Serie A 90's Draft SF - 2mufc0/Invictus vs Moby/Pat Mustard

Who would win in the following draft game with all players at their Serie A 90's peak?


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TEAM 2MUFC0/INVICTUS
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TEAM MOBY/PAT_MUSTARD


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2MUFC0/INVICTUS TACTICS

Player Profiles

Standing 6’ 2 (1.88m), and supremely athletic – particularly for the era in which he played – Tacconi cut an imposing figure for opposing strikers, often panicking them into making mistakes which then allowed him to make comfortable saves. He would concede 29 goals in his first season, winning the Scudetto, but it would be in European action where he truly made the difference, starting a trend that would continue throughout his time with the club. More info here.

Strong, quick athletic fullback able to defend and attack, Serie A peak with Inter in 1996-97 ESM team of the year, consistently one of the better right backs during his time in Serie A.

Nicknamed lo Zar, Vierchowod was a tenacious and physical left-footed centre-back, who possessed great pace; regarded as one of Italy's best ever defenders, during his career, he was considered one of the fastest defenders in the world, and one of the toughest Serie A defenders of the 1980s and the 1990s, due to his immense strength, tight marking of opponents, and hard tackling style of play. More here.

Tudor was considered one of Croatia's best defenders in the period between the late 1990s and mid-2000s. Tudor was a large, hard-working, strong and imposing defender who excelled in the air, making him a dangerous goal threat during set pieces. He was also a tight man-marker and a hard tackling defender, with great tactical intelligence. More here

Complimenting Angloma we have Robert Jarni known for his work up and down the flank, like Angloma able to man the flank in attack aswell as defence.

Energetic, strong and technical midfielder who played for Sampdoria in the mid 90's. Karembeu had taken to Serie A with aplomb, becoming one of the league’s most accomplished players. “I had never seen anyone with a greater work capacity,” admitted Eriksson in his 2013 book Sven: My Story. “When he ran intervals in training, nobody could keep up.” As intimidated as they were by his athletic prowess, however, Karembeu ingratiated himself immediately, and not just because of his commensurate technical gifts. Respectful and learned, it was no surprise when his teammates donned t-shirts protesting the French government’s nuclear testing on New Caledonian territory in 1995. On and off the field, he became one of the team’s most important references. More here.

"Nicknamed "The Rock", due to his consistency, strength, and hard-tackling playing style, Desailly is considered one of the most accomplished players of his generation, and one of the finest French defenders ever, who stood out for his leadership and ability to break down opposition plays throughout his career. A quick, hard-working, tenacious, and powerful player, who excelled in the air and at anticipating his opponentts, he combined his aggression, stamina, and ability to read the game, as well as his physical, mental, and defensive skills, with a notable confidence on the ball, which also allowed him to play in the midfield throughout his career; indeed, after moving to Milan, although he initially started out playing as a centre-back or sweeper, and occasionally even as a full-back, he was later deployed as a defensive midfielder, a position in which he also excelled, successfully filling the void left by the departure of Frank Rijkaard due his ball-winning abilities and capacity to start attacking plays after obtaining winning back possession. In addition to his defensive skills, he was also capable of contributing to his team's offensive plays with goals by making attacking runs into the box."

Nicknamed Zorro, Boban was a talented and creative yet tenacious player, known for his use of feints to beat opponents. He was gifted with excellent vision, passing range, dribbling skills, technical ability, and an eye for the final ball; he mixed these attributes with a unique tactical versatility and intelligence, which enabled him to be deployed in several midfield and offensive positions throughout his career. In addition to his preferred playmaking role behind the forwards as an attacking midfielder, he was also capable of playing on the wing, as a central midfielder, or even as a supporting striker, due to his powerful and accurate bending shots from distance; he was also effective from set-pieces. Throughout his career, he also became known for his vocal presence, determination and aggression on the pitch, as well as his strong character. More here.

The man doesn't need any introduction, one of the best players in the draft and most consider his best club football was played at Juve. The heart of the team. Wiki page.

