Sheep Draft SF1 - Stobzilla v Enigma_87/RedTiger

What do you think the score will be?

  • Stobzilla 1-0 Enigma

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Stobzilla 2-1 Enigma

    Votes: 9 37.5%

  • Stobzilla 3-2 Enigma

    Votes: 9 37.5%

  • Stobzilla 3-0 Enigma

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Enigma 1-0 Stobzilla

    Votes: 2 8.3%

  • Enigma 2-1 Stobzilla

    Votes: 2 8.3%

  • Enigma 3-2 Stobzilla

    Votes: 2 8.3%

  • Enigma 3-0 Stobzilla

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    24
  • Poll closed .

Gio

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TEAM STOBZILLA​

Formation

Gone for an Ancelotti-esque take on 4-3-1-2/4-3-2-1 pace, quality and stamina all in abundance in key area's of the pitch. What we may cede in terms of being able to dominate through possession we more than make up for in the counter attacking phase.

Defence

Key feature of my side is it's full backs, Demyanenko and one of the consensus best right backs of all timeWim Suurbier, both have the aforementioned pace, stamina and quality to not only be able to shut down the wide areas whilst still providing an attacking threat. Suurbier is being asked more of offensively out of the two, Demyanenko can still get forward but his moments will be carefully selected. In the middle we have Soviet legend Albert Whatshisfacenevnyov, still a pain in the arse in terms of knowing how to spell his name but also an absolute wall defensively. To his left we have former Real Madrid captain, Multiple CL winner and general ball playing CB animal Fernando Hierro. They are backed up by one Michael Konsel a solid Austrian international well thought of by Roma fans during his brief time in Italy and a key element of Rapid Vienna's European surges in the early - mid 80's

Midfield

Always a key area and I will start with Steven Gerrard here I think it is important to indulge his all action style, we all know his ability/penchant for firing balls from deep, this will allow him to do some of that still but also he gets to be a genuine box to box threat, but this time with slightly more licence to get forward, To his right we have the ver reliable Peter Reid shielding and harrying in the midfield area and Mario Coluna, a perfect tactical fit for this side.

Attack

One of the better balanced attacks in Caf Draft history. Diego Maradona, Thierry Henry, Marco Van Basten give you everything you would ever want in an attack it has no weakness and even without the able company behind them they could probably win games on their own.

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TEAM ENIGMA_87 / REDTIGER​

GK: Rinat Dasayev - The best goalkeeper of the 80's. Nicknamed the "Iron Curtain" he's a tall keeper with magnificent reflexes. However his biggest strength is the ability to command his box and area, his anticipation and aerial presense. One of the most dependable keepers - usually prevented any dangerous situation before it even happened.

RB: Vogts - He can provide width and also of course with his excellent marking and tackling abilities he can help the defence against Maradona or Henry when they are in possession or try to drift wide.

CB: McNeill - Solid, great in the air, strong into tackle will be probably up against MvB and neutralizing him in the air and on the ground.

CB: Cannavaro - One of the best central defenders at his peak, will anticipate and neutralize any danger that Stobz world class forward would try to create.

LB: Branco - One of the best LB for the Brazil NT and the best LB Brazil had in the 80's. Fast, great crosser of the ball, that could've provide width and an excellent FK specialist. Along with Nedved will provide width on the left and will look for Shearer in the box with one of his crosses.

DM/MC: Redondo - Arguably the best defensive midfield. He and Seedorf will be able to screen the defence, also combine well together and control the midfield. He will most likely spray passes to the wing or try to find Shearer and Gullit with a direct pass from deep. Both CM will have plenty of support from Nedved and Gullit as well, who are tireless runners and can provide cover when we lack the ball.

DM/MC: Seedorf - Strong, very physical, excellent reading of the game, excellent technically, he and Redondo would control possession and find space from deep.

