I am not talking about the methods used... But do you not know why your regime was attacked back then? Did they not tell you what your army was doing to civilians in Kosovo?
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Someone has been watching too many Russian troll memes over the years on FB, targeted specifically for people like you. I rest my case. I’m Russian speaking who have been to Ukraine on multiple occasions and you cannot believe how ridiculous this all sounds to me. Ffs just watch and listen to the videos from frontlines from Ukrainian soldiers, even now a lot of them communicate in Russian without any concerns.Also, again dodged the question on how non-nuclear Ukraine is a threat to Russia for the 3rd time? Or Russian troll memes didn’t expand on this, so it’s difficult to come up with a reasonable answer?
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Those flights have been going on since day 1, it's not unusual, if you check out FR24 you can track most of them including some of the drones, USAF, RAF and others around central Euope and the Black Sea
He’s probably going to claim the US started that one as well
My take on possible 'escalation' is that the only real worry is if Putin is willing to sacrifice much of his air force to take out defences and try to achieve some sort of air dominance, there are reports of a recent build up of planes closer to the border. I still don't see it mind you... They called off their air assaults after losing 3 or 4 planes per day when Ukraine's AD was 100 times weaker than it is now. They would risk so much.
Its all just posturing I expect. I doubt there really will be any more escalation than what they currently failing with in Vuhledar and Bahkmut.
Serbia under Slobodan Milošević was murdering neighbors for years and years before NATO put a stop to it. It was Serbia's fault all along, and only Serbia's fault. Many European countries asked Serbia to stop, but they wouldn't listen. I am Greek and I am telling you this. You should blame Serbia and Milosevic for the wars they caused in the 1990s, there was no need for those wars. So many people lost only because some idiots wanted a "Great Serbia".
Why is Israel not getting bombed by NATO for what they are doing to Palestinians?
Because they are usually retaliating to an attack on them + hypocrisy of course
Don't speak on things you know nothing about. Ridiculous.
You're an expert i suppose
Rather braindepraved
Here's the original video that has managed to wind the Russians up
What are you a couple of apartheid and occupation sympathizers?
For as long as this specific thread is concerned, I'm not in the mood to get sidetracked. The Geopolitics and Israel/Palestine threads are there for you.
Thought I’d call out the sheer hypocrisy. But I agree we can move on.
Stop the whataboutism please. I am Greek, I was in Greece during the 1990s, and you know very well that Greece supported Serbia a lot during the 1990s. Greece tried to stop the wars in the Balkans. I know very well what your politicians and your media were telling you in the 1990s. Some nationalist Greek politicians were telling the Greeks the same things. During the 1990s, I thought that Serbia was mostly right on this, it was only much later that I read about the whole thing and I understood that the blame was mostly on Serbia.
I understand that you hate the West, you blame NATO for everything that happened back then. I assure you I understand. And I understand you must be unhappy living in a NATO country. I really believe it would be good for you if you read a couple of books about it to understand what happened in the 1990s from other people's perspectives, not just Serbs. It will always be hard for you to accept that the Serb nationalists are to blame for what happened back then, but still it will help you realise that it is not what you thought. And who knows, perhaps you will be happier living where you live now. You may also understand that the Russians have nothing good for Serbia (or for Greece, or for the Balkans, or for Ukraine). It is better for us all if the are defeated.
And here is an answer to your question: NATO cannot solve all the problems in the world. But NATO can solve some problems in Europe. And it did solve the problem in the Balkans, with minimum bloodshed considering the situation. Before NATO bombed Serbia, there were years and years when the EU (and Greece) tried to help the Serbs understand the situation and negotiate a solution, but the Serbs refused to listen.
Scale?
We have a thread for that.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/israel-palestine-discussion.438643/page-205
And we have a thread for your general whataboutery.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/geopolitics-too-whataboutery-for-other-threads.469141/page-66
It would be great if you took your off-topic side quests to them so this thread can get back to its actual topic of conversation.
Tucker Carlson? That’s what you’re bringing to this?
To be fair it does look quite convincing, they've done a great job photoshopping this and it's something that you can expect from Russian propaganda.
Interesting report in a german rag this morning:
Vladimir Putin apparently wants to take over Belarus: Secret paper shows plan
This emerges from a leaked secret paper from the Moscow presidential administration, which is available to the Süddeutsche Zeitung , WDR and NDR.
Accordingly, Putin wants to gradually take over the neighboring country. This is to be done by infiltrating Belarus, ruled by Alexander Lukashenko, on an economic, military and political level. One of Putin's goals: to reduce Western influence and create a bulwark against NATO.
The targets are listed on a 17-page document that several Western secret services believe to be authentic, according to SZ . "The content of the document is plausible and corresponds to what we also perceive," a senior intelligence official told the paper.
Vladimir Putin apparently wants to take over Belarus: Secret paper shows plan
This emerges from a leaked secret paper from the Moscow presidential administration, which is available to the Süddeutsche Zeitung , WDR and NDR.