Ravanelli was a quick, dynamic, physically strong, and hardworking left-footed striker, with notable temperament, who was known for his eye for goal, as well as his energy and defensive contribution off the ball, which often saw him drop back into deeper possessions in order to help his team win back possession. Although he was initially not the most naturally talented or skilful player, he was able to improve his technique and movement significantly during his time with Juventus, where he established himself as a top striker. A prolific goalscorer, who was good in the air, and who possessed a powerful and accurate shot, in addition to his ability to score goals, Ravanelli was also capable of playing off of his team-mates, due to his link-up play, which, combined with his other skills, made him a complete forward; this also enabled him to play in a supporting role, as a second striker or even as a winger, positions in which he often utilised his ability in the air to get on the end of high balls and create chances for other strikers by providing them with headed assists from knockdowns.

Giuseppe Signori

A player that rarely gets mentioned or used in drafts so we thought it would be good opportunity to showcase this magnificent striker especially in the context of this draft. Playing in one of the toughest and defensive leagues during the 90's it's quite the feat that Signori was Serie A top scorer in 92, 93 and 95 and Copa Italia top scorer in 92 and 97. In this period he scored 151 goals in 260 Serie A games, there is no doubt he is the best goalscorer in this draft. However he wasn't just a goal scorer or poacher he possessed fantastic pace and was a very good dribbler allowing him to create chances for himself and his team mates. He was often deployed as an inside left forward which also allowed him to work the channel to great effect and pick up the ball from deeper positions. He was also a great penalty and free kick taker, being only 1 of two players in Serie A history to score a hat trick from free kicks.

A short overview of his career at this link.


Tactics

After the reinforcement fiasco we haven't significantly changed our system, Ravanelli comes in for Bierhoff. Our best player Zidane remains in his favoured inside- left attacking midfield position and the team has been built around him. Karembeu and Desailly will be behind him creating a strong base to build from, while Boban will supplement our creative play from midfield, he will also drift wide right supporting Angloma in attack. The formation is flexible and the team can change fluidly according to match situations.

We will also utilise Boban's fantastic engine which allows him to tuck back into midfield when defending. Also with bringing Desailly into the team we have a proven partnership with Boban, both winning 4 Serie A titles and Desailly 2 together.

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To provide width we have Jarni and Angloma who can dart down the wings, with Signori linking up with Jarni on the left and Boban with Angloma on the right. With service from wide areas and Zidane in central areas, Signori/Ravanelli will have plenty of chances to score and in his Serie A form he is at the peak of his powers. We have two of the best goalscorers available in this draft, who guarantee goals.

In defence, Vierchowod and Tudor will be at the heart, Vierchowod is one of the best Serie A defenders of all time and Tudor was one of Juve's best CB's during that period. Both are pure defenders, physical, intelligent and great in the air, they will be extremely tough to break down. Jarni and Angloma are the full backs, both defensively solid. In front of the defenders is Desailly, perhaps the best midfield destroyer of all time, the team has a very strong defensive spine. In goal Tacconi will provide that last line of defence, considered to be in the top 5 Italian keepers of all time.

MOBY/PAT_MUSTARD TACTICS

Formation: 3-4-1-2

A classic Serie A formation, and a familiar one for our era-defining centre forward Gabriel Batistuta, who tore up Serie A for most of the decade and played a similar setup for Fiorentina. We've bolstered our team with the all-time great stopper Jurgen Kohler, who was at the peak of his considerable powers during his four seasons at Juventus.

Goalkeeper: Luca Marchegiani. Boasting both an impressive peak and top-notch longevity, Marchegiani was a first-choice GK for the entire decade in Serie A, first at Torino and later at Lazio.

Defence: Two top-quality stoppers in Cannavaro and Kohler flank our sweeper Luca Fusi. Fusi played much of his career as a midfielder before dropping back to play as a sweeper with distinction during his final two seasons with Torino. Torino boasted the fifth and sixth best defensive records respectively in those two Serie A seasons, and Fusi was ranked by Dbscalcio.it as their first and second best player respectively. His intelligent reading of the game and good distribution will kickstart our transitions here, and in the defensive phase he’s amply protected by two monstrous defenders in Cannavaro and Kohler. Kohler was the mainstay of a miserly Juve defence , while Cannavaro’s credentials as one of the all-time great Italian defenders speak for themselves.

At wing back, Alberto Di Chiari will run our left flank. An industrious and creative converted winger, he impressed for an excellent Parma team in the same role. At RWB is the legendary Cafu, entering his athletic peak during this time-frame aged 27-30.