AML: Nedved - will be up against Suurbier most of the time when he has the ball, and I think his trickery and directness will most likely get better of him most of the time. Stobz will also probably instruct the his full backs to provide width as it is his only viable wide option so that would give Nedved a lot of chances to create something.

AMC - Gullit - had the size of a striker at 6'3" but the vision and passing of a midfielder (his natural position) and the balance and sturdiness of a world-class defender. Hailing from the Netherlands, he was an optimal expression of that national team's idea of "Total Football," where any player on the pitch could adapt to any necessary role. On top of that he is an ultimate big game player that will certainly have a good match here.

AMR: - Stojkovic - will be up against Demyanenko and Stojkovic at his peak has destroyed a lot better defenders in the past at his peak. Demyanenko as well has to be instructed to provide width so most likely Stojkovic will have plenty of space and time on the ball. Stojkovic will have a bit more free role in this match as most likely the midfield will be congested and we have enough players to provide defensive cover and that are excellent tacklers so that he can do his thing. It's a match that he can truly shine and excel.

CF: Shearer - will be up against Hierro and Whatshisfacenevnyov. Sheerer will have plenty of support and now with Branco's crosses and Gullit behind him he has even more service to put a match winning performance.

Key points:

Midfield battle. I think Reid is the odd one here in the midfield and not in the same class or breath compared to Redondo, Seedorf, Gullit. We have a good core of excellent players that can provide pressing and also have the stamina and endurance to do it throughout the game.

Rinat Dasayev.Konsel is a pretty good keeper, but Dasaev is one(if not the) of the best of his generation and top ten all time. We clearly have the upper hand in

Shearer: Most likely with his presence and sheer power he'll be able to sneak a goal or two. He is up against Hierro and Whatshisfacenevnyov who will have tough time handling him. Gullit as well is pretty physical player with a lot of technique that can both beat on the ground and in the air Stobz central pair.

Creativity: I think we have a lot of creativity in the middle of the park, while Stobz has obviously in attack. With a front 6 of Nedved, Gullit, Shearer, Stojkovic, Redondo and Seedorf we should be able to matchMaradona, Henry and MvB creativity further up the pitch which is Stobz main asset in this team.

Stobz team lack of width: Stobz has compiled a great team but he's clearly lacking width and only has two full backs that could genuinely use the flanks. We have a clear advantage there on both flanks withBranco/Nedved and Vogts/Stojkovic.

Defence against Stobz attack: Surely Stobz main threat and biggest asset in his team is his attack. However we have the players that have the biggest chance at stopping that attacking trio and that can play really rough and tough in defence. All of our defenders, especially McNeill and Vogts are really tough tacklers and Maradona and MvB are more technical players that had issues with rough tackling defenders (case in point for Maradona against Gentile). Vogts and Branco will have a bit more free role as they will rarely have a traditional winger to defend against and Vogts can help the defence with coping against those heavy hitters while Branco will have a bit more attacking role on the left as he has the whole flank on his on.

Overal balance in the team: Stobz has 2 stars in his team MvB and Maradona who are the best in their positions but our team doesn't lack stars - we have Ballon D'Or winners like Nedved, Gullit and Cannavaro. We have one of the best midfielder in their generations in Seedorf and Redondo. We also have an excellent back line without weaknesses that can both provide width with our fullbacks and that are really excellent defensively. Where Stobz has more quality and the upper hand in MvB, Henry and Maradona, we I think have the better defence, much better keeper, Redondo easily overshadows Reid and Nedved and Gullit can also help us get the ball back with their stamina and team work.
Gullit and Nedved are vital for this match as they can put both defensive and offensive shift and they can neutralize Stobz in the middle of the park. I dare to say that we have built a team that lacks nothing in terms of positions.

Link to more descriptive player profiles:

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-third-redcafe-sheep-draft.411575/page-58#post-18576716

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-third-redcafe-sheep-draft.411575/page-58#post-18576720
 
@Rado_N Can you create a poll please?

