Sachin out for 8 weeks

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Injured Tendulkar out of ODI squad

MUMBAI, Mar 21: Sachin Tendulkar was today ruled out of the one-day series against England after he was advised eight weeks' rest to treat a shoulder injury.

"Tendulkar would consult Dr. Andrew Wallace in London and it appears he would not be available for eight weeks," Cricket Board Vice President M P Pandove said while announcing the Indian team for the first three one-day matches here.

Andhra batsman Y Venugopala Rao was named in the 15-member squad in place of Tendulkar.

Speedster Munaf Patel found a berth in the squad at the expense of Zaheer Khan who was part of the Indian team in Pakistan.

India are to play seven one-dayers against England.

The first ODI is to be held in Delhi on March 28 followed by the second at Faridabad (Mar 31) and Goa (April 3).

The squad: Rahul Dravid (captain), Virender Sehwag, Gautam Gambhir, Yuvraj Singh, Mohammad Kaif, Suresh Raina, Mahendra Singh Dhoni, Irfan Pathan, Rudra Pratap Singh, Shantakumaran Sreesanth, Munaf Patel, Ajit Agarkar, Harbhajan Singh, Venugopala Rao and Ramesh Powar. PTI

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This is really bad news. Injuries might just finish the career of our greatest cricketer ever.
 
Slabber said:
8 weeks is no big deal.
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Its not really about him missing this series in particular. It's about the realisation that maybe this is the end of Sachin's career. It's clearly affecting his batting. First the tennis elbow, now his right shoulder, these 3 or 4 majour surgeries that hes had, have gradually changed him as a batsman. Being out of the game for months and everytime beginning again. And apart from the last 3 or 4 tests hes actually done very well. But its pathetic to see the way people have reacted to his dip in form. Would be sad to see the great man's career end this way.
 
I hope it's not the end for Sachin. But I think he needs to take time out and he needs to be given time, much longer than 8 weeks I reckon. It's so obvious he has been playing nowhere near 100% physically, but even at his age I think he is good enough to give him allowances. The allowance I'd give him is time and patience, time-out.
 
Think he needs to go away and clear his head, he seems to be under an illusion that he needs to completely change his batting style in the test format because he is a senior player. He has to go back to his old ways like he has in the ODI form. The way he played against Pakistan ODI matches bought back memories of the old Tendulkar and that is how he needs to bat. I think even Boycott said in the first test match when he came out and went on the attack he played a little gem of a innings and looked superb and he needs to keep batting like that. He was always willing to take a great bowler on and take risks, the fact he could take risks and get away with them made him a great batsman. He is not a Dravid and needs to stop trying to play in a similar fashion. He seems to think other aggressive players around means he has to take a more slower approach but he is wrong.

I don't think he is past it yet but he looks a player who is playing with very low confidence and he just can

Spoony said:
:lol:
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Compared to the other 75mph pie chuckers in the Indian team he is a speedster!
 
JazzG said:
Compared to the other 75mph pie chuckers in the Indian team he is a speedster!
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I actually like him. He's got very good potential. Definitely would be a handful in English conditions. Perhaps if anything, he lacks a bit of aggression.
 
JazzG said:
Think he needs to go away and clear his head, he seems to be under an illusion that he needs to completely change his batting style in the test format because he is a senior player. He has to go back to his old ways like he has in the ODI form. The way he played against Pakistan ODI matches bought back memories of the old Tendulkar and that is how he needs to bat. I think even Boycott said in the first test match when he came out and went on the attack he played a little gem of a innings and looked superb and he needs to keep batting like that. He was always willing to take a great bowler on and take risks, the fact he could take risks and get away with them made him a great batsman. He is not a Dravid and needs to stop trying to play in a similar fashion. He seems to think other aggressive players around means he has to take a more slower approach but he is wrong.
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Exactly. You've hit the nail on the head. In the Pakistan ODI series, he came out agressively and batted quite fabulously. Cover drives, flick off the hips, it was all back. And looking just a month or so back before that, his other good innings in ODI's were in the first two games against Lanka, where he again was aggresive and took them on. When he bats like that, for me personally, its up there with the greatest sights in sports. That is Sachin, as is often said, he used to be a mixture of it all, he would come out there and bowlers were intimidated. And the great part was there was no going too far, because Sachin always did have the technique to mix it up. Sachin back then wouldnt take shit from any bowler. He may have been a nice fella off the field, but in the middle he had a bigger ego than anyone.

