Setanta Ó'hAilpín

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Did anyone see the "fight" between Setanta Ó'hAilpín and Cameron Cloke whilst training for Carlton in the AFL?





There are people calling for him to be fined/suspended/sacked. What do you think?

The punch was bad but the kick in the arse didn't seem much. It's the kick in the arse which has seemed to cause uproar in Australia.
 
That would be fantastic. Both the O'hAilpin's are top lads. Sean og fought Steve Collins in a charity boxing match the other week.
 
I'm surprised it's actually got coverage over your way.

But yeah, a bit of a stink was kicked up - mainly because it was a pre-season intra club match, and the kick at the end (more principle than point). Still, it was a bit of a stupid act, but certainly not worth the uproar it's caused.

BTW, the uproar's nothing to do with him being Irish.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
I'm surprised it's actually got coverage over your way.

But yeah, a bit of a stink was kicked up - mainly because it was a pre-season intra club match, and the kick at the end (more principle than point). Still, it was a bit of a stupid act, but certainly not worth the uproar it's caused.

BTW, the uproar's nothing to do with him being Irish.
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I never thought that for a second.

It was a very stupid thing to do alright. Do you reckon he will be sacked?
 
the coach told him to fight for his place in his team, and the poor bastard took it literally...im a carlton supporter and thought it was pretty shit by him, he was involved in a similar incident last year but not much came of it.
The blues will definitely get rid of him.
 
That's low. Cameron Cloke won't be forgetting it soon either. Apparently when Setanta went to apologise, Cloke just told him to forget about it and that it was in the past.


I don't really care, Carlton are overrated IMO. Won't make the finals.
 
Decotron said:
People are mad like that, Ive seen way worse on the training pitch in both soccer and especially GAA.
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Yea exactly. And if that was the case, most of the players should have been banned for the Australia v Ireland mixed rules competition where they used to kick the living shit out of each other.
 
Punch ups happen all the time on training grounds in the AFL but to kick your own team mate after you've already laid him out on the ground is as low as it gets and if O'hailpin played for my club and did that I'd want the book thrown at him for sure.

Can't believe you've all taken the opposite view. I'll assume you didn't realise it was an intra club match and that Cloke is actually his team mate.
 
The kick was silly. Knocking your team mate unconcious in training is far more serious. He punched him when when he wasn't able to defend himself and he is lucky more serious damage wasn't done.
 
Wibble said:
The kick was silly. Knocking your team mate unconcious in training is far more serious. He punched him when when he wasn't able to defend himself and he is lucky more serious damage wasn't done.
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I wonder if criminal charges will follow given that the footage is in the public arena?
 
Wouldnt the other player have to file them? That was a great punch I have say the other guy turned right into it and he nailed him right in the kisser, the between the legs kick was a bit much those. Men will be men.
 
Melbourne Red said:
Punch ups happen all the time on training grounds in the AFL but to kick your own team mate after you've already laid him out on the ground is as low as it gets and if O'hailpin played for my club and did that I'd want the book thrown at him for sure.

Can't believe you've all taken the opposite view. I'll assume you didn't realise it was an intra club match and that Cloke is actually his team mate.
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I most certainly dont take the opposite view MR!

Ó'hAilpín is a twat for doing that, what the feck made him lay into Cloke - its well out of order & a disgrace to do so. Imagine he had of broken his jaw or done damage, meaning the guy was out injured before the season even begins & he loses pre-season training & we all know how important that is!

The kick on the ground reminded me of a pub fight, where the guys laid out & the other guy is goin - "take that you cnut - get up & fight or just lay there like a dog - i got the better of you.." Its the equivalent of spitting on him if you ask me!

This sort of thing happens all the time i guess, but the follow-up kick when the guy Cloke was down is the difference & shows a lack of being a man!

Ó'hAilpín deserves all he gets :nono:
 
After some of the scenes in 2006, it's a bit pathetic that you're all acting so noble now. Some of our players were in a lot more physical danger, especially when going for marks, than Cloke, and all you lot did was cheer.

Bunch of fecking hypocrites.
 
Melbourne Red said:
Punch ups happen all the time on training grounds in the AFL but to kick your own team mate after you've already laid him out on the ground is as low as it gets and if O'hailpin played for my club and did that I'd want the book thrown at him for sure.

Can't believe you've all taken the opposite view. I'll assume you didn't realise it was an intra club match and that Cloke is actually his team mate.
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I would have thought the punch was worse than the kick. There was nothing in the kick. But didn't the punch knock him out?

I don't take the opposite view to you at all. I think he should be banned but there is no way I think he should be sacked. Stuff like this happens all the time in most sports.
 
PJ said:
After some of the scenes in 2006, it's a bit pathetic that you're all acting so noble now. Some of our players were in a lot more physical danger, especially when going for marks, than Cloke, and all you lot did was cheer.

Bunch of fecking hypocrites.
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That's a fair point.
 
PJ said:
After some of the scenes in 2006, it's a bit pathetic that you're all acting so noble now. Some of our players were in a lot more physical danger, especially when going for marks, than Cloke, and all you lot did was cheer.

Bunch of fecking hypocrites.
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Thats a very good point man!

I dont agree with any level of violence in sport, apart from voluntary violence such as boxing, UFC etc - its not sport otherwise & is in fact a criminal act!
 
PJ said:
After some of the scenes in 2006, it's a bit pathetic that you're all acting so noble now. Some of our players were in a lot more physical danger, especially when going for marks, than Cloke, and all you lot did was cheer.

Bunch of fecking hypocrites.
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You don't half know what you're talking about.

This physical danger you speak of is what every single one of our players at any level goes though each and every week.