Midfield: The voracious ball-winner Matias Almeyda reprises his Serie A winning partnership with Juan Sebastian Veron. Almeyda won a Guerin d'Oro for his performances with Lazio, and his positional nous, tireless running and strong tackling make him an ideal man for the job of hustling the opposition's classy AM pairing of Boban and Zidane. Beside him, Veron is one of the finest all-around midfielders in the pool, and probably possesses the best playmaking skills of that elite crop. We're not aiming to dominate possession here, but Veron will allow us to establish the requisite level of fluency and control here.

Trequartista: Roberto Mancini takes centre stage here in the role that he revered sufficiently to write a Masters Thesis on it. If the increasingly pervasive Sacchi 4-4-2 orthodoxy led to him playing much of his career in a two-man attacking line, his skill-set and instincts mark him as a classic trequartista. A wonderfully creative talisman who book-ended a decade at the cutting edge of Serie A with a Scudetto win at either side, he was at his zenith during Sampdoria’s 1990-91 triumph. Here, as with Sampdoria, he’ll be at home playing on the counter, and he’ll be in his element supplying two prolific goalscorers.

Attack: Batistuta’s credentials bear comparison with any forward in the draft: 151 goals in 243 Serie A games across the decade, all of them playing outside of the traditional powerhouse clubs for Fiorentina, with a high-water mark of 26 goals in 32 games in 1994-95. He’s in a familiar system here, and he’ll thrive off the creativity of Mancini and his dynamic, hard-running partner Enrico Chiesa, a consistently good performer across the decade who hit an astonishing peak in 1995-96 (playing with one Roberto Mancini at Sampdoria) of 22 goals in 27 Serie A appearances. A scorer of great goals as well as a great goalscorer, Chiesa had an incredible knack for the spectacular from long-range – videos to follow in the match thread.

Why We Will Win:

The opposition have a rich seam of creativty through the centre with Zidane and Boban, and an undeniable goal threat with Signori and Bierhoff. That said:

1) Bierhoff doesn't look a particularly good fit for Zidane and more generally for a team that looks more set up for an intricate passing game rather than putting in crosses. Jarni was a good specialist width-provider, but he faces a torrid individual assignment versus Cafu.

2) Our CBs were brilliant in the air and relished the physical battle, mitigating against Bierhoff's particular skillset.

3) By far the biggest weak area on the pitch is the left-side of the opposition defence. Jarni was a fine attacking presence in his pomp, but he was fairly vulnerable defensively in general and his Serie A credentials specifically aren't particularly good in this company. A mediocre season for a Bari side on their way to relegation, a better season for Torino, followed by his inability to make an impression when he made the step up to Juventus, starting only 9 matches, and coming off the bench 6 times.

A poor fit against the pace and dynamism of Chiesa even at his best, Igor Tudor's credentials are by far the weakest on the pitch, never establishing himself as a starter for Juve and receiving poor ratings even when he did play.

1998-99:
Squad: 31, Starting eleven: 18, Substituted in: 5, On the bench: 8, Suspended: 0, Injured: 0,

1999-00:
Squad: 24, Starting eleven: 7, Substituted in: 10, On the bench: 7, Suspended: 0, Injured: 0

Both teams can score here, but with our more robust defence and no comparable weak points, we'll score more.
 
Interesting. Good thing that I can't vote here :lol:
Both team have some wonderful partnerships and some glaring (at this stage) weaknesses, which one will prevail?
 
We should at least win a few votes for tricking them into writing a few paragraphs about Bierhoff :lol:.
 
Why We Will Win:

The opposition have a rich seam of creativty through the centre with Zidane and Boban, and an undeniable goal threat with Signori and Bierhoff. That said:

1) Bierhoff doesn't look a particularly good fit for Zidane and more generally for a team that looks more set up for an intricate passing game rather than putting in crosses. Jarni was a good specialist width-provider, but he faces a torrid individual assignment versus Cafu.

2) Our CBs were brilliant in the air and relished the physical battle, mitigating against Bierhoff's particular skillset.
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A special treat for you all, for this next Semi ritual
As we're joined by current United star, Demi Mitchell
Well I say star, I suppose he is on loan at Hearts
But on recent evidence, his form for them farts
All over the faces of Luke Shaw and Young
Who are both of them playing like elephant dung,
Anyway, thanks for joining us both for this second Semi,
I'm not sure who will win - what do you reckon, Demi?

