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Just type "Maidan and Azov" in unfiltered search engines like Duck Duck Go and give it a go. Lots of good reads by independent western journalists - better known as Russian propagandists for those who disagree with them.
You didn't have to be so specific.
 
Just type "Maidan and Azov" in unfiltered search engines like Duck Duck Go and give it a go. Lots of good reads by independent western journalists - better known as Russian propagandists for those who disagree with them.

Just give me some names. And let me know if Poroshenko is an ultra-nationalist or not? If yes, what makes him one? If not, how was he allowed to win an election after the "coup" by ultra nationalists? I just want to understand the logic behind it.
 
Just give me some names. And let me know if Poroshenko is an ultra-nationalist or not? If yes, what makes him one? If not, how was he allowed to win an election after the "coup" by ultra nationalists? I just want to understand the logic behind it.

Poroshenko is a Ukrainian nationalist who rapidly promoted separation of Ukraine from any historical Russian ties. No, he is not ultranationalist. Ultranationalists are those Bandera loving Azov folk who were basically a muscle behind the coup.

From my understanding, and please correct me if I am wrong: Ukrainians accused him of dealing with the Russians. I'm not sure if that is a fact or false campaign against him from Zelenskis camp.

But yeah - Poroshenko is clearly not an ultranationalist.
 
Poroshenko is a Ukrainian nationalist who rapidly promoted separation of Ukraine from any historical Russian ties. No, he is not ultranationalist. Ultranationalists are those Bandera loving Azov folk who were basically a muscle behind the coup.

From my understanding, and please correct me if I am wrong: Ukrainians accused him of dealing with the Russians. I'm not sure if that is a fact or false campaign against him from Zelenskis camp.

But yeah - Poroshenko is clearly not an ultranationalist.


You're conflating basic patriotism with nationalism. Ukraine and Russia are separate countries and it is Russian ultranationalism that seeks to preserve Russian influence in Ukraine (statues, historic sites etc). The fact that Poroshenko, as Ukrainian President, began a de-russification campaign does not make him some sort of crazy nationalist. He's simply working to ensure Ukraine is not a cultural lackey of Putin's Russia.
 
Is this the whole Jewish Nazi's thing?
 
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Ah yes, the serbian Paxi. The only unbiased and impartial user of this forum. He's so impartial that he actually moved to the country he hates and criticises the most so he could learn their ways. Unfortunately it didn't work and he's still a russian echo box, the serbian Jimmy Dore Lite.

Now trying to teach ukranian politics to a native. Since there is a disagreement between these conflicted point of views may I suggest a migration to Mariupol where you can in first hand experience inclusive russian non imperialist way of life. I heard they give free houses and pay on time as well.

Another choice is actually move to serbia. They aren't doing too bad now. Anything to save you from the daily anguish of your unsettled existance.

Doubt he will follow any of my advices though. It's better to lack self awareness and enjoy the perks of living in the country that he loves to hate.
 
Poroshenko is a Ukrainian nationalist who rapidly promoted separation of Ukraine from any historical Russian ties. No, he is not ultranationalist.

Poroshenko is a russian speaking guy, who started his political career in the same party as Yanukovych. So he's not even a semi nationalist I'm afraid. He promoted things Ukrainians asked for. Decommunization, if that's what you're implying, was hugely popular at the time.

From my understanding, and please correct me if I am wrong: Ukrainians accused him of dealing with the Russians. I'm not sure if that is a fact or false campaign against him from Zelenskis camp.

Yes, he had businesses in russia even after 2014. Which again, don't think any Ukrainian nationalist would do.

Ultranationalists are those Bandera loving Azov folk who were basically a muscle behind the coup.

Azov was formed in May, 2014. Yanukovych fled Ukraine in February that year, so the whole coup thing was over by then.
 
Ah yes, the serbian Paxi. The only unbiased and impartial user of this forum. He's so impartial that he actually moved to the country he hates and criticises the most so he could learn their ways. Unfortunately it didn't work and he's still a russian echo box, the serbian Jimmy Dore Lite.

Now trying to teach ukranian politics to a native. Since there is a disagreement between these conflicted point of views may I suggest a migration to Mariupol where you can in first hand experience inclusive russian non imperialist way of life. I heard they give free houses and pay on time as well.

Another choice is actually move to serbia. They aren't doing too bad now. Anything to save you from the daily anguish of your unsettled existance.

Doubt he will follow any of my advices though. It's better to lack self awareness and enjoy the perks of living in the country that he loves to hate.

Jimmy Dore meets Anti-Henry is about right.
 