Accordingly, Putin wants to gradually take over the neighboring country. This is to be done by infiltrating Belarus, ruled by Alexander Lukashenko, on an economic, military and political level. One of Putin's goals: to reduce Western influence and create a bulwark against NATO.
The targets are listed on a 17-page document that several Western secret services believe to be authentic, according to SZ . "The content of the document is plausible and corresponds to what we also perceive," a senior intelligence official told the paper.
The bloody expansionist West again.
Obvious move. Belarus is there for the taking. Unlikely there would be any serious fighting back going on and they would surely not receive any help from the west, certainly not as long as Lukashenko is in charge. I mean it's already pretty much taken over by having 1000s of Russian troops on their lands.
Putin's rants are becoming so boring. Currently diving into 19th century history to explain why nothing is Russia's fault.
I need to find them and link them but I read some articles on the current huge importance of Belarus for Russia.
Not talking about historical claptrap. Allegedly the Belarussian military industry is producing some munitions and transport vehicles that are absolutely necessary for the Russian army's ongoing war in Ukraine. Their military industries, Russia's & Belarus', were intertwined and co-dependent (though obviously Belarus relies much more on Russia than the inverse) since the Soviet era. The difference now being that Russia is at war, so the Belarusian industry becomes critical for the former. Also the Belarus is becoming a training ground for the Russian troops, who lost a lot of their experienced officers and trainers/educators in the failed March 2021 offensive for Kiev and is keeping the rest of them engaged in the war effort.
If the above are true, a slow takeover of Belarus is to be expected. The Kremlin cannot risk Belarus slipping from its orbit, at this time more than ever. But while recognising that the dependence on Belarus might be a soft spot of Russia, there is 0 appetite for Western involvement in Belarus to disrupt Russia's business. There is no fledgling democracy there to protect, unlike Ukraine. No movement to support. Their state is far more compromised by and dependent on Russia than Ukraine was. And Ukraine is (probably) already pushing at the limits of western voters' willingness for foreign intervention in ways of financial and military support.
Not talking about historical claptrap. Allegedly the Belarussian military industry is producing some munitions and transport vehicles that are absolutely necessary for the Russian army's ongoing war in Ukraine. Their military industries, Russia's & Belarus', were intertwined and co-dependent (though obviously Belarus relies much more on Russia than the inverse) since the Soviet era. The difference now being that Russia is at war, so the Belarusian industry becomes critical for the former. Also the Belarus is becoming a training ground for the Russian troops, who lost a lot of their experienced officers and trainers/educators in the failed March 2021 offensive for Kiev and is keeping the rest of them engaged in the war effort.
If the above are true, a slow takeover of Belarus is to be expected. The Kremlin cannot risk Belarus slipping from its orbit, at this time more than ever. But while recognising that the dependence on Belarus might be a soft spot of Russia, there is 0 appetite for Western involvement in Belarus to disrupt Russia's business. There is no fledgling democracy there to protect, unlike Ukraine. No movement to support. Their state is far more compromised by and dependent on Russia than Ukraine was. And Ukraine is (probably) already pushing at the limits of western voters' willingness for foreign intervention in ways of financial and military support.
Agreed, yet they do all sit there and lap it up don't they.
It's either that or a suicide by falling from a window with 5 gunshots in your back.
There certainly was a movement, but we didn't show any support at all. That's one people I felt the west really let down.
Oh dear
Is Tucker Carlson the most popular source of news in Serbia by any chance? It would explain a lot.Perhaps so. But a movement needs to have figureheads and crucially, support from factions within the power structures of the state. It needs people with hard power and influence to want to be part of the change.
The Ukrainian state in 2014 had that. Yes it was compromised by Russia, but there were enough people in position of power that weren’t compromised and wanted change. Hence when Euromaidan took place and 100 or so people died in the crackdown, the security services and a lot of politicians decided that that was enough. Yanukovych was impeached, the security services commanders started not following his orders and then the President had to flee the country to Russia. But when the whole state apparatus is supportive of the regime no matter what, it’s extremely difficult to effect change.
Likewise, if there were large protests in Moscow, how do you support regime change if everyone within the power structures stays loyal to the regime? If all the people in the Duma and the Kremlin, all the heads of security services and all the oligarchs are aligned in the belief that regime change would be catastrophic for them and if all the actual adversaries of the regime are just completely powerless people… where do you start?
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I'm amazed at how easily he can just outright lie to his people, and how he proceeds to make up nonsensical arguments as to why his lie isn't a lie.
The GDP and economic bit is interesting though. He's basically saying that while it may look like Russia's economy is collapsing, it's not and it's just a minor restructuring, pay no attention to the crumbling industrial sector.
I find it difficult to know at this point how much he truly believes and how much he’s just trying to get other Russians to believe.
18.5% Increase in minimum wage! That's not a good sign.