"It's a tricky one, sinch, the Invictoids looks sound
But they're lucky to be here, having lost in the first round
And the Mustards look strong, they've got that Batistuta
Who I sometimes pick, when playing on the computer
And that's the thing, sinch, it's really a ball ache
They all played before I was born, for feck's sake."

Yeah, I s'pose that's a problem, feck me I feel old
Anyway, let's get started, my balls are all cold
Sitting up here in this make believe stadium
Thinking up rhymes, really stretching my cranium,
And for the sake of this piece, we will skip to half time
And look back on that first half, and do so in rhyme.

The first chance occurred when Signori beat Kohler
Who got his wires crossed, like an old Motorola,
But our mate Giuseppe smacked it off the post
Not a great effort, for someone who's the most
Prolific goalscorer in this whole cocking draft
And if you think that I'm checking that, please don't be daft
It's probably wrong, like licking a poodle's hair
But reminder: all complaints go to @noodlehair.

The first goal was Chiesa's, from a fine bit of skill
A bit like his wife when she came off the pill
And gave birth to another fine player, Fed'rico
Who's your age, Demi, but better, like Zico
"Yeah piss off sinch, I'm better at football than you
Anyway, that goal was all down to Cafu
What a sprint down the flank, and what a great cross
Dinked over Tudor's head, and I don't give a toss
If a full back like that does no real defending
If he makes goals like that, there'll be a happy ending"

Well that me think of a night back in Thailand
At the end of a massage, and not by my hand
And I have to admit, I wasn't really watching
When Zidane or Boban or Jarni were notching
A goal for Invictoids, but one of them did
And it was one all at half time - this could go to the wire, kid.
 
A special treat for you all, for this next Semi ritual
As we're joined by current United star, Demi Mitchell
Well I say star, I suppose he is on loan at Hearts
But on recent evidence, his form for them farts
All over the faces of Luke Shaw and Young
Who are both of them playing like elephant dung,
Anyway, thanks for joining us both for this second Semi,
I'm not sure who will win - what do you reckon, Demi?

"It's a tricky one, sinch, the Invictoids looks sound
But they're lucky to be here, having lost in the first round
And the Mustards look strong, they've got that Batistuta
Who I sometimes pick, when playing on the computer
And that's the thing, sinch, it's really a ball ache
They all played before I was born, for feck's sake."

Yeah, I s'pose that's a problem, feck me I feel old
Anyway, let's get started, my balls are all cold
Sitting up here in this make believe stadium
Thinking up rhymes, really stretching my cranium,
And for the sake of this piece, we will skip to half time
And look back on that first half, and do so in rhyme.

The first chance occurred when Signori beat Kohler
Who got his wires crossed, like an old Motorola,
But our mate Giuseppe smacked it off the post
Not a great effort, for someone who's the most
Prolific goalscorer in this whole cocking draft
And if you think that I'm checking that, please don't be daft
It's probably wrong, like licking a poodle's hair
But reminder: all complaints go to @noodlehair.

The first goal was Chiesa's, from a fine bit of skill
A bit like his wife when she came off the pill
And gave birth to another fine player, Fed'rico
Who's your age, Demi, but better, like Zico
"Yeah piss off sinch, I'm better at football than you
Anyway, that goal was all down to Cafu
What a sprint down the flank, and what a great cross
Dinked over Tudor's head, and I don't give a toss
If a full back like that does no real defending
If he makes goals like that, there'll be a happy ending"

Well that me think of a night back in Thailand
At the end of a massage, and not by my hand
And I have to admit, I wasn't really watching
When Zidane or Boban or Jarni were notching
A goal for Invictoids, but one of them did
And it was one all at half time - this could go to the wire, kid.
Busy?
 
The second half started with a massive barney
Involving Almeyda, Mancini and Jarni
Three yellow cards later, the match settled down
But it made Mustard and Moby's pants brown
Cos Almeyda was the one who was watching Zidane
And now he was just one card away from a ban
And it didn't take long for Zizou to clock it
Skip over his challenge, then nonchantly knock it
Through for Signori, to finally score
2-1 to Invictoids, and could there be more
Goals for them in this imaginary match?
Unfortunately not, no, like a flash of snatch,
They were teased into thinking their dreams would come true
But they just couldn't cope with the runs of Cafu.