You're conflating basic patriotism with nationalism. Ukraine and Russia are separate countries and it is Russian ultranationalism that seeks to preserve Russian influence in Ukraine (statues, historic sites etc). The fact that Poroshenko, as Ukrainian President, began a de-russification campaign does not make him some sort of crazy nationalist. He's simply working to ensure Ukraine is not a cultural lackey of Putin's Russia.

That is how it goes. To some you are a patriot to others you are a nationalist.
 
That is how it goes. To some you are a patriot to others you are a nationalist.

In either case, he as President, is obliged to act on behalf of Ukraine's interests, not those of Vladimir Putin or on behalf of some outdated pan-slavic mythology about preserving Soviet culture.
 
Ah yes, the serbian Paxi. The only unbiased and impartial user of this forum. He's so impartial that he actually moved to the country he hates and criticises the most so he could learn their ways. Unfortunately it didn't work and he's still a russian echo box, the serbian Jimmy Dore Lite.

Now trying to teach ukranian politics to a native. Since there is a disagreement between these conflicted point of views may I suggest a migration to Mariupol where you can in first hand experience inclusive russian non imperialist way of life. I heard they give free houses and pay on time as well.

Another choice is actually move to serbia. They aren't doing too bad now. Anything to save you from the daily anguish of your unsettled existance.

Doubt he will follow any of my advices though. It's better to lack self awareness and enjoy the perks of living in the country that he loves to hate.

I don't hate US. I dislike US foreign policies. US has some outstanding citizens - Like Jimmy Dore for example. :)

I ain't teaching anything to anyone. He asked me, I answered. That is all. I also don't claim I don't have a bias. I do, as all people do. I'm presenting my point of view without insulting anyone here.
 
I don't hate US. I dislike US foreign policies. US has some outstanding citizens - Like Jimmy Dore for example. :)

I ain't teaching anything to anyone. He asked me, I answered. That is all. I also don't claim I don't have a bias. I do, as all people do. I'm presenting my point of view without insulting anyone here.
Sure whatever you say. Unfortunately your russian apologist point of view is very insulting for some people, for example my Ukrainian wife. But like she explained to me, it's a waste of time trying to reason with your kind.
 
Sure whatever you say. Unfortunately your russian apologist point of view is very insulting for some people, for example my Ukrainian wife. But like she explained to me, it's a waste of time trying to reason with your kind.

My apologies. It is not my aim to insult your wife nor you.
 
My apologies. It is not my aim to insult your wife nor you.
Hey, I don't agree with you but the good thing of living in certain countries is that we have free speech. Unfortunately Russians can't say the same.
 
The Biden administration is quietly preparing for the possibility that if Ukraine’s spring counteroffensive falls short of expectations, critics at home and allies abroad will argue that America has come up short, too.

 

Criticism of Washington would not be undeserved in the event of an Ukrainian failure; the Biden administration only has one thing to do ASAP and that's to make sure the hardware arrives within reasonable time.

One thing I can give to the USSR during the Cold War is that they did not give a feck about how much support has to go to a proxy (North Korea or North Vietnam) for as long as the ideological enemy is defeated. Furthermore, the USSR never told their allies to show any restraint in battle. The US should have learned from that a long time ago, and it means the Ukrainians should never be restricted in any measure about the way they fight this war.
 
We beat that USSR, for what it’s worth.

It's worth a lot! It freed millions of people in Eastern Europe. Just compare Albania, Bulgaria or Romania in the 1980s and today. None of these countries is perfect today, far from it, but they are much better than they used to be in the 1980s.
 
The point remains that you don't win an ideological war by showing restraint or by imposing restrictions on your ally, who knows better than anyone what has to be done to win the war.

Let Ukraine do as it pleases them and let's support them without any needless hurdles.
 
From my experience, most of the people that tells you not to follow an agenda is extremely bad at hiding their own.

The point remains that you don't win an ideological war by showing restraint or by imposing restrictions on your ally, who knows better than anyone what has to be done to win the war.

Let Ukraine do as it pleases them and let's support them without any needless hurdles.

Well, it didn't work out that well with the Mujahidin. I think they could be doing more, but I kind of understand where that resistance is coming from.

If it helps, IMO the story about Ukraine wanting to attack russian territory and the US holding them back works pretty well as PR. It shows Ukranians as capable and determined and americans as responsibly helping them call the shots. And it probably isn't very well received by Putin and his cronies as they could or couldn't be attacked in their territory with plausible deniability anytime.
 
The point remains that you don't win an ideological war by showing restraint or by imposing restrictions on your ally, who knows better than anyone what has to be done to win the war.

Let Ukraine do as it pleases them and let's support them without any needless hurdles.

That's an incredible dangerous line of thought. Thankfully Ukraine has some sense.

You win an "ideological" war by winning hearts and minds in the short term. In the medium to long term by increasing prosperity of the nation.

