VorZakone
What would Kenny G do?
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He is a fanatic and genuinely interested in Russia winning. He isn't corrupt and gocused on personal benefits like most of the Russian government.Girkin is unironically probably more competent than the likes of Shoigu and Gerasimov.
Except there are no cities nearby. The closest is the village Chasiv Yar with a population of 13 000, 15 km away. I'm no expert in these matters, but Zelensky's comments was made in the context of "please give us more tanks", and maybe also to motivate his soldiers, but the strategical role of the city is quite transparent and probably not that difficult to judge. In one way you could say that every meter the Russians take, matters, but the importance of Bakhmut is not justified by the losses Russia have had taking it. The other cites at the frontline are just as important.But the UA president pointed out (assuming he got advice from his generals) that it was important because he said that once it failed, it would open up a lot of problems defending the cities behind that line. So it is definitely relevant strategically for them. All of these media outlets and experts have said a lot of things, and they don't always get it right.
And if it was symbolic, it is still very important to hold it, as he stated in his address to the U.S. Congress. You know, morals and all, especially after losing so many men for that.
Kramatorsk and Sloviansk are nearby and along a major road that leads out of Bakhmut.Except there are no cities nearby.
He's a war criminal and one of the most influential figures behind the very origin of this conflict
Who knows how he has managed to avoid getting himself arrested up to this point though — there's no doubt about his extremely pro-Russian allegiance but almost any of his summaries can get him like 7 years in prison for the "discrediting of the Russian army".
The cross road is east of Bakhmut though, and has been under Russian control some time already. The Russians have to make quite some progression to reach Krematorsk and Sloviansk. I understand this could be a worry when Russia started their winter offensive, but as things stand now, my understanding is that whether Russia finally manage to take all of Bakhmut or not is not that important as Ukraine can still put up defence lines outside the city, and Russia also lack the personal needed to advance much further. Let's hope at least.Kramatorsk and Sloviansk are nearby and along a major road that leads out of Bakhmut.
Look at Bakhmut on a map, it is a road hub. Those are always important in warfare.
They've been inching closer since last summer.We don't know how many UAs were lost in that. Even with 100k casualties, the RA is inching closer to taking the whole city there.
The personal in Donbass has changed more or less entirely since 2014 and Girkin never was a politician with a loyal electorate, so it's unlikely. Different people speculate that he has some high-level patron in the FSB (or somewhere else at the very top), hence why he hasn't been arrested/prosecuted yet. The funniest version of events that may indeed be true is that he doesn't have anyone but everyone there assumes that he does so they stay clear off him, which would be a very Russian thing to happen. And him continuing to get away with it only strengthens their suspicions.The only reason I can think of is his influence in the Donbas. You wrote it yourself, he is one of the most influential figures in this region and if Putin arrests him, then he risks trouble in regions where he can't afford it. Girkin knows it too and that's why he enjoys it being the only influential person, who can openly criticize.
Exactly and it showed that it is a big problem for the UA and all these RA will run out of whatever didn't happen.They've been inching closer since last summer.
What you are probably missing is that the UA decided to defend there and had built up a lot of defense lines. That means it was easier to make it their hill. We have no idea how good other cities behind it with their defense. And why the hell would the UA want to keep letting the RA destroy their cities, one after another, especially the ones located closer to their west.The cross road is east of Bakhmut though, and has been under Russian control some time already. The Russians have to make quite some progression to reach Krematorsk and Sloviansk. I understand this could be a worry when Russia started their winter offensive, but as things stand now, my understanding is that whether Russia finally manage to take all of Bakhmut or not is not that important as Ukraine can still put up defence lines outside the city, and Russia also lack the personal needed to advance much further. Let's hope at least.
1) the fact that there's a crossroads means there's more than 1 way out of the city to get to Krematorsk and Sloviansk.The cross road is east of Bakhmut though, and has been under Russian control some time already. The Russians have to make quite some progression to reach Krematorsk and Sloviansk. I understand this could be a worry when Russia started their winter offensive, but as things stand now, my understanding is that whether Russia finally manage to take all of Bakhmut or not is not that important as Ukraine can still put up defence lines outside the city, and Russia also lack the personal needed to advance much further. Let's hope at least.
NATO estimate Russian casualties to be 5 times the number UA have lost in the fight of Bakhmut. This was my main point to start with. The city may fall, but in the long run, I'd still argue the fight for Bakhmut has been to UA's benefit. Ukraine of course do not want to lose any of their cities, but the importance of this city still doesn't match the effort from the Russian side to control it. This is not Odessa or Kherson.What you are probably missing is that the UA decided to defend there and had built up a lot of defense lines. That means it was easier to make it their hill. We have no idea how good other cities behind it with their defense. And why the hell would the UA want to keep letting the RA destroy their cities, one after another, especially the ones located closer to their west.
They had to make a stand at some point and go hell on the RA, especially, if their intention is to get all their lands back. They just can't giving up cities.
7 seasons of Agents of Shield does that to youDid someone say Hydra?
HAIL HYDRA!!!
Sorry, I really had to.
NATO estimate Russian casualties to be 5 times the number UA have lost in the fight of Bakhmut. This was my main point to start with. The city may fall, but in the long run, I'd still argue the fight for Bakhmut has been to UA's benefit. Ukraine of course do not want to lose any of their cities, but the importance of this city still doesn't match the effort from the Russian side to control it. This is not Odessa or Kherson.
Quite a big increase in attempts to destroy supplies/supply lines in recent days. We had drone attacks in Crimea, HIMARS o'clock is a thing again after a winter break, and we have activity in Russian cities close to the border.
Your argument was that losing it is irreverent. My argument was that it would be because of the way UA has been defending it while depleting their resources, and my thought has always been that it was the right thing for UA to not lose it easily due to its importance (obviously depending on how many losses UA had, which we won't know for some).NATO estimate Russian casualties to be 5 times the number UA have lost in the fight of Bakhmut. This was my main point to start with. The city may fall, but in the long run, I'd still argue the fight for Bakhmut has been to UA's benefit. Ukraine of course do not want to lose any of their cities, but the importance of this city still doesn't match the effort from the Russian side to control it. This is not Odessa or Kherson.
I meant irrelevant (or at least of minor importance) in the current situation. And there seems to be an agreement that it has been a successful strategy from UA to hold on to it, but then more because of the great Russian losses of personal than anything else. The development in the coming days and weeks will be most interesting.Your argument was that losing it is irreverent. My argument was that it would be because of the way UA has been defending it while depleting their resources, and my thought has always been that it was the right thing for UA to not lose it easily due to its importance (obviously depending on how many losses UA had, which we won't know for some).
Your argument was that losing it is irreverent. My argument was that it would be because of the way UA has been defending it while depleting their resources, and my thought has always been that it was the right thing for UA to not lose it easily due to its importance (obviously depending on how many losses UA had, which we won't know for some).
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I missed this one. It seems like they were using Iranian shells for a while. Are there any indications of how they got it? From a cursory search it seems its possible it was purchased indirectly or even that the Americans, at one point, were contemplating sending rounds it had intercepted from Iranian attempts to send the ammunition to Yemen
Still trying to figure out where they got them from. Whether directly from the Iranians or elsewhere.