Cloke got smacked in the face whilst he was on his knees, by his own team mate, during a intra-club practice match. He then got a kick up the arse whilst he was down. There's a fecking difference.

Now I'm not excusing the roughousing your lads copped during some of those games - because some of it was way over the top, especially since your lot aren't used to physical contact, and our lot are all professional sportsmen - but feck me don't talk about shit you clearly don't understand.
 
Rubbish.

The irish lads know all about playing physical sports, the crap the aussies dished out in 2006 was a disgrace and just down right dangerous.

As for Setanta - great bloke and a very nice guy. Not a bad word to say about him and this incident is completely out of charactor for the lad i knew.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
You don't half know what you're talking about.

This physical danger you speak of is what every single one of our players at any level goes though each and every week.

Cloke got smacked in the face whilst he was on his knees, by his own team mate, during a intra-club practice match. He then got a kick up the arse whilst he was down. There's a fecking difference.

Now I'm not excusing the roughousing your lads copped during some of those games - because some of it was way over the top, especially since your lot aren't used to physical contact, and our lot are all professional sportsmen - but feck me don't talk about shit you clearly don't understand.
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That's absolutely ridiculous. You've obviously never watched a GAA match in your life if you think there is no physical contact. What the Australian lads were doing in previous matches against Ireland was assault, simple as.

What Setanta did was disgraceful but no worse that what your lads were doing previously. There was nothing to the kick in the arse and the punch was far worse. But just because it was an intra-club match, it doesn't make that assault any worse than what your players did in previous Ireland v Australia matches. Sure they had to cancel the series at one stage because of it.

And just because the GAA lads play an amateur sport, it does not make it less dangerous. In fact, I think it is more commendable that they put their lives & bodies on the line for a sport which they do for the love of the game and not for the money.

And considering these amateur players from an amateur sport who are not used to physical contact (in your head) beat the Australian professional players from a professional sport who are used to all this physical contact in the latest series, then it doesn't say much for the state of your game.
 
ffs. slow news day down under when this happened.

a fight on the training pitch? betycha that's never happened before.
as for this whole rubbish about hitting him when he was down, wtf is that all about. it's not queesnbury rules ffs. they were grappling and setanta got the better of him. the kick up the arse was a just a reminder.
 
I know there's physical contact, I meant to our standards.

You're not allowed to even tackle, let alone hammer a bloke with a hip and shoulder. eg:



That's what I was talking about.
 
Mitch Conor said:
Rubbish.

The irish lads know all about playing physical sports, the crap the aussies dished out in 2006 was a disgrace and just down right dangerous.

As for Setanta - great bloke and a very nice guy. Not a bad word to say about him and this incident is completely out of charactor for the lad i knew.
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See above.

And as for Setanta, someone called in (right after the incident) and said that the niggling was going on for a while before all that. So chances are Cloke's not entirely innocent.

Though Setanta does have a history of getting really fired up.
 
Name Changed said:
That's absolutely ridiculous. You've obviously never watched a GAA match in your life if you think there is no physical contact. What the Australian lads were doing in previous matches against Ireland was assault, simple as.

What Setanta did was disgraceful but no worse that what your lads were doing previously. There was nothing to the kick in the arse and the punch was far worse. But just because it was an intra-club match, it doesn't make that assault any worse than what your players did in previous Ireland v Australia matches. Sure they had to cancel the series at one stage because of it.

And just because the GAA lads play an amateur sport, it does not make it less dangerous. In fact, I think it is more commendable that they put their lives & bodies on the line for a sport which they do for the love of the game and not for the money.

And considering these amateur players from an amateur sport who are not used to physical contact (in your head) beat the Australian professional players from a professional sport who are used to all this physical contact in the latest series, then it doesn't say much for the state of your game.
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Haha, firstly I hope you realise the side that your lot played was nowhere near the best we could've put out. There were some well-average players representing Australia.

But then again it's only fair as like I, and you have said; ours is a professional sport whilst yours is a sport of pride.

And what you fail to grasp is that, like I said (once again) anyone who plays AFL, no matter what level (and in fact it's a LOT worse at grassroots club level, a feckload worse - old khunts punching you behind play, deliberately running you through when you're not looking, going for the face/head, etc etc) goes though exactly what your lot did. That's my point, we're used to it.

But what we're not used to is having your own teammate belt you out, then kick you while you're down. The fact you guy aren't used to it, and therefor see them both (that being the roughhousing and the fight) in the same light is not only wrong, but irrelevant.

If you fail to grasp these concepts then I'm at a loss.
 
Oh, so because these acts of cowardly violence are condoned in the AFL, it makes what they did to the irish lads that bit more ok.
 
Mitch Conor said:
Oh, so because these acts of cowardly violence are condoned in the AFL, it makes what they did to the irish lads that bit more ok.
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For christ sake, note this:

me said:
Now I'm not excusing the roughousing your lads copped during some of those games - because some of it was way over the top.
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And if you can be bothered trawl through all the other Gaelic/hybrid series threads and you'll see my lambasting the players behaviour towards your lot.

Now, I'll explain again - WE are used to all that, WE are NOT used to having our own teammates punch us out and then kick us when we're down. That's a dog act.

Comparing what happened in the '06 series, to this, from your side is just plain wrong. Especially when you've wrongly labelled us as hypocrites because of it.

That's a pretty simple concept. Surely you grasp it?
 
hey, I resemble that remark!

It's the Fijian blood in O'Hailpin that makes him so volatile. lucky for Cloke that Setanta is only half. he'd have ripped his head off otherwise. ;)

honestly, if this wasn't caught on camera would there be such a big deal? I doubt it.
 
Personally I have seen worse fights with people skipping the queue for communion at mass at sunday....

This is nothing
 
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