The Mustardmen levelled when his cross was turned in
By Mancini the cockend, who I wish had burned in
A terrible house fire, and I know that's awful to say
But maybe then City would not have had their way
Back in Twenty-Twelve- it still makes me scream 'Noooo!'
When I hear Martin Tyler shouting 'Agueerooooo!'
And a similar nightmare hit Invictus' lot
When Tudor lost Veron, and he hit a shot
That should have been saved, but that nobend Tacconi
Folded up in a heap, just like a Calzone
And let the ball squirt through his goalkeeper gloves
3-2 for the Mustards, and that's all, my loves
Thanks to Demi for coming, and watching this goalfest
See you in the final, let's hope it's the greatest
Match up of all time. I'm hoping for that.
"Yeah thanks sinch, enjoyed it, though you're such a tw*t."
 
The second half started with a massive barney
Involving Almeyda, Mancini and Jarni
Three yellow cards later, the match settled down
But it made Mustard and Moby's pants brown
Cos Almeyda was the one who was watching Zidane
And now he was just one card away from a ban
And it didn't take long for Zizou to clock it
Skip over his challenge, then nonchantly knock it
Through for Signori, to finally score
2-1 to Invictoids, and could there be more
Goals for them in this imaginary match?
Unfortunately not, no, like a flash of snatch,
They were teased into thinking their dreams would come true
But they just couldn't cope with the runs of Cafu.

The Mustardmen levelled when his cross was turned in
By Mancini the cockend, who I wish had burned in
A terrible house fire, and I know that's awful to say
But maybe then City would not have had their way
Back in Twenty-Twelve- it still makes me scream 'Noooo!'
When I hear Martin Tyler shouting 'Agueerooooo!'
And a similar nightmare hit Invictus' lot
When Tudor lost Veron, and he hit a shot
That should have been saved, but that nobend Tacconi
Folded up in a heap, just like a Calzone
And let the ball squirt through his goalkeeper gloves
3-2 for the Mustards, and that's all, my loves
Thanks to Demi for coming, and watching this goalfest
See you in the final, let's hope it's the greatest
Match up of all time. I'm hoping for that.
"Yeah thanks sinch, enjoyed it, though you're such a tw*t."
As Yoda would say "Wasted here you are"
 
Reminds me of Joyce. And I'm not talking about Warren
 
Tudor at this stage is a massive let down, even at his peak I wouldn't trust him to face a counter attacking wave consisting of Batigol and Chiesa, but given the completeness and incredible goal threat that they pack between the two of them, Tudor is massively out of his depth here, especially having another player with dubious Serie A credentials next to him.

This man started 25 games in this period and he's facing that striker duo of Batistuta and Chiesa!

With Cafu marauding down that flank against Jarni along with one of Chiesa and Batigol isolating Tudor, that would be a very fruitful zone for us and quite possibly match deciding.
 
Not a single defender from their team would get into ours.

Indeed, there is a bit of gulf in class of the two defenses. While Vierchowod is a very effective stopper, he has the responsibility of marshalling that defense which lacks a calm presence at the back, something that is highly required when you are facing the kind of brute power supplied by exquisite creative players.

On the other hand you have two of the best defenders in the decade in Jurgen Kohler and Fabio Cannavaro, who are tasked with the primary defensive duties and are well supported with a dependable sweeper and two dangerous fullbacks, one of them being Cafu at his physical prime.
 
We knew the draft ended for us after the reinforcements, but I have no regrets as it was either go for bust or nothing. We needed the cream of the crop to compete with @harms juggernaut team and @Enigma_87 @The Red Viper team were also a few reinforcements away from creating a beast too.

Good luck @Pat_Mustard @Moby in the final.
 
Aye, good luck in the final @Moby @Pat_Mustard; and cheers @2mufc0 for modding the draft. :)

In retrospect, everything that could go wrong in reinforcement did go wrong - once we were locked on to Baresi and Van Basten, there was no going back because taking a chance on the likes of Davids/Nedvěd/Nesta meant potential miscalculation with the risk of failure looming large, and others nabbing the Milan duo - so we were kinda shafted either way as regards our top handful of choices. No Ragrets, though - harms picking Rijkaard and Davids, uncontested, to go with that central defense core and Fenômeno + Del Piero up front was a real turning point in the draft, and we had to keep our poker face on and quite literally go for broke.
 
