Say it aint so Joe?

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Bobby Knight and now Joe... tainted legends:


November 8, 2011
Penn State Said to Be Planning Paterno Exit Amid Scandal
By MARK VIERA and PETE THAMEL


STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Joe Paterno’s tenure as coach of the Penn State football team will soon be over, perhaps within days or weeks, in the wake of a sex-abuse scandal that has implicated university officials, according to two people briefed on conversations among the university’s top officials.

The board of trustees has yet to determine the precise timing of Mr. Paterno’s exit, but it is clear that the man who has more victories than any other coach at college football’s top level and who made Penn State a prestigious national brand will not survive to coach another season. Discussions about how to manage his departure have begun, according to the two people.

Mr. Paterno was to have held a news conference Tuesday but the university canceled it less than an hour before it was scheduled to start.

Mr. Paterno’s day-to-day status with the program could be affected by the attorney general’s investigation. In explaining his actions, Mr. Paterno has publicly said he was not told of the graphic nature of an alleged 2002 assault by the assistant coach Jerry Sandusky of a young boy in the football building’s showers. He said the graduate assistant coach who reported the assault, Mike McQueary, said only that something disturbing had happened that was perhaps sexual in nature.

But on Tuesday a person with knowledge of Mr. McQueary’s version of events called Mr. Paterno’s claim into question. The person said that Mr. McQueary had told those in authority the explicit details of what he saw, including in his face-to-face meeting with Mr. Paterno the day after the incident.

At age 84 and in his 46th season as the Penn State head coach, Mr. Paterno has had an extraordinary run of success: one that produced tens of millions of dollars and two national football championships for the university and established him as a revered leader in sports, but one that will end with a stunning and humiliating final chapter.

Mr. Sandusky, a former defensive coordinator under Mr. Paterno, has been charged with sexually abusing eight boys across a 15-year period, and Mr. Paterno has been widely criticized for failing to involve the police when he learned of the allegation of the assault of the young boy in 2002.

Additionally, two top university officials — Gary Schultz, the senior vice president for finance and business, and Tim Curley, the athletic director — were charged with perjury and failure to report to authorities what they knew of the allegations, as required by state law.

Since Mr. Sandusky’s arrest Saturday, officials at Penn State — notably its president, Graham B. Spanier, and Mr. Paterno — have come under withering criticism for a failure to act adequately after learning, at different points over the years, that Mr. Sandusky might have been abusing children. Newspapers have called for their resignations; prosecutors have suggested their inaction led to more children being harmed by Mr. Sandusky; and students and faculty at the university have expressed a mix of disgust and confusion, and a hope that much of what prosecutors have charged is not true.

On Monday law enforcement officials said that Mr. Paterno had met his legal obligation in alerting his superiors at the university when he learned of the 2002 allegation against Mr. Sandusky. But they suggested he might well have failed a moral test for what to do when confronted with such a disturbing allegation involving a child not even in his teens. No one at the university alerted the police or pursued the matter to determine the well-being of the child involved. The identity of that child remains unknown, according to the attorney general.

Mr. Paterno has not been charged in the matter, but his failure to report to authorities what he knew about the 2002 incident has become a flashpoint, stirring anger on the board and an outpouring of public criticism about his handling of the matter.

In recent days Mr. Paterno has lost the support of many board members, and their conversations illustrate a decisive shift in the power structure at the university. In 2004, for instance, Mr. Paterno brushed off a request by the university president that he step down.

Mr. Paterno came to Penn State in 1950 as a 23-year-old assistant coach making $3,600 a year. He planned to stay for two seasons, to pay off his student loans from Brown University, where he earned a degree in English literature.

He became the head coach in 1966, and he has been widely credited with helping elevate the Penn State football program and the rest of the university from a local enterprise into a national brand. Along the way, Beaver Stadium grew to 108,000 seats from 29,000 and Penn State’s endowment grew from virtually nothing to more than $1 billion.

What separated Mr. Paterno from many of his coaching peers until this week was that he did this with few questions about how he grew the program. Penn State’s high graduation rates and education-first ideals, known as Paterno’s Grand Experiment, became as synonymous with the program as its plain uniforms and dominating defenses.