What do you think the score will be?

Stobzilla 1-0 Enigma
Stobzilla 2-1 Enigma
Stobzilla 3-2 Enigma
Stobzilla 3-0 Enigma
Enigma 1-0 Stobzilla
Enigma 2-1 Stobzilla
Enigma 3-2 Stobzilla
Enigma 3-0 Stobzilla

@Stobzilla
@Enigma_87
@RedTiger
 
stobz is so top heavy, but I can see hiim thumping the other team 5-3 or something if he scores the first goal. If the other team scores first and controls the midfield, it's game over... Hmmmm
 
RedTiger said:
Stobzilla has to score first though and I think we'll control the game enough for that not to happen.
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True. I've gone 3-2 to Stobz but I'm mulling this over honestly.
 
NM said:
stobz is so top heavy, but I can see hiim thumping the other team 5-3 or something if he scores the first goal. If the other team scores first and controls the midfield, it's game over... Hmmmm
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I wouldn't mistake having that much talent in attack with being "top heavy" there is more than enough balance in the side with Reid's ability to sit and get about the midfield in dirty areas, Coluna, Gerrard, Suurbier and Demyanenkos combined pace and work rates (never mind their proven class when on the ball) and Hierro's general class mixed with Shesternyov who to my mind is a consensus all time great.
 
We've got the better back 5 hands down. We've also got solid DMs in Seedorf and Redondo, with the added bonus of our 3 AMs having the ability to come deep and play a 5 man midfield. I honestly think that the versatility of our line-up has the edge over Stobzilla's very good front three.
 
RedTiger said:
We've got the better back 5 hands down.
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Not sure about that. A combined defence would have Vogts and Demyanenko as full-backs with any two from Shesternyov, Cannavaro and Hierro in the middle. The better keeper for sure.
 
Ok I see Stobz has taken an early lead. So let me take a crack at it.

Stobz has advantage up top with Maradona, Henry and MvB but I think we have big players there with Shearer, Gullit and Stojkovic.

I think Gullit will play the major role in this game because of his versatility and the way he can help in the defensive part of the game in this way we have an extra man in midfield when we're off the ball. He's the definition of a total footballer and can surge forward very quickly as well.

I think both teams are pretty even but I can't see Maradona, MvB or Henry helping at all in defence which will help us control the game. As for back 5 I think we definitely have the better one. Vogts is the best RB in the draft. I don't think peak Hierro comes close to peak Cannavaro. At his peak Cannavaro is the best CB out of the four.

Where we have clear advantage is GK - Konsel is a good keeper but is tiers below Dasayev who is one of the best keepers and certainly the best in the 80's.

The other huge mismatch is Redondo vs Reid. Reid is a very good DM but he's tiers below Redondo who is as well one of the best in his position.
 
NM said:
stobz is so top heavy, but I can see hiim thumping the other team 5-3 or something if he scores the first goal. If the other team scores first and controls the midfield, it's game over... Hmmmm
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I think @NM has made an excellent point here. Gullit is one that can bring us control in midfield and if we score first we have more bodies in the middle of the park and plenty of players that can kill the game off.

For controlling the game I think Seedorf/Redondo is definitely better than Coluna/Reid. Seedorf and Coluna are similar in their frame, engine and contribution to the game while Redondo is vastly superior than Reid.

Nedved vs Gerrard is again good battle of characters with probably Stobz choosing Gerrard, but I think Nedved can bring more balance and certainly can do something that Gerrard cannot do - bring width.

Stobz also has pretty narrow side and with that many bodies in the middle of the park even if both midfields negate eachother Branco/Nedved, Stojkovic/Vogts are better than any wide option Stobz can put.

Also Henry in that formation will look to create width on the left but he will come against Vogts if he decides to go wide which I think is a standstill in terms of personalities.

