Ruud = Cheat

blythy

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Don't get me wrong, Ruud is a fantastic player, a world class striker and a United legend in the making.

But, when things aren't going his way and he gets frustrated, he dives a lot. It would be hyporcrtical of me to have a go at the likes of Luis Figo, Rivaldo etc for diving whilst ignoring Ruud.

Something he needs to take out of his game.
 
Originally posted by blythy:
<strong>Don't get me wrong, Ruud is a fantastic player, a world class striker and a United legend in the making.

But, when things aren't going his way and he gets frustrated, he dives a lot. It would be hyporcrtical of me to have a go at the likes of Luis Figo, Rivaldo etc for diving whilst ignoring Ruud.

Something he needs to take out of his game.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Totally agree. If for no other reason than one day we're going to miss out on a genuine penalty because he will cry wolf once too often.
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Yep, i've said in another topic is was horrible watching Ruud tumble out of nothing. We shouldnt drop to other teams levels just because things arent going well - thats what it looked like when we won a freekick late on and some of the players wanted a penalty when it was blatantly outside the area. Ruud should stay on his feet, because now it seems Refs have branded him as a diver.
 
can i make a career out of posting "Agreed"?

It's all I seem to do now! ;)

But erm, I do agree with you.
 
Its much better to stay on your feet and pass the ball to someone else or try to break through than not get the free kick, so its not like its even good for the team, its not just cheating, its counter-productive. He wasn't the only one going down easily - a sign of desperation and lack of belief.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>He wasn't the only one going down easily - a sign of desperation and lack of belief.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agreed
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We needn't worry about the City players diving though...
 
Originally posted by osterdal:
<strong>I agree. This is my opinion:

I'd rather lose than win cheating.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I wouldn't go that far. :)
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I'm not sure if he is "cheating" or not. The real reason he is going to ground is that he is not properly balanced, doesn't have control of the ball, and his first touch today was awful...again. Nothing stuck, not once. Plenty to work on there, and another world class player who would be back on the bench for a while if there was genuine competition for places.
 
I feel sorry for Ruud. He's asked to play ufront alone in this ridiculous system Fergie has adopted. He's always battling against at least two defenders - no wonder he's frustrated. To get the best out of him he must play off someone, like Ole or Paul, in close attendance.
 
Originally posted by CremboMan:
<strong>Agree with all the above.
Moreover, Ruud looked rusty today.</strong><hr></blockquote>

he was a waste of space really, here's hoping he gets back to his old self quickly (we need it)
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Originally posted by Julian Denny:
<strong>I feel sorry for Ruud. He's asked to play ufront alone in this ridiculous system Fergie has adopted. He's always battling against at least two defenders - no wonder he's frustrated. To get the best out of him he must play off someone, like Ole or Paul, in close attendance.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agreed(fancy me sticking up for him ;) ).Although he did come here with a name for umm...toppling over his big feet shall we assume ;) .
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Originally posted by blythy:
<strong>Don't get me wrong, Ruud is a fantastic player, a world class striker and a United legend in the making.

But, when things aren't going his way and he gets frustrated, he dives a lot. It would be hyporcrtical of me to have a go at the likes of Luis Figo, Rivaldo etc for diving whilst ignoring Ruud.
Something he needs to take out of his game.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Beware Mr. UTD(Murty), you can't say this here. <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
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I think Ruud has been studying some F.Inzaghi videos of late. He's turning out to be quite a decent actor.
 
I think he's been studying Greg Luganis <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />
 
I don't mind his dives, but his reaction to the alleged 'foul' is what gets to me sometimes. It's obvious he wasn't fouled but Ruud does kick up a fuss when he doesn't have a case. There are times when he's genuinely fouled and it's okay then to berate the ref, but not when you blatantly dive.
Still, I don't have much qualms when he wins us some pens, but I agree that he can tone it down a bit.
But it is wonderful to see him belt the ball so beautifully into the net once he gets the penalty. ;)
 
i agree.. but it hasn't only been Ruud alone.. i have noticed Becks to be doing the same too recently.. anyone else spotted this?
 
Yes Ruud did seem to have trouble standing, he seems to be doing it more and more at the moment, he needs to cut it out, I think sometimes a player should stay on his feet more because it can open something up.
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>i agree.. but it hasn't only been Ruud alone.. i have noticed Becks to be doing the same too recently.. anyone else spotted this?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, I did. I cringe when I see United players dive like that, and often too. But only Beckham and RVN do that often. But maybe it's not diving, just that they go down too easily with the slightest touch. Hmmm...
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Originally posted by Huiting:
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Yeah, I did. I cringe when I see United players dive like that, and often too. But only Beckham and RVN do that often. But maybe it's not diving, just that they go down too easily with the slightest touch. Hmmm...</strong><hr></blockquote>

read what ONE HIT WONDER said in his post.. i tend to agree.. when ruud gets up and gets all fuzzy about not being given a penalty.. that's what i think get to many fans the most..