Boy, why would you give up so soon?

For me Desailly is worth his weight in gold here considering the central nature of opposition attack and Zidane/Boban are quite tasty against a midfield with not much of a defensive nous.

Yea, their defence is better and Ravanelli is not ideal, but its in no way a game that deserves to be wrapped up not even half way through.

I was torn between voting for the better looking team and the better tactically working team against the opposition. Went for the latter.

Zidane's team is better suited to deal and create against the opposition than Mancini's.
 
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Fusi/Veron is not strong enough midfield to contain Zidane. He'll run this game here. Fusi should be a full time DM and is wasted as a sweeper considering the already strong D-Line. His presence against Zidane will be missed here and that will prove to be costly.
 
Fusi/Veron is not strong enough midfield to contain Zidane. He'll run this game here. Fusi should be a full time DM and is wasted as a sweeper considering the already strong D-Line. His presence against Zidane will be missed here and that will prove to be costly.
There's an arrow on him to precisely define that role which is also completely in line with his playing style given he's played a defensive midfielder for a large chunk of his career and would obviously drop in front of the defense to provide the cushion to the two heavyweight CBs marshalling the backline.

It's nowhere near the mismatch that is Tudor against our strikers or Jarni vs Cafu.
 
Fusi/Veron is not strong enough midfield to contain Zidane. He'll run this game here. Fusi should be a full time DM and is wasted as a sweeper considering the already strong D-Line. His presence against Zidane will be missed here and that will prove to be costly.
Also, why did you take Almeyda out of the equation, a Guerin D'oro winner and playing with his partner in crime in midfield?
 
Love Moby and Pat's team. It just bleeds Serie A.

Such an anti-climax for Invictus and 2mufc0 that they couldn't reinforce. Some lovely picks on the way there - Angloma at r5 and Karembeu at 9 were steals. Was bowled over by some of Karembeu's performances for Sampdoria, thought he really outperformed Seedorf there.
 
Love Moby and Pat's team. It just bleeds Serie A.

Such an anti-climax for Invictus and 2mufc0 that they couldn't reinforce. Some lovely picks on the way there - Angloma at r5 and Karembeu at 9 were steals. Was bowled over by some of Karembeu's performances for Sampdoria, thought he really outperformed Seedorf there.
Cheers Gio. Agree about Karembeu probably played his best football there.
 
We knew the draft ended for us after the reinforcements, but I have no regrets as it was either go for bust or nothing. We needed the cream of the crop to compete with @harms juggernaut team and @Enigma_87 @The Red Viper team were also a few reinforcements away from creating a beast too.

Good luck @Pat_Mustard @Moby in the final.

Should have let us get Van Basten ffs. :mad::mad::mad::(:(:(
 
We knew the draft ended for us after the reinforcements, but I have no regrets as it was either go for bust or nothing. We needed the cream of the crop to compete with @harms juggernaut team and @Enigma_87 @The Red Viper team were also a few reinforcements away from creating a beast too.

Good luck @Pat_Mustard @Moby in the final.

Aye, good luck in the final @Moby @Pat_Mustard; and cheers @2mufc0 for modding the draft. :)

In retrospect, everything that could go wrong in reinforcement did go wrong - once we were locked on to Baresi and Van Basten, there was no going back because taking a chance on the likes of Davids/Nedvěd/Nesta meant potential miscalculation with the risk of failure looming large, and others nabbing the Milan duo - so we were kinda shafted either way as regards our top handful of choices. No Ragrets, though - harms picking Rijkaard and Davids, uncontested, to go with that central defense core and Fenômeno + Del Piero up front was a real turning point in the draft, and we had to keep our poker face on and quite literally go for broke.

Thanks lads but it's still very early days here :). I was initially delighted with the reinforcements as we strengthened more than 2 of the other 3 remaining teams, but looking at the upwards trajectory of harms' team ever since the first reinforcement round it's not looking so great now :lol:
 
Love Moby and Pat's team. It just bleeds Serie A.