Mr. Paterno led Penn State to national titles in the 1982 and 1986 seasons, and he complemented the on-field success with the reputation of a throwback sideline professor, whose tie, thick glasses and black Nike coaching shoes became as predictable in Northeast autumns as the changing foliage.

Mr. Paterno’s reach on campus extended well beyond the football program. He and his wife, Sue, have donated more than $4 million to the university. On campus, everything from an ice cream flavor at the Creamery to a library now bears his name.

“There’s no individual in the entire 120- or 130-year history of the university that has had a greater impact on the institution than Joe Paterno,” Larry Foster, a former trustee and a president of the alumni association, told The New York Times in 2004. “He’s just reached into so many areas.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/s...aid-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html?_r=1&hp
 
you know just last week I was going to come up with a thread comparing JoePa and SAF. Two legends. As a Penn Stater I am gutted to say the least.
 
He's held in extremely high esteem by the media and until this, he's been one of the most respected people in sports. A few months ago, he and Mike Krzyzewski shared a stage to talk about leadership and ethics, etc. Both have run programs that are considered above the typical shadiness of most major college sports programs. As a Duke alum, I cannot imagine Coach K ever doing the same thing that Paterno has done. I also can't imagine any of the assistants not handling something similar properly. We had our ordeal in 2006 with the Duke Lacrosse case when everything the coaches, players, and local officials did was under insane scrutiny. Despite not being involved, Coach K offered his help to the President of the university if it was needed. He's the most powerful man at the school and was willing to take leadership in the issue despite not being involved. The two of them are fairly similar. Both are the winningest(or will be in the next two weeks) coaches in their respective sports. They have demonstrated leadership over a long period of time and have run clean programs. They do it "the right way." Until this time, it appears JoePa didn't.

From what is known now, it seems like Paterno did the opposite. He passed the buck without making any concrete steps to solve the problem. Admittedly, he shouldn't have been involved in the first place. The man who saw the shower incident should have gone to the police. Not Paterno. Still, once he did, Paterno's first step should have been to call the police. The athletics administrators failed their jobs miserably in this and should also have gone to the police. In a program full of grown men(most of them fathers), none of them did the right thing. Legally, Paterno may be solid, but ethically, he failed miserably. It could be a result of his age, but he didn't do the right thing.

As one of the few deified college coaches, he's got a great deal of public goodwill, but he's failed to meet the standard that has been attributed to him. I like to think that the coach closest to me, Coach K, would never let such a thing occur so I can understand the disbelief and emotion from Penn State fans. However, I don't think he can reasonably go on.
 
It's disgusting that all those rioters would care more about the coach of a sports team than a raped child.
 
CNN reporting that the NCAA have fined Penn State $60 million, banned the football team from any post-season games for the next 4 years, forfeited all football wins from 1998 to 2011 thereby stripping Joe Paterno of the title of 'winningest coach in major football college history' and cut football scholarships from 25 to 15.

Paterno's statue has also been rightfully removed.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/23/us/pennsylvania-penn-state-ncaa/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
 
Ok, I know I'm very outside to this but err, here's what I'm thinking.

The statue being taken down, fair enough. However, the rest I find truly bizarre, surely this is a criminal thing, not a sporting one. As dreadful as what happened is, why are results being removed? The two are completely separate things.
 
Ok, I know I'm very outside to this but err, here's what I'm thinking.

The statue being taken down, fair enough. However, the rest I find truly bizarre, surely this is a criminal thing, not a sporting one. As dreadful as what happened is, why are results being removed? The two are completely separate things.

He covered it up in order to try and protect his sporting legacy and the football program. Anything that shits all over them is fine by me. I think the punishments are good, current players can transfer instantly so they aren't screwed over.
 
He covered it up in order to try and protect his sporting legacy and the football program. Anything that shits all over them is fine by me. I think the punishments are good, current players can transfer instantly so they aren't screwed over.

Well, the legacy is obviously going to massively tarnished anyway. I fail to see how this carries sporting punishment, maybe it's just looking at it from a British point of view but this is a legal issue, not a sporting one.
 
Well, the legacy is obviously going to massively tarnished anyway. I fail to see how this carries sporting punishment, maybe it's just looking at it from a British point of view but this is a legal issue, not a sporting one.

