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Eh? As in they can easily use it as an excuse to escalate either attacks or drum up support for mobilisation. Or both. Which would be very typical of what they do. A small self imposed humiliation is a small price to pay.
I guess the point is the question how big this humiliation is. If you think it's neglible, a false flag is plausible. But if you think it is more severe, than it would be unlikely to be a false flag action.
That’s what I’m saying though. It’s not that big compared to what they can use it for.
To be used, it would have to be credible. The farcical way the story came to light with the crude video and people climbing up likely means Putin knows no one would take him seriously if he claimed it was an assassination attempt, and therefore any action he takes will be viewed as part of a false flag.
No. First of all, there’s no potential for escalation aside from nuclear. Second, and this is why I am talking about mistaking Russia for democracy, they don’t need to drum up support — there isn’t any * really, and this hasn’t changed anything but, most importantly, they don’t need any support. The mobilization is still ongoing and people are getting conscripted, willingly or not. Also, they haven’t even shown the footage of the drone on federal TV.
If they’d wanted to rile up the people, they chose the wrong target. And FSB knows how to rile up people with false flag operations.
* of mobilization that is, not of the war
They don't need any excuses. Russia is not comparable to a working democracy or any western society and people need to stop comparing it to one. Russian leaders doesn't need any excuses for anything they do, as long as the people see them as the strong leaders that can protect the people from outside aggression they can do what ever they want and they can say what ever they want. The one big threat to Putin is if the people start seeing him as weak and not able to protect them, then they will turn on him.
Such an odious character. Unbelievable that this is a NATO country.
I didn’t know they hadn’t shown the footage on TV there. That’s interesting. Have they discussed it at all?
Oh, yeah, they’ve talked about it a lot, mostly pushing the Putin’s assassination attempt angle
But no footage, which, again, points to a scenario of them trying to save face in an embarrassing situation and not a calculated false flag operation.You can never be certain with these fools but it feels unlikely.
feck around and find out
Ukraine spy chief Budanov said something contrary to what Zelensky says here.
Seems like that could equally point to using it though. Because the footage doesn’t look like an assassination attempt at all. Could be a bit of both I guess. A genuine ‘attack’ and twisted to suit.Oh, yeah, they’ve talked about it a lot, mostly pushing the Putin’s assassination attempt angle
You can never be certain with these fools but it feels unlikely.
As for the embarrassment — it’s not a small one. And, more importantly, it happened right before the Victory Day parade that takes place on the Red Square and Putin is always there, out in the open. Now he’d either going to miss it (unlikely) or stay there on the stands, thinking about how reliable his air defense is.
They routinely look to manipulate situations as excuses to do things. They’ve literally attacked their own people for it in the past. I’m not saying it definitely is this, but they’ve done it many times. If it were as you say, they wouldn’t have bothered doing the examples below, on the US embassy website. They’d just do what they want to do regardless.
https://uk.usembassy.gov/how-russia-conducts-false-flag-operations/
Or he just sends one of his doubles again.
By the way, the notion that the Kremlin can just do whatever they want at any time doesn't seem to fly.
That old cnut of a Russian representative clearly asked for all of it.
Now I challenge him to try doing the same with an American flag in Boston. We will see how that goes for him.
edit: The added music makes the scene 200% better in this reply.
On the false flag issue: most (if not all) of Ukraine operations in enemy ocuppied territory has been focused in diminishing Russia's logistic capabilities, i.e. targeting military infrastructure, weaponry or ammo depots, or power and transportation lines. The attack on the Kerch bridge follows that patern. The drone attack on the Kremlin dome doesn't. It just looks too much of an outlier.
Anyway, it's remarkable that one year into the war we're still unable to distinguish between Russia's staged incompetence and plain incompetence.
Anyway, it's remarkable that one year into the war we're still unable to distinguish between Russia's staged incompetence and plain incompetence.
Excellent
The attempted assassination of Aleksandr Dugin, that ended up killing his daughter instead?
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Prigozhin went competely mental, perfect timing for Ukraine's counteroffensive. In this state, Wagner will run as soon as they see the first Leopard.
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Incomprehensible how he tells the absolute truth and they still volunteer to go to Ukraine instead of starting riots in Russia. A people of slaves.
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Incomprehensible how he tells the absolute truth and they still volunteer to go to Ukraine instead of starting riots in Russia. A people of slaves.
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It’s all ball bearings nowadays…
https://interfax.com/newsroom/top-stories/88585/
Being china so close geographically and by political interest, i dont know if russia will have as much problems to supply the war and the economy war effort. I suspect that Russian economical expectations (bar moscow) are not the same as middle class from the west and can bare being in a shit situation while being brainwashed for the motherland
Ukraine will have to beat russia in the battlefield or it can last a decade
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Reading all of below, it’s clear something will have to give eventually and once Ukrainian counteroffensive begins this will power struggle will only intensify. For all of those people blaming Ukrainian generals for holding on to Bakhmut when it appears to be strategically of less importance, I think they know Russia and their mentality the best and have factored in the implications similar to what we see unfolding as something worth fighting as it can shake up the whole battlefield.
That Prigozhin clip is wild.
ISW getting some criticism.
What about the murders of Dugina and Tatarsky? Not that we know who did it but those do follow that pattern.