Gio said:
Not sure about that. A combined defence would have Vogts and Demyanenko as full-backs with any two from Shesternyov, Cannavaro and Hierro in the middle. The better keeper for sure.
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I think we definitely have better back 5.

You can't look past Dasayev, Cannavaro and Vogts being definite starters in those defences.

Shesternyov is very similar to frame and game to McNeill I think there's not much in between them.

Demyanenko vs Branco I think the former is better defensively but Branco is better offensively. To be honest I haven't watched Demyanenko so I don't know much about him I only comment on what I've read and from what I've read I don't think he's better offensively than Branco.
 
Stobzilla said:
No, but you can sure as shit stick a volley in past him :)
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You would need a special strike to do that as seen above. Like one in a lifetime, so that happened in that game he won't be able to replicate it in ours :D



^^ this is what Gullit is about and why he would put a MoTM performance here.
 
Cal? said:
I'm not allowed to vote... :(
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why is that mate?

Here's 2 tributes to the players and positions I think we have huge advantage in:



Neuer may be the modern sweeper keeper, but Dasayev was the playmaker-keeper from the back :D He was exceptional for starting attacks and also controlling his box and preventing danger before it even ocurred.



and an excuse to post this really on Redondo who and how elegant he was in his game but also decisive and imposing in his defensive duties.

There is some Seedorf footage in there as well...

and some info on Branco, our left back, for those who don't remember him from the world cup in 94:

Brazilian star Branco's natural position was at left-back. The defender, who had a stint at Middlesbrough, was part of Brazil's successful World Cup side in 1994. He was regarded as a free-kick specialist while overall he made 12 World Cup appearances, scoring once.
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and an interesting piece for that game against Holland in 94 when he scored the decisive FK for Brazil to win 3-2 and marking Overmars out of the game:

Branco, almost forgotten in Brazilian soccer lore, scored the decisive goal Saturday on a booming, 30-yard free kick in the 81st minute to lift Brazil to a 3-2 quarterfinal victory over the Netherlands at the Cotton Bowl.

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Branco, who had not played in nearly a month, almost scored twice, deprived earlier by goalkeeper Ed De Goey, who leaped to deflect another free kick.

On defense, Branco marked Marc Overmars out of the game, sticking to the forward like Dutch Boy paint on plywood.

All because Leonardo whacked Tab Ramos.

"Destiny wanted it to be like this," a humbled Branco said.

Often, the best coaching decisions are ones thrust upon you.

Carlos Alberto Parreira, scrutinized in Brazil for everything down to his toothpaste choices, was under pressure in Brazil to not play Branco, a two-time World Cup veteran with a bad back.

The 30-year-old Branco, critics suggested, would be a monkey wrench in the Brazilian offense. The vertebrae in Branco's back, in fact, have eroded to the point that his left leg is slightly shorter than his right.

While the rest of his team prepared for the World Cup, Branco soaked his sacroiliac in the whirlpool under the care of Dr. Lidio Toledo. Since participating in club championship matches in Rio de Janeiro more than 40 days ago, Branco had played one half of soccer--in a June 12 friendly against El Salvador in Fresno.

Leonardo's suspension made Parreira's decision to insert Branco an easy one.

True, there were a lot of miles on this Branco, but experience counts in big games and the defender was a veteran of nine World Cup games, in 1986 and 1990.

Branco has always possessed a lively free kick. His bio sheet notes that he is "exceptionally threatening in free-kick situations, having scored from seemingly safe distances outside the box."

It perfectly described Saturday's game-winner.

Branco set himself up for the kick by baiting Wim Jonk into a foul, a subtlety teammate Leonardo has not quite mastered.

Then, from well beyond the penalty arc, Branco let go with a left-footed blast that found a hole in the Dutch wall and the upper-right corner of the net.

"I struck the ball with a lot of confidence," Branco said. "Before I hit the ball, I looked up at the scoreboard and saw there were 10 minutes to go. I got it in my head, it was the right moment."

