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Ruud choses United over country...
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A couple of clear cut reasons for this:
1. Ruud hasn't won a damn thing at United, and he sure as hell wouldn't want to be injured and not be there every step of the way to the promised land.
2. Holland has been underperforming for way too long. No dutch coach seems to know exactly how to work the Ruud-Kluivert partnership. I won't be surprised if more dutch players turn their backs on their national team.
3. SAF has ingrained the "Club first, country second" into his players' thoughts. Ultimately it's the club that's paying the wages and it's the club that's going to pay for the fitness programs set to bring people who got injured during international games back to fitness.
Any thoughts on how many more managers SAF will be in hot water with this season anyone?
1. Ruud hasn't won a damn thing at United, and he sure as hell wouldn't want to be injured and not be there every step of the way to the promised land.
2. Holland has been underperforming for way too long. No dutch coach seems to know exactly how to work the Ruud-Kluivert partnership. I won't be surprised if more dutch players turn their backs on their national team.
3. SAF has ingrained the "Club first, country second" into his players' thoughts. Ultimately it's the club that's paying the wages and it's the club that's going to pay for the fitness programs set to bring people who got injured during international games back to fitness.
Any thoughts on how many more managers SAF will be in hot water with this season anyone?
Hope its true. Ruud didn't look happy against Everton, despite scoring the penalty.
The extra days rest will do him the world of good. The last thing we want is a torn muscle especially since we are already short of a striker
The extra days rest will do him the world of good. The last thing we want is a torn muscle especially since we are already short of a striker
There needs to be something sorted out, whereby the national FA's take some reponsibility for paying players while on international duties and the clubs don't have to pay them for the time they are not at the club.
If something like that was introduced the players would not get paid if they made themselves unavailable for internationals
If something like that was introduced the players would not get paid if they made themselves unavailable for internationals
But the players themselves want to play in the international matches.
Look at Rio's reaction when he was ruled out.
Ruud doesn't want to play because if he makes the injury worse he could miss more than just a match or 2.
The FA needs to lay down the law. They have the right to be able to select anyone they want, especially for competitve internations, and if that means going to FIFA then so be it.
Look at Rio's reaction when he was ruled out.
Ruud doesn't want to play because if he makes the injury worse he could miss more than just a match or 2.
The FA needs to lay down the law. They have the right to be able to select anyone they want, especially for competitve internations, and if that means going to FIFA then so be it.
Ever Hopefull you seem to clearly support the National Teams...
There's one more problem which must be fixed I think.
How International calendar doesn't match each continents together. We talk so much about globalization yet South American Internatinal games are always in the way of European leagues. Top European teams have the rights to complain because they lose their star players in the middle of the season!
If we want to go global, I think FIFA should seriously consider matching International Games fixtures. It's crazy how players have to play 18 qualifying games for the World Cup in South America. They can easily divide into two groups of 5 and compete. What difference would it make there??? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
There's one more problem which must be fixed I think.
How International calendar doesn't match each continents together. We talk so much about globalization yet South American Internatinal games are always in the way of European leagues. Top European teams have the rights to complain because they lose their star players in the middle of the season!
If we want to go global, I think FIFA should seriously consider matching International Games fixtures. It's crazy how players have to play 18 qualifying games for the World Cup in South America. They can easily divide into two groups of 5 and compete. What difference would it make there??? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>Ever Hopefull you seem to clearly support the National Teams...
There's one more problem which must be fixed I think.
How International calendar doesn't match each continents together. We talk so much about globalization yet South American Internatinal games are always in the way of European leagues. Top European teams have the rights to complain because they lose their star players in the middle of the season!
If we want to go global, I think FIFA should seriously consider matching International Games fixtures. It's crazy how players have to play 18 qualifying games for the World Cup in South America. They can easily divide into two groups of 5 and compete. What difference would it make there???</strong><hr></blockquote>
Completely agree. With some many international players in each league these days, especially players from outside of Europe there is no reason why FIFA can't arrange international matches to coincide with each other.
FIFA have to take some reponsibility for the club v country row. We have been luck at united becuase we have had very few players from outside of Europe recently, but now with Seba, Diego, Quinton etc.
