larry, the apprentices have found their feet.

Beckham - will be back whatever we think about it. Which is a bastard if there's no spot upfront for Ole with RVN (i.e. no 4-4-2). If that is the case, then it should be Giggs' benched for a while and seeing Ole show him how to do it. <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
 
We'll find out about Beckham tomorrow. I think that he'll play.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>We'll find out about Beckham tomorrow. I think that he'll play.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i hope he stays on the bench, our team seems to to be geling well atm.. we also need the 3 points.. it will give us a great cushion to go into the next round.
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People were saying the same about Verón after the Liverpool game, that he should not play against Arsenal and we should keep the same team. And look what happened.
 
Originally posted by antohan:
<strong>Keane - definitely

Rio - should earn his way back (I'm particularly worried about the Silvestre contract situation here).

Blanc - bench, thank you Larry, the apprentices have found their feet.

Beckham - will be back whatever we think about it. Which is a bastard if there's no spot upfront for Ole with RVN (i.e. no 4-4-2). <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Agree with the above. I've been one of those saying that we should keep the team that's been winning and that everyone coming back from injury should have to bide their time. Have to admit though that, in my mind, I've always put Keano in a special category. As long as he's sorted his head out, I think we'll always be a stronger and better team with him in it. So, I would slot him in as soon as he was fit.

Agree with you about Rio. I'm also nervous about Mickey. Still no news about him actually signing a new contract. He keeps putting in great performances and his value goes up by the day. He can start talking to other teams in 3 weeks time and he'd be a great signing for someone on a free.

Also agree with you about Larry and Becks. I don't think it would hurt Becks to have to bide his time. That way he might be more inclined to stay on the right and put in those crosses once he does come back. Also, I don't want to see Ole dropped which will probably happen because my guess is we'll be playing 4-5-1 for the most part. And if Ole's going to find it hard to get a match it'll also mean Diego will probably be stuck on the bench indefinitely despite his recent heroics.
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Most in here see Keano as an automatic choice,I don't agree. Although he adds that bit of steel I see nothing to much wrong with the current team.
If he comes in and is back to his old ways then he will wind up a liability. The team will start to play around him again and so yet another adjustment, then he has one of his stupid moments and we are back to square one.
I think all of the injured players HAVE to earn their respective places back and that is out of respect for what the current team has done.
 
Becks - str8 into the team - best right sided midfielder in the world....Figo, please!!!

Keano - right back into the starting XI. P Neville great game against Arsenal, but overall he's a crap player.

Rio - Move Wes out to the left and have Mickey and Rio as the center backs.

Bartez
G Nev Rio Mickey Wes
Becks Keane Veron Ole
Scholes RVN

Subs:
Butt
Giggs
Larry
 
John O'Shea is in my opinion better than Rio Ferdinand. But then I am Irish so maybe I am a bit biased. Wes Brown has also proven that he can put top attackers in his pocket(Henry) We have a very good defensive situation at the moment. Remember when Jaap Stam started he needed time to settle so Ferdinand has to be given that time too. But O'Shea is fantastic and imo the find of the season, the guy is only in his first season and is already without a doubt one of the best defenders in the world. He is also pretty good going forward. He is defo one to watch for the future. And yes I am happy that he is Irish. :D
 
Keano would definitely get back as long as he regains his fitness again. A 70% Keano is still better than a 120% Phil Neville.

It's also not very difficult for Becks and Rio to get back their places IMO. Fergie still view them as first team players. Particularly Rio, he is one of the best young defenders in the world today and we are going to build our future defence around him, so don't think he will be on the bench for a long time.
 
My God, the way the defense is playing will sort out the English national side, Gaz-Wes-Rio-AN Other(when Rio's back of course)and the same will go for the midfield when Butts back, Becks-Scholes-Butt-AN Other. Why doesn't SAF just buy and english striker and LB and be done with it, I'm sure he can manage Utd and England at the same time ;)
 
Our strongest side IMHO opinion, with all available would be

--------------RVN-------------
-----Giggs, Scholes, Becks----
----------Keane, Veron--------
Mickey, *Brown/OShea, Rio, Gaz
--------------Fab-------------

Sorry Ole, Diego and Phil but no matter how grateful we are for your efforts, you have to be realistic.

Thankfully, with so many games, everyone will get a fair chance.

*Very close call between those two. OShea ahead on this season, but Brown has looked awesome since he returned.
 
In my perfect Manutd ( I had been insulted on this) EVERYONE WOULD HAVE TO COMPETE FOR HIS PLACE.

No one at OT deserves an automatic place. That is why I am against covers. At this levels there is no place for covers ONLY COMPETITORS
 
Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
<strong>Our strongest side IMHO opinion, with all available would be

--------------RVN-------------
-----Giggs, Scholes, Becks----
----------Keane, Veron--------
Mickey, *Brown/OShea, Rio, Gaz
--------------Fab-------------

Sorry Ole, Diego and Phil but no matter how grateful we are for your efforts, you have to be realistic.

Thankfully, with so many games, everyone will get a fair chance.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Solskjaer is a better all round player than Becks.
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