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With the shot, Branco said, he silenced most of his critics.

"It was a game in which everyone was worried if I was ready to play," he said.

Overmars could attest to his opponent's fitness. Branco was not shy in saying he "annihilated" the Dutch forward.

Branco said he was not nervous before the game: "To the contrary, I was very much at peace."

Of his defensive performance, he said. "I had to mark perhaps Holland's best player. I don't think he had anything to do with the game. I thank God I had a great role in the game."

Admittedly tired, Branco left the game in the 89th minute to a hero's welcome on the Brazilian bench. Had he been wearing a cap, Branco would have tipped it.

The game over, as the impact of the goal began to set in, Branco allowed himself to cry.

"It was for everything that I had to go through," he said. "To go from 2-0, to 2-2 and then 3-2, it was a thing of destiny. If one did not cry, one would not have emotions."
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Two fantastic teams.

Enigma midfield is outstanding. Lots of class and graft. But somehow I feel he'd be better off with a pacey winger to take advantage of Suurbiers defensive weaknesses instead of Nedved there. Stojkovic did play as Left IF iirc and would be better there to exploit space once Wim gets out of position. Also don't get the arrow on Vogts. He's better off squeezing space against Henry in a compact defence.

Need a bit more on Peter Reid. What type player was he? What I read looks good, but was he a Keane type player?
 
It would be a close game if not for Maradona, and I'm not 100% convinced about Enigma's setup.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Need a bit more on Peter Reid. What type player was he? What I read looks good, but was he a Keane type player?
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RedTiger said:
he was a grafter who put in hard tackles, but most importantly, he wasn't better than Redondo or Seedorf or Gullit for that matter.
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He was a lot more than a "grafter", he was all action with a fantastic range of passing. Voted 4th when it come time to give out the Ballon D'or during his peak. Behind only Schuster, Elkjar and Platini IIRC.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Two fantastic teams.

Enigma midfield is outstanding. Lots of class and graft. But somehow I feel he'd be better off with a pacey winger to take advantage of Suurbiers defensive weaknesses instead of Nedved there. Stojkovic did play as Left IF iirc and would be better there to exploit space once Wim gets out of position. Also don't get the arrow on Vogts. He's better off squeezing space against Henry in a compact defence.
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I think Nedved has plenty of space to exploit Suurbiers position and also skill to do so. Stobz has instructed both him and Demyanenko to go forward and create width so his full backs will often be out of position otherwise he has zero width in his side. Stojkovic is the better dribbler and he's better on the right so that he can also exploit the left flank against a better defensively Demyanenko.

Vogts can also run forward to create space as more likely he'll have most of the zone for himself once we have the ball, alongside Stojkovic.

Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Need a bit more on Peter Reid. What type player was he? What I read looks good, but was he a Keane type player?
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His best came with Everton and that CWC run where Everton won it and he got nominated for Ballon D'or and that's one of the three seasons he played more than 20 matches for club. He couldn't break into the English side and won his apps when everybody else was injured.

He's far off Redondo in terms of quality in his position and as I said there and the keeper position we have a huge advantage over Stobz.

BBRBB said:
It would be a close game if not for Maradona, and I'm not 100% convinced about Enigma's setup.
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What do you find unconvincing mate?
 
Enigma_87 said:
What do you find unconvincing mate?
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Redondo-Seedorf in the middle may lack a bit of steel, also Henry had fun with Cannavaro at the Euro 2000, adding Van Basten and Maradona to the equation could turn into a bloodbath.

In attack Stojkovic and Shearer look lightweight at this level. I expect your team to dominate in the midfield but to lack penetration and decisiveness in the last third.
 
Oh well, I though it would be a tight match but IMO most voters didn't look past the attacking trio. Good luck to Stobz in the final he has done great to built his team in the draft. I think we had a pretty crap first reinforcement round but I'm satisfied with my first draft and how it went with @RedTiger .
 
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