I remember Henry Olonga, i think. He got Sachin out of a no-ball and then off a legitimate delivery the next ball. Story goes that Jadeja was mocking him and the mode of dismissal pissed Sachin off. Next game he absolutely slaughtered them, he looked like he was taking revenge. Thats how he used to be, he's had so many great battles with Glen Mcgrath, the one bowler Sachin actually slegded himself. I mean that was what Sachin was all about, arrogance on the pitch, he seems to have lost that. His idol had always been Viv Richards, and that was always reflected in his batting, he's lost that. And IMO its all in the mind. His recent ODI record i think says it all.
 
Spoony said:
I actually like him. He's got very good potential. Definitely would be a handful in English conditions. Perhaps if anything, he lacks a bit of aggression.
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Actually its odd. What we hear here, is that he used to be a tear-away fast bowler earlier(believe what you want from that term), but he had no control. And over the last two years he's cut down on pace and focused on line and length. I hope he doesnt go to extremes, because this has happened with all our bowlers, Pathan, Zaheer both lost pace after a few years of international cricket. Its a worrying trend IMO.
 
I'm beginning to think he should just retire. Its a bit like Keano nowadays. He's still a pretty good player with Celtic (before his current injury) but barely a shadow of his former self. There's nothing much left to prove and he's severely plagued by injuries - often playing through the pain barrier.

Better to go now when we would still say "feck we would've won this with him in the team!" than hang around waiting to be eventually dropped.

The world cup's not that big a deal anyway.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Actually its odd. What we hear here, is that he used to be a tear-away fast bowler earlier(believe what you want from that term), but he had no control. And over the last two years he's cut down on pace and focused on line and length. I hope he doesnt go to extremes, because this has happened with all our bowlers, Pathan, Zaheer both lost pace after a few years of international cricket. Its a worrying trend IMO.
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I doubt he was a tear away fast bowler, but I can believe he bowled a bit faster. My problem isn't with his pace, just that he lacks a bit of aggression, well, from what what've seen, anyway. His batting style is the opposite, which is strange. I'd like him to be more of a cnut.
 
Spoony said:
I doubt he was a tear away fast bowler, but I can believe he bowled a bit faster. My problem isn't with his pace, just that he lacks a bit of aggression, well, from what what've seen, anyway. His batting style is the opposite, which is strange. I'd like him to be more of a cnut.
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I agree. Its probably his upbringing. He is from a rural part of India, and from what i hear, he had problems early on. I think with temper, and control over his bowling, im not exactly sure about this but that could be a reason. That hes sort of curbing himself in order to maintain discipline.
 
Spoony said:
I actually like him. He's got very good potential. Definitely would be a handful in English conditions. Perhaps if anything, he lacks a bit of aggression.
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He lost his cool yesterday with Udal and Shah I think.Bounced Shah for a couple of overs then got frustrated and chucked a ball back at Udal and hit him on his leg and appealed for LBW!
 
Spoony said:
I doubt he was a tear away fast bowler, but I can believe he bowled a bit faster. My problem isn't with his pace, just that he lacks a bit of aggression, well, from what what've seen, anyway. His batting style is the opposite, which is strange. I'd like him to be more of a cnut.
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When he first came on the stage he was rumoured to have Akhtar's pace but he wasn't included in the Mumbai ranji side so had to opt for Maharashtra and improve his line, and general control.The MRF Academy reported him to be bowling at 150-155 regularly but with severe lack of control and lack of use of any grey matter.They made him cut down a bit and I think at a short burst now can reach 150 in ideal conditions.
 
