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Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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Yes, in general I agree. Though I'd say there are a few things that make propaganda more efficient, primarily a lack of education and inequality of wealth.
It's also why I'm very critical of all kinds of tribalism, even in seemingly harmless contexts such as football. If you see how many users in here are incapable of staying at least somewhat neutral when it comes to topics surrounding their favourite football clubs, I think that's truly worrying.
It’s not either ‘let them off because they grew up with it or racist’. Come on. That looks like a city. Presumably Moscow. They have access to the internet. As already mentioned, it’s not just old folks set in their ways. There’s many of all ages that believe it.
I know a few Russians who I’ve met on my travels and they believe it too. They’re early 30s. The shite they post on Instagram is laughable. They’re well travelled too, so it’s not as if they only know Russia. They believe what they want to believe, just like Brexiters and Trump supporters who also chose to fall for the propaganda despite others around them knowing exactly what’s going on. At that point it’s idiocy at best.
There’s intercepted calls from soldiers back home, talking how happy they are to be killing Ukrainians, including civilians. They supposedly think the entire county are nazis. Zero sympathy for what happens to them. All the sympathy for those that don’t believe in the made up cause and are forced to be there though.
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Seems like that raid on a Russian village earlier was actually done by fascists this time. Russian propaganda made it out to be a lot more than it was, but it does appear that it might genuinely have been a group of Russian Neo-nazis who are fighting on behalf of Ukraine (but probably not on orders from Ukraine in this case).
At least that's what the Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten is reporting.
At least that's what the Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten is reporting.
That looks like something Sid would have made in Toy Story
Yeah!
Whoever in military engineering ever thought such design would make practical sense needs to give his own head a wobble, but I also question the people who gave their seal of approval for those.
I'm not saying they shouldn't be held responsible. But they're a product of their environment, everybody is. Do you think you'd be different if you grew up under the same circumstances? And if so, why do you believe that?
But it is more of a tragedy that they think the way they do. Same goes for Brexiteers, Trumpists, conspiracy theorists, etc.
I'm not saying they shouldn't be held responsible. But they're a product of their environment, everybody is. Do you think you'd be different if you grew up under the same circumstances? And if so, why do you believe that?
But it is more of a tragedy that they think the way they do. Same goes for Brexiteers, Trumpists, conspiracy theorists, etc.
Yeah I do think I’d be different if I was born in a city there and was well travelled. I think I’d be one of the many there that understand and acknowledge what’s going on. Much like brexit it comes down to common sense, not falling for everything the gov says, and holding more liberal views, although obviously it’s more extreme. If people in NK can grasp what’s happening though I’d say anyone can.
It would no doubt be more difficult if you were rural and had limited internet access/were in an echo chamber.
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I mean, obviously we all have certain character traits we#re born with and some are more rebellious/independent thinking/etc. and maybe those are the ones that are most likely to not be brainwashed. But I think over a population as big as Russia's or even Moscow's that evens out. So when there is a particularly high percentage of people who believe in the lies they are fed regardless of how illogical they are, it has to be something societal and if it is something societal then I find it hard to judge them.
So maybe you wouldn't be like them but there are definitely many people in our society who wouldn't. Don't get me wrong, that doesn't absolve them of the blame because in the end, we're responsible for our actions but I think it is important to understand how these things came to be and be humble/grateful that we've been born into a society that rewards and encourages independent thinking.
Sometimes i do the exercise that im in a big brother society and the ones that live in a dystopical reality and the ones that we are being fed lies are us. Seeing this interviews in russia of people in the streets is what it is in our opinion, but they must think the same of us if they see any of the opinions
Finally some foresight. I predict jets will be on the table by the end of the year.
If it’s true that Ukraine have a casualty ratio of 1:8 in Bahkmut, I can see why they’re staying there as long as possible. It’s an incredibly effective way of weakening Russia’s ability to advance elsewhere.
Christ.
Feck Putin.
So much death and waste just because he wanted to play Emperor.
And feck the Russians who supported Putin for all these years, they are responsible for this. After the war is finished and Putin is gone, all the Russians will be telling us that they never supported Putin, unfortunately this is not true.
It had been obvious since the end of November. The UKR intelligence agencies stated as much. Many people predicted that criminals would be ineffective. Human waves tactic continues to function to some extent.
The UA commander also stated that the RA still has a lot more ammunition and outshoots them, despite the fact that we expected the RA to run out of ammunition months ago. I just have a bad feeling that UA won't not be able to gain some territories this spring. Hopefully, I am wrong.
From way downtown...bang!
Do I get one of those star thingamajigs by my name?
No you get an emoji of a chemical train derailment.
Will there be a mushroom cloud backdrop? It’ll only work with the mushroom cloud backdrop.
And Cal loves his mushroom, especially when on fire.
The Leopards and Challengers will have their fun soon.
This feels more important than the jets. If the Uke tanks have a better range and accuracy than the old Soviet models (we don’t know how they’ve been retrofitted so it’s not a guarantee) then they can cause carnage with the right tactics.
Would be quite funny if 60 year old tank wracks stuck in the dirt during another mud season would slow down Russian advances like in Kyev last year. Anybody remembers the infamous 50 km convoy?
It reads as if those tanks are really vulnerable to explosives so the tactics with partizan attacks on a few vehicles in such a train could become a thing again?
Yeah exactly, and that convoy was slowed down by breakdowns and fuel needs. Both of which would be worse I’d think, with 60 year old tanks. Although I can’t see the Russians trying the same full-frontal attack again; they were pulverised this time last year.
Unlikely, as the Russian troops are just too widespread now. That kind of tactics works if the enemy does really push forward in a narrow line, but today we have real front lines, where this just can't happen any more.
But I read mud season means that only a few streets will work? Surely that means those streets will be more frequented, especially with replinishment and all that needing to take place?
Yes, but last year the Russians made a push towards Kiyv through territory they didn't control.
Now they control those areas next to the roads they have to use, so partizan attacks are more difficult to do.
Apparently they have been doing something similar around Vuhledar where they've been driving in ~15 tanks at a time and getting absolutely decimated because they've stuck to the roads as the fields are full of mines. They lost around 130 tanks in a short while. I read that last week or so, so it might be way worse for them now.
It’s unbelievable how much they fcuk things up and don’t seem to learn. It seems an intrinsic problem with the Russian military. In-built rules and dogma getting in the way of people with actual knowledge and experience on the ground.
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I think it is extremely top down and people aren't encouraged to make their own thoughts. Add to that they think pretty short term oriented to be able to present some achievements and the whole structure seems to be highly detrimental to the war effort. They are always just thinking about the next objective and not how they continue from there on. And the punishment of a lack of success fits in perfectly with that. People are concerned with their own safety so they just report what their superiors want to here meaning that the upwards flow of information is highly flawed. On that basis, the higher ups again make decisions they enforce on their subordinates ruthlessly. If you speak up, you're a traitor.
When you see that from a macro perspective, it is just very difficult to imagine how they could go out of this conflict as a victor. They may very well take Bachmut and score other points victories once in a while but at what cost? Can they really keep up that kind of attrition forever, especially with a heavily weakened economy that is going to struggle even more in the future to provide replenishments? A bit like driving at full speed when your tank is already empty and you don't know where the next gas station is, just to impress the girl sitting next to you.
I remember when the news of that initially broke, I felt so depressed because it felt like something that would completely overwhelm whatever Ukraine were able to put up. Pleasant surprise that it largely amounted to nothing.