Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

I find it difficult to know at this point how much he truly believes and how much he’s just trying to get other Russians to believe.

His history rants sounds like he's been reading books he doesn't understand and settled on his own interpretation of history. Some of the things he says is just so out there.
 
There certainly was a movement, but we didn't show any support at all. That's one people I felt the west really let down.

I think it’s difficult to criticise the West for that. It would have been an immensely hard job to get rid of Lukashenko (plus Russian backing). I’m not sure what you think they could have done that would have worked?
 
His history rants sounds like he's been reading books he doesn't understand and settled on his own interpretation of history. Some of the things he says is just so out there.

Sounds like a certain Serbian contributor in this thread!
 
Stop the whataboutism please. I am Greek, I was in Greece during the 1990s, and you know very well that Greece supported Serbia a lot during the 1990s. Greece tried to stop the wars in the Balkans. I know very well what your politicians and your media were telling you in the 1990s. Some nationalist Greek politicians were telling the Greeks the same things. During the 1990s, I thought that Serbia was mostly right on this, it was only much later that I read about the whole thing and I understood that the blame was mostly on Serbia.

I understand that you hate the West, you blame NATO for everything that happened back then. I assure you I understand. And I understand you must be unhappy living in a NATO country. I really believe it would be good for you if you read a couple of books about it to understand what happened in the 1990s from other people's perspectives, not just Serbs. It will always be hard for you to accept that the Serb nationalists are to blame for what happened back then, but still it will help you realise that it is not what you thought. And who knows, perhaps you will be happier living where you live now. You may also understand that the Russians have nothing good for Serbia (or for Greece, or for the Balkans, or for Ukraine). It is better for us all if the are defeated.

And here is an answer to your question: NATO cannot solve all the problems in the world. But NATO can solve some problems in Europe. And it did solve the problem in the Balkans, with minimum bloodshed considering the situation. Before NATO bombed Serbia, there were years and years when the EU (and Greece) tried to help the Serbs understand the situation and negotiate a solution, but the Serbs refused to listen.
For some the whole history started in 1999 when the NATO bombing occured. Thing is a quite a lot happened prior to that. Agreed on all points.
 
The most funny thing is that they’re screaming at your face in a fully transparent and open way: “we are fighting the war of genocide and conquest” and then you still have people @ExoduS claiming totally opposite. It’s so ridiculous, this is beyond my level of comprehension what goes through the mind of theirs.
I can see where he's coming from. We heard the same things in 1991. Serbia attacked Croatia although they didnt want to, they were provoked. Then they started the war in Bosnia (of course provoked ) and topped it with mass killings of Albanians in Kosovo before NATO finally intervened.
Similary now Russians and pro Russians are claiming Russia was provoked to attack Ukraine although, bless them, only thing they ever wanted was peace.

In 1991 Serb forces were bombing Dubrovnik and claimed they're not doing it but the defenders were burning tyres in the town to portray it like they're being bombed.
Every time a Ukrainian town is getting bobmed Russians says its the Ukrainians themselves who are doing it so they can get more western weapons or the their missiles... Which they're using to shot down Russian ones mind you..

Similarities (and that's just the top) are astounding.
 
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I wonder if that's not just posturing for the voters. The US has no interest in a destabilized Europe and they aren't supporting Ukraine out of selflessness alone but also in their own interest. If he doesn't know that himself, his advisors security advisors would surely highly recommed it to him.

On a sidenote, I also wonder if that is such a clever strategy. I imagine the Republican voters will be pretty divided on the matter (like on many topics). This could illustrate how hard he will find it to formulate a clear agenda without losing large chunks of his voter base.
 
I wonder if that's not just posturing for the voters. The US has no interest in a destabilized Europe and they aren't supporting Ukraine out of selflessness alone but also in their own interest. If he doesn't know that himself, his advisors will surely do.

On a sidenote, I also wonder if that is such a clever strategy. I imagine the Republican voters will be pretty divided on the matter (like on many topics). This could illustrate how hard he will find it to formulate a clear agenda without losing large chunks of his voter base.
He's certainly trying to ensure that he doesn't get outflanked on his right from more rabid America Firsters, so this is somewhat performative, but it also shows that he has no foreign policy chops of which to speak that he will need in the general. I was nervous of DeSantis a while back, I'm slowly seeing that he doesn't appear to be as impactful as I once thought.
 
