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It's getting round to that time of year again, he had a bit of a stinker tonight didn't he?
 
It's the pressure of carrying the goalscoring load. Plus I wonder how much playing the lone striker takes out of him physically.

He'll be back though!
 
Naturally. Ole should have came on earlier though.
 
His finishing has been really poor for the last couple of weeks now. But I don't think we'll get the best out of him in the league unless we consistently have another striker playing alongside him.
 
Originally posted by sidsutton:
<strong>It's the pressure of carrying the goalscoring load. Plus I wonder how much playing the lone striker takes out of him physically.

He'll be back though!</strong><hr></blockquote>

The lone striker thing had nothing to do with him missing 3 sitters. He just had a bad game.
 
Originally posted by JSV:
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The lone striker thing had nothing to do with him missing 3 sitters. He just had a bad game.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Exactly, he had a stinker.
 
I do think he gets frustrated playing as the lone striker though and that it spills into other parts of his game. Not to say his finishing wasn't awful today, because it was. But I do think we're wasting him playing him up front by himself. He and Ole did so well last year together. I just wish they'd get another run together. If they did, I really think they'd hit form again.
 
I'm not denying he was poor and I have been disappointed in his finishing lately. I'm trying to ask why, and if you're exerting your mental and physical energy doing work outside the box, maybe you're not gonna be at your sharpest when a chance comes your way.

I dunno, just speculating.
 
Originally posted by sidsutton:
<strong>I'm not denying he was poor and I have been disappointed in his finishing lately. I'm trying to ask why, and if you're exerting your mental and physical energy doing work outside the box, maybe you're not gonna be at your sharpest when a chance comes your way.

I dunno, just speculating.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't agree with that. If you say a striker must not do anything other than waiting in the box to score, I certainly don't think so. Look at Henry or even Ronaldo, I never heard that they have been "exhausted" for doing too many holding or dribbling works outside the box.

As I've said in another thread ealier, every striker can suffer a dip of form. That's why every top teams need four strikers nowadays.
 
20 goals in all competitions, 2 ahead of Henry.

He's pulling his weight, considering his injuries.

Bad day, nothing more. As long as he's sharp enough come the final run-in.
 
You'll come to it, slowly but surely, RVN is not the BEST striker in the world, by a long way...
How many ordinary games has he had in the last 2 months or so, quite a few IMO...
He needs a partner, or atleast some competetion!!
 
Originally posted by Paz:
<strong>You'll come to it, slowly but surely, RVN is not the BEST striker in the world, by a long way...
How many ordinary games has he had in the last 2 months or so, quite a few IMO...
He needs a partner, or atleast some competetion!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

you're still on about how RVN isn't a good striker? Haven't you had enough of bombs dropped on you lately Paz? :rolleyes:

If there was any hope of you becoming a MOD, there isn't any left now. :)
 
I thought he would have regained his confidence by scoring the two penalties, but clearly it didn't seem to help much.

I don't believe he needs a partner, coz he IS getting the chances and enough to give us 3 or 4 goals each game. What he needs is to regroup.

Maybe what we need is a good substitute for him who can score goals like how Ole can. We need more options on the bench, not alongside Ruud IMO.

Ole has become more of a general substitute now, considering that he's the only sub for beckham, so i think we should get the 4th striker who can play alone up front like Ruud.
 
RVN had a REAL stinker today, but it wasn't just today that he had that.
He NEEDS competition! - for his own personal hunger for sharpness, and a different kind of pressure.
If he doesn't get some, he will become very similar to owen, which has periods of stinkers and periods of sharpness.
RVN has real amazing potential and it's AF's responsability to utilise it for United.
 
Originally posted by uranushk1:
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As I've said in another thread ealier, every striker can suffer a dip of form. That's why every top teams need four strikers nowadays.</strong><hr></blockquote>

We need another top class striker. The problem is we're not going to be able to get one if he's going to have to spend a lot of time on the bench, as will be the case, since we play 4-5-1 in most league and CL games now.

Diego's still learning and fairly young, so he accepts spending a large amount of the time on the bench.

Ole puts up with it because he's United through and through and will make the personal sacrifice for the greater good of the team.

But no other top striker will come here, when we predominantly play 4-5-1, simply to spend a large chunk of the time on the bench. And we do need another top striker long-term, whether it's now or in the summer.
 
Originally posted by Red15:
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We need another top class striker. The problem is we're not going to be able to get one if he's going to have to spend a lot of time on the bench, as will be the case, since we play 4-5-1 in most league and CL games now.

Diego's still learning and fairly young, so he accepts spending a large amount of the time on the bench.

Ole puts up with it because he's United through and through and will make the personal sacrifice for the greater good of the team.