Such an anti-climax for Invictus and 2mufc0 that they couldn't reinforce. Some lovely picks on the way there - Angloma at r5 and Karembeu at 9 were steals. Was bowled over by some of Karembeu's performances for Sampdoria, thought he really outperformed Seedorf there.

Cheers Gio. Agreed on Karembeu. Good pick that late on and a good foil for his more celebrated teammates in midfield here.
 
I'm leaving this here as I was dismayed to see it's only got 15 fecking views, most of which are probably me :lol: and also tagging the Don of all-touches compilations @Šjor Bepo for one more view. There'll probably never be another draft theme where Mancini, with only one European Cup/CL campaign and an unexceptional international career, will feature so prominently. A shame, as he was a fecking brilliant footballer. I included some random bits of him bollocking referees just to give some idea of what a hyper-committed lunatic the guy was, but I should have included some more of his tracking back when out of possession, as he was frequently back on the edge of his own area defending after he moved back to the AM position.

 
I'm leaving this here as I was dismayed to see it's only got 15 fecking views, most of which are probably me :lol: and also tagging the Don of all-touches compilations @Šjor Bepo for one more view. There'll probably never be another draft theme where Mancini, with only one European Cup/CL campaign and an unexceptional international career, will feature so prominently. A shame, as he was a fecking brilliant footballer. I included some random bits of him bollocking referees just to give some idea of what a hyper-committed lunatic the guy was, but I should have included some more of his tracking back when out of possession, as he was frequently back on the edge of his own area defending after he moved back to the AM position.


Costacurta and Maldini look like Smalling and Jones here :lol:
 
Boy, why would you give up so soon?

For me Desailly is worth his weight in gold here considering the central nature of opposition attack and Zidane/Boban are quite tasty against a midfield with not much of a defensive nous.

Yea, their defence is better and Ravanelli is not ideal, but its in no way a game that deserves to be wrapped up not even half way through.

I was torn between voting for the better looking team and the better tactically working team against the opposition. Went for the latter.

Zidane's team is better suited to deal and create against the opposition than Mancini's.

Thanks for the vote and support mate. TBH Moby and Pat are right that Tudor doesn't belong in the semis, in earlier rounds when the opposition are fielding similar types of players you can get away with it, but in the semis and esp when the opposition is fielding the likes of Cannavaro and Kohler it's a huge disadvantage. It wasn't worth the time to argue over this.

But overall i agree with your assessment, if we managed to get a better defender and upgraded our striker i think we would have had a great chance here in terms of tactics.
 
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Thanks for the vote and support mate. TBH Moby and Pat are right that Tudor doesn't belong in the semis, in earlier rounds when the opposition are fielding similar types of players you can get away with it, but in the semis and esp when the opposition is fielding the likes of Cannavaro and Kohler it's a huge disadvantage. It wasn't the worth the time to argue over this.

But overall i agree with your assessment, if we managed to get a better defender and upgraded our striker i think we would have had a great chance here in terms of tactics.

Cheers mate. A good game despite the scoreline. Although one that deserved more discussion.
Especially @Invictus giving up so soon was surprising.
 
Thanks for the vote and support mate. TBH Moby and Pat are right that Tudor doesn't belong in the semis, in earlier rounds when the opposition are fielding similar types of players you can get away with it, but in the semis and esp when the opposition is fielding the likes of Cannavaro and Kohler it's a huge disadvantage. It wasn't the worth the time to argue over this.

But overall i agree with your assessment, if we managed to get a better defender and upgraded our striker i think we would have had a great chance here in terms of tactics.
Well we did ourselves in the reinforcement rounds. Ravanelli and Tudor at this stage, considering Baresi/MvB option was really underwhelming.

With proper upgrades you guys would've got one helluva team.
 
Costacurta and Maldini look like Smalling and Jones here :lol:

:lol: Yeah, it's weird watching those rare games when that Milan defence looks human.

We'll make our reinforcement pick soon btw. Just mulling over some options.

Hard luck @2mufc0 and @Invictus . Even with just one upgrade for Tudor, never mind getting in MVB, this would have been a really close match.
 
cheers for the tag pat, great watch and a brilliant player. Shame really he doesnt get picked as plenty of lesser players drift in and around drafts and tbh he doesnt need international career as he proved himself pretty much at highest level in that Serie A era. Same applies for Signori.