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I’m just glad there are (almost) two years until Biden steps down. I wouldn’t trust De Santos or Trump to continue the kind of aid that’s needed.
 
I wonder if that's not just posturing for the voters. The US has no interest in a destabilized Europe and they aren't supporting Ukraine out of selflessness alone but also in their own interest. If he doesn't know that himself, his advisors security advisors would surely highly recommed it to him.

On a sidenote, I also wonder if that is such a clever strategy. I imagine the Republican voters will be pretty divided on the matter (like on many topics). This could illustrate how hard he will find it to formulate a clear agenda without losing large chunks of his voter base.

I hope you’re right. There also might be an element of simply arguing against what Biden is currently doing, in order to show he’s different. i.e. if Biden had done nothing about Ukraine then RDS might be sitting there calling him weak, just for the contrast.
 
He's certainly trying to ensure that he doesn't get outflanked on his right from more rabid America Firsters, so this is somewhat performative, but it also shows that he has no foreign policy chops of which to speak that he will need in the general. I was nervous of DeSantis a while back, I'm slowly seeing that he doesn't appear to be as impactful as I once thought.

He’s the one who’ll win it I think, especially if he comes up against Biden. I’d rather see Trump against Biden/Harris than DeSantis
 
For as long as this specific thread is concerned, I'm not in the mood to get sidetracked. The Geopolitics and Israel/Palestine threads are there for you.

You can probably think this thread shouldn't be sidetracked without supporting the narrative that Israel are just defending themselves. Israel are the aggressors, like Russia.
 
He's certainly trying to ensure that he doesn't get outflanked on his right from more rabid America Firsters, so this is somewhat performative, but it also shows that he has no foreign policy chops of which to speak that he will need in the general. I was nervous of DeSantis a while back, I'm slowly seeing that he doesn't appear to be as impactful as I once thought.

Yeah and the question will be if he can make that balancing act. Trump will go all in again with his lunacy and when DeSantis follows up, he'll lose voters on the other end. Trump will throw dirt at him and the dirtier it gets, the less likely his supporters are to switch to DeSantis if he wins the race for the Republican candidate. Mid to long term, Trumpism hasn't really done the Republican party a favor by brain washing huge chunks of their voter base.

I hope you’re right. There also might be an element of simply arguing against what Biden is currently doing, in order to show he’s different. i.e. if Biden had done nothing about Ukraine then RDS might be sitting there calling him weak, just for the contrast.

He might copy Biden, stay vague on the more polarizing agenda points and double down on the motto "we may not agree on everything but we're united in that we want a new president" but a) Biden almost failed with it despite his opponent being much more polarizing and b) the duel with Trump will be dirty and leave DeSantis with a lot of ill will among Trump's supporters. Plus Trump probably won't play along with that.

From far away, I'm hopeful that the Republicans won't win the next election. And as you mention, two years is a long time and this war might even come to an end until then, maybe with inflation slowing down and all that. But even if not, the Republicans as far as I can see have been generally supportive of aid to Ukraine and it is telling how important it is to them if they refrain from their usual opportunism. Which is why I have the feeling that DeSantis will face huge resistance from his own people and potential voters if he really plans on reducing this support.
 
Yeah and the question will be if he can make that balancing act. Trump will go all in again with his lunacy and when DeSantis follows up, he'll lose voters on the other end. Trump will throw dirt at him and the dirtier it gets, the less likely his supporters are to switch to DeSantis if he wins the race for the Republican candidate. Mid to long term, Trumpism hasn't really done the Republican party a favor by brain washing huge chunks of their voter base.



He might copy Biden, stay vague on the more polarizing agenda points and double down on the motto "we may not agree on everything but we're united in that we want a new president" but a) Biden almost failed with it despite his opponent being much more polarizing and b) the duel with Trump will be dirty and leave DeSantis with a lot of ill will among Trump's supporters. Plus Trump probably won't play along with that.