I am British :lol: (though I have a close friend in State College who actually works at the stadium). It is a legal issue, and Sandusky is in jail now I believe, but Paterno can't be punished due to now being dead. And they had to do something, if they hadn't there would have been outrage. It was trying to protect the football program which caused the issues in the first place, so in a perverse kind of way, I can see the logic in punishing the program. Just made a post in the CE forum about how I think its a decent punishment as it avoids punishing the people who weren't involved as the athletes can transfer away etc.
 
It's a bullshit verdict, pandering to the blood thirsty mob.

Child abuse is a horrible crime, but eliminating the achievement of the hundreds of innocent players and staff during that period is a hatchet job. I don't see how this makes the issue better for the victims.
 
It's a bullshit verdict, pandering to the blood thirsty mob.

Child abuse is a horrible crime, but eliminating the achievement of the hundreds of innocent players and staff during that period is a hatchet job. I don't see how this makes the issue better for the victims.


No punishment to the program will make it better for the victims but when you have a program and more importantly people at the top of the program who believe they are above the law or at least believe that their football games and profits are more important than anything else, you have to come down hard on them.

The purpose of this punishment is not even to make anyting better it is a punishment to the institution that turned a blind eye to the crimes and the victims.

It sends a very clear message to every school, and rightly does so. Penn State and it's officials did not care about having justice done for the victims, so now they are paying the price. A price far worse then anything that they were afraid of by not doing the right thing to begin with.

If as a person and an institution you want to allow child abuse to go unpunished and even continue to protect your reputation, well then they have little to complain about when the hammer comes down on them.
 
A message needed to be sent no doubt, but this sounded punitive. Stripping the titles? 4 year ban? This will probably kill Penn State's football program for years.
 
Here's the punishment stolen from the Current Events forum

Punishments for football program just announced today:

$60M fine - used for child sexual abuse protections
Four year postseason ban
Scholarships reduced from 25 to 15 per year for four years
Players can transfer out immediately without sitting out
All wins from 1998 - 2011 vacated
Five year probation period

The NCAA stepped out of bounds with this one. I don't know why I'm worked up about this, I'm not a Penn State fan. But people with high emotions drafted this, this wasn't the act of a careful, measured committee.
 
A message needed to be sent no doubt, but this sounded punitive. Stripping the titles? 4 year ban? This will probably kill Penn State's football program for years.


Well I imagine the point was in fact to be punitive, hence the punishment. Yes it will do a good deal to the program and rightfully so. The irony being they would have suffered far less had they done the right thing from the first moment. They made their bed, now they can lie in it.
 
Well I imagine the point was in fact to be punitive, hence the punishment. Yes it will do a good deal to the program and rightfully so. The irony being they would have suffered far less had they done the right thing from the first moment. They made their bed, now they can lie in it.

But there is nobody left at Penn State who "made the bed".
 
A message needed to be sent no doubt, but this sounded punitive. Stripping the titles? 4 year ban? This will probably kill Penn State's football program for years.

Good, feck Penn State football.

It was Penn State football that is to blame for the rape and molestation of children. You think if Sandusky was an assistant coach for the lacrosse team, this would have been covered up? Hell no.

So while the football team didn't do the crime, they without doubt enabled it....Joe Paterno was a scumbag, and he's lucky that he's dead.

His legacy? A coward who made excuses for a pedophile and rapist - excuses that resulted in at least 7-8 more kids being sexually abused. The removal of the statue is the least they should have done...Grand Experiment my ass.

-$60mil fine is nothing(equal to a years revenue from the football program!)
-The kids currently there will be allowed to transfer as per NCAA rules, because the school is banned from bowls - so the kids aren't being punished.

I'm upset that the civil liabilities will probably be only $100mil-$150mil.
 
But there is nobody left at Penn State who "made the bed".
Only because they all got fired before the NCAA could levy its penalties. Be a good way to escape any penalties for any school then, just fire everyone involved and the say "Oh but the ones who did it are all gone"

No different from say going after a company even if the CEO and those who ran it at the time are all gone.

The only victims are the kids who got molested.
 
Well, why should anyone not involved be punished?

The institution of Penn State Football was involved and it is paying the price, a business is responsible for the actions of its employees. So the punishment if being place exactly where the blame is on Penn State's Football program.

NCAA rule enforcement would be very hollow if all any program had to do was fire anyone who did wrong.

Penn State got a fitting punishment for what it did.