DONADO said:
When he first came on the stage he was rumoured to have Akhtar's pace but he wasn't included in the Mumbai ranji side so had to opt for Maharashtra and improve his line, and general control.The MRF Academy reported him to be bowling at 150-155 regularly but with severe lack of control and lack of use of any grey matter.They made him cut down a bit and I think at a short burst now can reach 150 in ideal conditions.
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I think hes a huge find for us. We'v got real talent now in the pace department, still some way to go to reach England's level in that area, but it is a start. Pathan in swinging conditions can be incredible, in England he would be something, especially if he can get some pace back. RP Singh and Sreesanth have both had very good starts to their careers. And now Munaf. I just want the pace to be there. If Munaf can bowl at 150 he shouldnt hold himself back. Same with Pathan, when he started out and uptil a few months back, he used to bowl consistantly at 85 odd and swing the ball both ways.
 
Spoony said:
I actually like him. He's got very good potential. Definitely would be a handful in English conditions. Perhaps if anything, he lacks a bit of aggression.
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Yeah he does have the potential to be a good bowler but I do think he will stay in India and by doing so won't ever get to his true peak. He has shown a bit of aggression at times but not as much as some bowlers do, he is no Nel ;)

amolbhatia100 said:
Exactly. You've hit the nail on the head. In the Pakistan ODI series, he came out agressively and batted quite fabulously. Cover drives, flick off the hips, it was all back. And looking just a month or so back before that, his other good innings in ODI's were in the first two games against Lanka, where he again was aggresive and took them on. When he bats like that, for me personally, its up there with the greatest sights in sports. That is Sachin, as is often said, he used to be a mixture of it all, he would come out there and bowlers were intimidated. And the great part was there was no going too far, because Sachin always did have the technique to mix it up. Sachin back then wouldnt take shit from any bowler. He may have been a nice fella off the field, but in the middle he had a bigger ego than anyone.

I remember Henry Olonga, i think. He got Sachin out of a no-ball and then off a legitimate delivery the next ball. Story goes that Jadeja was mocking him and the mode of dismissal pissed Sachin off. Next game he absolutely slaughtered them, he looked like he was taking revenge. Thats how he used to be, he's had so many great battles with Glen Mcgrath, the one bowler Sachin actually slegded himself. I mean that was what Sachin was all about, arrogance on the pitch, he seems to have lost that. His idol had always been Viv Richards, and that was always reflected in his batting, he's lost that. And IMO its all in the mind. His recent ODI record i think says it all.
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That bit of arrogence he had about him is what made him great, he took some top bowlers to the cleaners and that is what gave him such a big reputation. Will never forget the way he murdered Warne back in 1998 and between 97-99 Sachin raped Australia in general and till this day those lot still respect him, not easy to get those kangaroo loving cnuts to give you some credit!
 
JazzG said:
That bit of arrogence he had about him is what made him great, he took some top bowlers to the cleaners and that is what gave him such a big reputation. Will never forget the way he murdered Warne back in 1998 and between 97-99 Sachin raped Australia in general and till this day those lot still respect him, not easy to get those kangaroo loving cnuts to give you some credit!
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:D :devil:
Brings back memories. The way he took on Warne was just magical.. i remember Warne joking that he was having nightmares of Sachin coming down the track and hitting him for six. I havent seen a great bowler that demoralised, and were talking about possibly the greatest leggie ever.

Read this artcle by Gavaskar in the papers the other day, about how Kapil Dev's career also ended in a similar fashion. Apparently he got battered all around the park by some West Indian batsman on his home ground, which eventually led to the home crowd booing him. He shortly after that had an injury and then soon retired. No one made a meal of that because i guess the media wasnt the same as today. But it really would be sad if Sachin's career ends like this. Ideally i would like for him to just take his mind of the game for some time, come back, concentrate on a few weak areas, and when he gets back to international cricket just play agressive cricket. Maybe after the world cup retire from ODI's. Because this is one career that deserves to end with a bang.
 
His career won't end on a low, you can tell when a player is past it or when they are going through a bad spell, with him it is just a real bad spell. He had all these years of greatness it was bound to happen. He is a great player and he will come good, he is too good just to fade away like that.
 
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