The other way is Putins way. Try to win an ideological war by annihilating anyone and everything with a conflicting ideology.

Ukraine aren't really fighting that kind of war anyway at the minute. They are fighting for their existance as an independent sovereign state and their right to self determination in the future. A large part of that future is likely the goal of EU and NATO membership. If that's is the goal then it won't be an unconditional right to ascension to either of those.

So there won't be any "do as you please" unless they choose to go it alone as a non-aligned state. Which isn't likely to be an option given Russia's aggression and disregard for ex-Soviet states sovereignity.
 
There is a big rumor about radio silence in the near future. Many ukranian war reporter accounts pushing this image now:

 
There is a big rumor about radio silence in the near future. Many ukranian war reporter accounts pushing this image now:


There is also an increasing amount of reports about Ukrainian operations on the left bank of the Dnipro. Looks a bit like they are probing Russian defences over a long front and don't want to give too much away to them, before they actually start a large scale attack.
 
There is also an increasing amount of reports about Ukrainian operations on the left bank of the Dnipro. Looks a bit like they are probing Russian defences over a long front and don't want to give too much away to them, before they actually start a large scale attack.

Yeah, this would be the next logical step. They've been gathering information about Russian positions and fortifications for weeks and months now. Now it's time to test those informations and see how, where and with what kind of weapons the Russians respond, so they can hit the weak spots with their real offensive.

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I love watching Leopard videos :drool:
 
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Would be a risky move to attack Moscow as it would not only (probably) kill civilians, it would also incentivize Putin to retaliate against Kyiv/Odesa and other cities. And by retaliate, I mean much more dangerous weapons.
 

Not sure what size of drone that is, but in order to get there it must be relatively big I'd assume. Which would be disastrous news for Russian AA defence. Unless they launched it somewhere from within Moscow and its actually a small commercial drone.
 

Moscow is being mentioned more and more in the last couple of weeks or so, starting from the drones falling from the sky (conveniently being painted in Ukraine flag colours etc), to now this footage. I wonder if Russia is preparing some false flag "terror attack" like they have experience in doing to justify another mobilisation wave? Because they sure as hell need to call up a lot more people and fast.
 
Moscow is being mentioned more and more in the last couple of weeks or so, starting from the drones falling from the sky (conveniently being painted in Ukraine flag colours etc), to now this footage. I wonder if Russia is preparing some false flag "terror attack" like they have experience in doing to justify another mobilisation wave? Because they sure as hell need to call up a lot more people and fast.
I cant see how this footage can serve as false flag, if anything its embarrassing for the defence of the capital city.
 
If it's real. Could be some existing footage with text superimposed to make it seem like something the Ukranians have done.
 
I cant see how this footage can serve as false flag, if anything its embarrassing for the defence of the capital city.
I don't know, that video is most likely fake it just follows the "Ukrainian drones in Moscow region" narrative pretty well.


 
Can't imagine its difficult to get a drone above the Kremlin for 10 seconds. Are they supposed to have jammers surrounding it round the clock? Maybe they do if Putin is present.
 
A collection of a lot of reports results in this map of the current situation (nothing confirmed, just a bunch of collected Telegram posts etc):
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So the bridgehead seems to have reached a length of almost 20km by now (however not a continuous front, these are all small infantery groups operating). Russia needs to strike back fast and get controlagain, or they are really risking losing the left bank of the Dnipro and therefore the most important natural barrier in southern Ukraine.
 
Pavel, a former general and senior NATO leader, was unequivocal, however. When it comes to Ukraine, he argued, China only wants what’s best for itself — and, for now, that’s more war.

“I believe that it is in China’s interest to prolong the status quo,” Pavel said, “because it can push Russia to a number of concessions.”

Beijing, he said in an interview late last week, can get cheap oil, gas and other resources from Moscow — in exchange for its “no limits” partnership with the Kremlin. “It is also good for China that the West is probably becoming a little bit weaker by supporting Ukraine,” he added.

“I don’t think,” the Czech leader said, that “China has a real interest to resolve the war in a short time.”

Pavel, who took office as president last month, said Beijing is using the war to learn.

“China is taking lessons out of the conflict every day,” Pavel said. “They closely follow what Russia is doing, how the West is reacting.”
https://www.politico.eu/article/trust-china-ukraine-czech-republic-petr-pavel-nato-defense/
 
Interesting but I'm not sure the west is weakened in a strategic sense because of its support for Ukraine. If anything it's stronger - alliances strengthened, resolve tested, NATO reborn, military and intel tested in some useful ways, EU long term economically disentangled from Russia. Any weakness is short term, a bit of military restocking and temporary hit to gas prices, at worst.