From far away, I'm hopeful that the Republicans won't win the next election. And as you mention, two years is a long time and this war might even come to an end until then, maybe with inflation slowing down and all that. But even if not, the Republicans as far as I can see have been generally supportive of aid to Ukraine and it is telling how important it is to them if they refrain from their usual opportunism. Which is why I have the feeling that DeSantis will face huge resistance from his own people and potential voters if he really plans on reducing this support.

There’s a split in the GOP between the isolationists and the interventionist commie bashers; it’s very difficult to predict how that will play out. I’m almost at the point where I’d prefer Trump to get the nomination (on the grounds that he’s more likely to lose), but I really don’t know. I’ll be absolutely gutted if support for Ukraine diminishes after 2024 simply because of political point scoring.
 
USA bombed us with depleted uranium. Wasn't a good time at all.

Could Russia one day invade Serbia? Probably. I wouldn't like that, no.
After you guys did genocides (plural) in Bosnia and Kosovo.

Not surprising your unconditional support for another genocidal regime.
 
Anything meaningful from the Putin's speech?

No, just the same old rambling straight out of every warmongering dictator's playbook. The poor provoked russia fighting a heroic war against the devilish west to save their people and morals.
And of course the mandatory indirect nuclear threat must not be missing. They suspend the START treaty for now. But these are just more empty words. Their old, rotting arsenal slows down their nuclear potency more than any treaty does. And right now, they have no money anyways to spend on new nuclear bombs.
The mood during his speech reminded of a funeral, which suits if you think about it, because every speech from Putin is a new funeral for Russia's future.
 
No, just the same old rambling straight out of every warmongering dictator's playbook. The poor provoked russia fighting a heroic war against the devilish west to save their people and morals.
And of course the mandatory indirect nuclear threat must not be missing. They suspend the START treaty for now. But these are just more empty words. Their old, rotting arsenal slows down their nuclear potency more than any treaty does. And right now, they have no money anyways to spend on new nuclear bombs.
The mood during his speech reminded of a funeral, which suits if you think about it, because every speech from Putin is a new funeral for Russia's future.
Just see the bit about west opening the path for Hitler and nazis.
Somebody should mention him Molotov-Ribbentrop deal.
 
Agreed, yet they do all sit there and lap it up don't they.

Yeah I mean I probably would if I was there for self preservation purposes :lol:

But it's so weird hearing a rant translated live - the poor bloke on the BBC translating sounded confused talking between historic injustices of pre-20th century geo politics, flipping to the state shouldn't intervene in peoples private lives which was then immediately followed by "have you see what the Anglican church is doing? bloody gone gender neutral! crazy right!?". Definitely did Putin no favours in terms of delivery, I'm sure.

Anyway, he's pulled out of the nuclear arms treaty. Can't believe the West has forced him to do that, he literally has no choice.

Honestly such a nuts country lead by a mad man.
 
Right...and now everyone knows it.

That's the entire point. To thwart the Russian plan by making it public. Just as the US did when Russians were amassing along the Ukrainian border in early Feb of last year - it ended up disrupting and delaying Putin's plot for a full on invasion, and in the process, bought the Ukrainians critical time to prepare.
 
"The US government estimates that the Wagner group has suffered more than 30,000 causalities, including roughly 9,000 dead in the battle for the city of Bakhmut. About half of those 9,000 have been killed since mid-December, US National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby said last week. And about 90% of those killed in December were recruited from Russian prisons, he said." - CNN

"Elsewhere, UK intelligence officials have estimated that Russian regular forces and Wagner troops may have suffered between 175,000-200,000 casualties - including 40,000-60,000 deaths." - BBC
 
"The US government estimates that the Wagner group has suffered more than 30,000 causalities, including roughly 9,000 dead in the battle for the city of Bakhmut. About half of those 9,000 have been killed since mid-December, US National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby said last week. And about 90% of those killed in December were recruited from Russian prisons, he said." - CNN

"Elsewhere, UK intelligence officials have estimated that Russian regular forces and Wagner troops may have suffered between 175,000-200,000 casualties - including 40,000-60,000 deaths." - BBC
Vietnam-esque KIA numbers in 1 year?
 
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Looks like Ukraine is finally applying those 150km range GLSDB in the direction of Mariupol / of course it could still be remaining Tochkas, multiple explosions are reported. Not many options there really.