becks doesn't do that though.. he's not very good at diving IMO.. he just gets back up and continues his football..
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Originally posted by christiepark_boy:
<strong>I'm not sure if he is "cheating" or not. The real reason he is going to ground is that he is not properly balanced, doesn't have control of the ball, and his first touch today was awful...again. Nothing stuck, not once. Plenty to work on there, and another world class player who would be back on the bench for a while if there was genuine competition for places.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Were you watching the same game, there was one instance in the 2nd half were his control was class but the defender made a great challange. I have read this criticism in recent weks about RVN, and I think it is BS, however I do agree he is a long way of being the finished article- all that crap about him being the best striker in Europe last year is coming back to haunt us, but at least we know he will, when he gets a partner he can strike up a rapport with will deliver the goods.
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Oh, so now posters have to beware giving their honest opinions and being fair enough to recognise a problem in a player? Sorry, have to disagree completely with anyone who thinks that way.

Ruud is making a bit of a fool of himself. I really like him, he is a delight to watch in full flight, and he deserves our support when he is going through lean goal-scoring times, as a striker does not exist in isolation from the rest of the team.

However, he needs to be booked for diving in order to break that silly little habit he has acquired. I would say the same about any other player in any other team.

I don`t respect divers, which is why although I acknowledge the skill of Michael Owen, I don`t like him. He`s a real little dropkick when he begins that acting, and being booked is the best solution for those who try to obtain a penalty at all costs.

Sometimes the incidents of diving in professional football are not so clear-cut but when Owen et al really do it, then give them zero tolerance for such playground level dishonesty. If Ruud gets booked for diving when he is clearly putting it on, then that will be a good lesson for him.

But really, Sir Alex should be making it clear to Ruud that there is no place for his bullshit.
 
Originally posted by giggsgirl:
<strong>Oh, so now posters have to beware giving their honest opinions and being fair enough to recognise a problem in a player? Sorry, have to disagree completely with anyone who thinks that way.

Ruud is making a bit of a fool of himself. I really like him, he is a delight to watch in full flight, and he deserves our support when he is going through lean goal-scoring times, as a striker does not exist in isolation from the rest of the team.

However, he needs to be booked for diving in order to break that silly little habit he has acquired. I would say the same about any other player in any other team.

I don`t respect divers, which is why although I acknowledge the skill of Michael Owen, I don`t like him. He`s a real little dropkick when he begins that acting, and being booked is the best solution for those who try to obtain a penalty at all costs.

Sometimes the incidents of diving in professional football are not so clear-cut but when Owen et al really do it, then give them zero tolerance for such playground level dishonesty. If Ruud gets booked for diving when he is clearly putting it on, then that will be a good lesson for him.

But really, Sir Alex should be making it clear to Ruud that there is no place for his bullshit.</strong><hr></blockquote>


here here!
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Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>Feckin well said Mancs..

Will wonders never cease?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Apparently not....I thought RvN should have been booked for his diving antics.
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Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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Apparently not....I thought RvN should have been booked for his diving antics.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agreed.

Like Davo says, referee's will be looking out for it now. And rightly so.
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"An intelligent and sensible man, he never gets into the scandals that have embroiled Kluivert. The one blemish on his reputation was the claim by opponents two years ago that he occasionally dived. This briefly earned him the nickname Ruudje Mattheus, after the former German footballer who is regarded in Holland as the consummate diver".

Stay on your feet Ruud,you have too much talent to be branded thus :(
 
Why isn't the manager and staff stopping him, they either support him doing it or they have truly lost some control of players.
 
Originally posted by jraby:
<strong>Why isn't the manager and staff stopping him, they either support him doing it or they have truly lost some control of players.</strong><hr></blockquote>

to win mate.. it's the same with every other team.. esp Liverpool, AC Milan.. Owen and Pippo are the two most well known divers in football..

Did Scolari condemn Carlos for saying he would take a dive for the national side in the WC? Paul scholes said the same..

it's a fine line for managers to come out and condemn his players when in fact they may be encouraging it during practice.. at the end of day, it's the win that counts.. it's the win that will get you places..
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and guess what.. even after all their antics, Owen and Pippo are still regarded as the brightest footballers of the current period.. your performance will take away the hatred..

Alan Smith for all his arrogance is still highly expected to be the top striker in our National team.. this is when everyone came out to say what Keane does is unacceptable..

If we really look into it Smith has been delibrately trying to kill people on the field many more times than Keane has!
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>Alan Smith for all his arrogance is still highly expected to be the top striker in our National team.. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Just out of curiousity, are you Thai or English?
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Originally posted by Argiepoo:
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Just out of curiousity, are you Thai or English?</strong><hr></blockquote>

hahaha, honest mistake.. although i do support England too.. i'm an indian living in Thailand, both my father and brother were educated in England and we have a lot of business there too.. so when comes to football i tend to relate myself better with with these english teams since football in Thailand is really not up to standards. Although i do support the Thai national team also in their competitions.
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