But no other top striker will come here, when we predominantly play 4-5-1, simply to spend a large chunk of the time on the bench. And we do need another top striker long-term, whether it's now or in the summer.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The formation should not be a real obstacle for us to getting new players. Firstly, are Fergie REALLY want to play 4-5-1? I think what he really want is 4-4-1-1 with a player in the hole. But neither Giggs nor Scholes could put up a consistent good performance in a series of matches in the "hole" position so far, therefore I think that position to partner Ruud up front is still open for competition. Secondly, if the new comer is good enough he can convince the manager to start with him by his performance. If a player think he will warm the bench even before he comes then he just doesn't have enough confidence on himself.
 
Originally posted by Red15:
<strong> He and Ole did so well last year together. I just wish they'd get another run together. If they did, I really think they'd hit form again.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Given a chance, it's a good bet that they would.

More goals than any other pairing in Europe last season - this season, despite us struggling for goals a lot of the time, and they don't even get a run.

Makes little sense to me.
 
Originally posted by uranushk1:
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The formation should not be a real obstacle for us to getting new players. Firstly, are Fergie REALLY want to play 4-5-1? I think what he really want is 4-4-1-1 with a player in the hole. But neither Giggs nor Scholes could put up a consistent good performance in a series of matches in the "hole" position so far, therefore I think that position to partner Ruud up front is still open for competition. Secondly, if the new comer is good enough he can convince the manager to start with him by his performance. If a player think he will warm the bench even before he comes then he just doesn't have enough confidence on himself.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Quality in the hole players are not easy to come by. You would need to get someone like Aimar, Raul Gonzalez, or the curly haired Brazilian geezer. Need to wait for summer for that kind of cash to be spent.
 
RVN hasnt scored from open play for quite a while now, had that been the case : West Ham would have been Hammered at OT, so would have Portsmouth and so would have Blackburn last night. As soon as RVN has got one from open play his confidence will return. As long as our strikers our scoring and not missing chances that shouldnt be missed, come 2nd leg time, we will beat Blackburn - no doubt about it for me..
 
Originally posted by Paz:
<strong>You'll come to it, slowly but surely, RVN is not the BEST striker in the world, by a long way...
How many ordinary games has he had in the last 2 months or so, quite a few IMO...
He needs a partner, or atleast some competetion!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

the 2 blackburn games

lets shoot the fecker hes human afterall
 
Originally posted by RUDDY:
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the 2 blackburn games

lets shoot the fecker hes human afterall</strong><hr></blockquote>

he he he
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Originally posted by Paz:
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he he he
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

on second thoughts lets shoot you
 
I'd like to have him back in any form! He'll be better again when he has returned to Eindhoven :D
He misses Holland. Or he is out of hagelslag. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Team didn't play well last night but Ruud did miss a few sitters, how he got that one over the bar from about a foot in the second half I don't know. The time to worry about strikers is when they aren't getting the chances though, when they're either hiding or they're moving into the wrong positions. No sign of that from the Ruud boy. He'll be back, probably against the Baggies on Saturday. <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
Originally posted by Elizabeth:
<strong>He had a bad day at the office,give the boy a break ffs :mad: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Errrm, most of us are not complaining my dear, just commenting on him having a shiter, no need to get angry. ;)
 
Ruud is tired, and not just the take a few days off tired.
He needs more of a break, ie a few weeks, not just one. Look at Beck's it has done woders for him.

People who have compared Ruud to Henry etc and said Henry never gets tired etc should understand this. Henry does feck all physical aggressive work upfront. vs WBA he was shit. When things get tough he diappears vs us and if things aiint goin his way his way he does have real stinkers and has no hunger for the ball. Rudd isnt like that, He aiint in the best form but he still gives more to the team than an off form Henry ever could.

He needs a proper partner inthe EPL, Strength and pace a must for his partner.
As for the 4-4-1-1 works well in Europe against the bigger teams but the EPL needs 442, the EPL aiin tthat clever yet to need a 4411 system.
 
I think he lost his concentrations for the final touch because he's been too much time followed by opponent's defender in the penalty box. I suggest he should play his position outside a bit from the box to get the ball, take more time with the ball and don't try too rush shoot. <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
 
Originally posted by sebaveron:
<strong>RVN hasnt scored from open play for quite a while now, had that been the case : West Ham would have been Hammered at OT, so would have Portsmouth and so would have Blackburn last night. As soon as RVN has got one from open play his confidence will return. As long as our strikers our scoring and not missing chances that shouldnt be missed, come 2nd leg time, we will beat Blackburn - no doubt about it for me..</strong><hr></blockquote>

This is it exactly. He is getting a bit into the "have to score/never gonna score" trap, just like Forlan did. As soon as he gets one, it'll calm him a lot.
 
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