I support the nation teams because although its great when your team wins trophies, seeing your national side do well is fantastic. I think this is more apparent now because of the number of nationalities playing in any one Premiership side.
Don't get me wrong i am united through and through but i am English and would love to see England win something.
I am also an England fan, but am starting to lose faith of International games.
I mean, seriously, I think 5 top Premiership sides can beat any International team in the World - even Brazil.
International teams don't stand a chance playing the likes of clubs regularly participating in Eoropean Champions Cup.
The World Cup is a smaller cup than the ECC because the ECC champion comprises of bigger and more reputable superstars.
I mean, seriously, I think 5 top Premiership sides can beat any International team in the World - even Brazil.
International teams don't stand a chance playing the likes of clubs regularly participating in Eoropean Champions Cup.
The World Cup is a smaller cup than the ECC because the ECC champion comprises of bigger and more reputable superstars.
I don't care for internation friendlies but the qualifiers and major competition are great. The feeling when we beat Germany 5-1 or when we beat Argentina.
Some of the top European sides would probably beat some international sides, but there is nothing like the World Cup. Winning the World Cup is the ulitmate acheivement for any player.
Some of the top European sides would probably beat some international sides, but there is nothing like the World Cup. Winning the World Cup is the ulitmate acheivement for any player.
In the article, it says that Advocaat wants Ruud to undergo a physical on Monday. I find that a bit strange because ultimately, I think only Ruud knows how his hamstring feels, regardless of what any doctor says. On MUTV for the match against Everton last week, they seemed to suggest that Ruud would have the last word on whether he was fit or not. So why should it be any different for the national team?
Ruud's always seemed desperate to win something with Holland in the past. So I figure he must know that he's not going to make it for Wednesday and wants to come back to Manchester for treatment in hopes he can make it for Saturday... in which case, I don't see what the problem is.
I actually think we should just rest him for the matches against Fulham/Olympiakos to take care of this problem once and for all. Because it seems like he keeps coming back too soon, then re-aggravates the problem and is out again.
We only need 1 more point to qualify for the next round of the Champions League anyway and with/without Ruud in the CL matches, I don't think we're going to have any problem winning our group.
Ruud's always seemed desperate to win something with Holland in the past. So I figure he must know that he's not going to make it for Wednesday and wants to come back to Manchester for treatment in hopes he can make it for Saturday... in which case, I don't see what the problem is.
I actually think we should just rest him for the matches against Fulham/Olympiakos to take care of this problem once and for all. Because it seems like he keeps coming back too soon, then re-aggravates the problem and is out again.
We only need 1 more point to qualify for the next round of the Champions League anyway and with/without Ruud in the CL matches, I don't think we're going to have any problem winning our group.
I think Ruud is smart. These are qualifiers for 2004. Ruud wants to be healthy today so that he can help his team this season. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. He wants to win so badly with United and share in what they had in '99 that he is willing to forgo playing for his country.
I for one wonder what is going to happen. There are so many United players in international friendlies that I would not be the least bit surprised if someone got hurt during these matches.
I for one wonder what is going to happen. There are so many United players in international friendlies that I would not be the least bit surprised if someone got hurt during these matches.
I saw a post on Bloomberg that ruud has pulled out of this week's game due to a reccurence of his hamstring. My fear is that the injury is all too real at this point.
Originally posted by Arsenal:
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Pires got injured in March so he could hardly have played the last premiership game of the season.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Sorry 'bout that, news about AFC is not something I really keep up with...........
Originally posted by Argiepoo:
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Sorry 'bout that, news about AFC is not something I really keep up with...........
Then you really shouldn't talk about something you don't have a clue about.
I think most footballfans know that Pires missed the end of last season.
Ruud shouldnt play if he isnt fit to do so full stop.
Originally posted by Arsenal:
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Then you really shouldn't talk about something you don't have a clue about.
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Excellent point. Now why don't you do that, and tell your gooner mates to do that too, and while you're at it tell all the scousers around here as well.
Originally posted by Elfie:
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I don't want to read that "Lemerre ruined my World Cup", because it's once again an interview distorted by the British press. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Wouldn't be the first time
Can't believe anything you read in the sports pages in Britain. It's the only part of the papers where sensationalism isn't considered bad journalism.