You seem to be confusing Russian expansionism as western expansionism. Remember, its Putin who thinks Ukraine isn't a real country (it is) and thinks it should be a part of Russia. He invaded because he's afraid Ukraine will be come a strong democratic country, which could weaken him domestically given that he's authoritarian. Therefore the correct way to look at this is that it is Putin who is fascist dictator seeking to invade his neighbors (Georgia, Ukraine, the Baltics, Moldova etc) if they don't capitulate to his demands. He is therefore the one in the wrong and must be defeated. It is up to the Ukrainian people to decide which direction they want to go in and they have done so. It is not up to Putin to decide what the public of a foreign nation have already decided for themselves.
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You seem to be confusing Russian expansionism as western expansionism. Remember, its Putin who thinks Ukraine isn't a real country (it is) and thinks it should be a part of Russia. He invaded because he's afraid Ukraine will be come a strong democratic country, which could weaken him domestically given that he's authoritarian. Therefore the correct way to look at this is that it is Putin who is fascist dictator seeking to invade his neighbors (Georgia, Ukraine, the Baltics, Moldova etc) if they don't capitulate to his demands. He is therefore the one in the wrong and must be defeated. It is up to the Ukrainian people to decide which direction they want to go in and they have done so. It is not up to Putin to decide what the public of a foreign nation have already decided for themselves.
@ExoduS why don’t you reply? Is it because your brainwashed brain can not put together a cohesive answer when confronted with a reasonable question?
This saying springs to mind ‘those who start burning books finish by burning bodies’
You could say so. I do not have a good answer why most of Europe is in NATO. I am curious what future has for that organization. Maybe they will conquer Russia eventually or collapse.
As we've seen in recent years, NATO has been both useful and needed in combating Putin's expansionist vision of a Russian Empire. Without the support of NATO, Ukraine would already be fully controlled by Putin right now. Once Putin and authoritarian Russia go away, the concept of NATO will have less meaning. Until then, it is not only needed, but essential in preventing Putin from invading Europe.
Most of Europe is in NATO because they know individually they could not win a war against Russia, however, given the Russian military performance in Ukraine one or two might think otherwise now
No. Countries are in NATO, because they don't want to have war against Russia and that's the sole reason more want to join.
It's nothing about who could take anyone on alone.
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Why do you think NATO was formed in the first place?
Time will tell. I hope we all live to see how this conflict shape the future of forever changing geo-political map of the World.
You seriously wonder why someone living in Latvia or Poland might currently be looking at Ukraine or previously looking at Georgia and then looking at their own countries and thinking why most of Europe is in NATO?
You could play the Königgrätzer Marsch in the background and yet it would not sound so out of place. Just sad.
Goose-stepping morons should try reading books instead of burning them.
It always baffles me how many of the apologists for Russia take a view in which Russia is not only a victim of Western agression, but they give the Ukrainian people no agency. No agency at all. They don't deserve to decide which way they want their country to be governed.
This is a central point, and I don’t understand how people miss it so casually.
Russia invading a neighbor = western expansionism
Mind blowing how someone can actually think like this.
It's not that they miss it. They deliberately ignore it. It goes against their narrative.
Sometimes you also hear the argument that the West should have just said "no" to these countries wishing to join NATO. Or specific to Ukraine: the people were fine with Yanukovych and Maidan was a Western plot.
This is their biggest mistake and it was also Putins biggest miscalculation leading to the war. It's not the west or NATO or the EU or the US that is standing up to the Russian aggression, it's the Ukrainian people that is doing it. 40 million people from all walks of life, trained soldiers to old babushkas, they are all doing their best to keep the Russians out. Sure the weapons that have been donated are helping a lot but even without those weapons the Ukrainians would still fight for every inch of their land no matter what anyone in Europe, America or Russia tells them.
Small update on Finnish Leopard tanks. The Finnish defence minister just said in an interview that Finlands participation in the Leopard coalition will be finalised in the comming days. He also said that he thinks Finland will contribute to both the German and the Polish battalion, Finland has both 2A4s and 2A6s in it's inventory.
Exactly, agency of Ukrainians is only ignored when they disagree with it. Yanukovych winning presidential election in 2010 has been used dozens of times in this thread to justify claiming that Russian-speaking Ukrainians actually support the invasion.
Bill Browder taking no prisoners here.
The US and China are economically interdependent so making China pay would be hard, at least through economic means. What Biden could however do is get publicly cozier with Taiwan, which would enrage Beijing.
Macron is the most pathetic leader out there, do these cretins go through history lessons?
Between Macron and Édouard Daladier, I don't know who is worse when it comes to derelicting duty in front of a bullying tyrant.
What is he afraid of if the Putin regime crumbles as the direct outcome of this war?
I'd tell China that if they start selling Russia serious weaponry, Taiwan would be able to purchase the F-35's they were denied some years ago.
Good shout. That would worry Beijing as well.
Word on the street (TWITTER), that Biden arrived in Kyiv. A lot videos of huge secured motorcade riding through the city & roadblocks. Whoever it is, must be important enough.
Russia invading a neighbor = western expansionism
Mind blowing how someone can actually think like this.
Case study of cognitive dissonances
This isn't related to any specific event in the war, but rather perception and people's thought processes on the whole.
For quite some time now it has...well I wouldn't say fascinated me, but has piqued my curiosity, that there are people who are so very anti 'West' (Which in this case usually refers to the US and UK) that they end up being pro Russia, but the very reasons why they are anti West are also present in Russia as well to a large extent, the exception being Russia doesn't attempt to be as inclusive to minorities and such. It's an interesting bit of cognitive dissonance.
For quite some time now it has...well I wouldn't say fascinated me, but has piqued my curiosity, that there are people who are so very anti 'West' (Which in this case usually refers to the US and UK) that they end up being pro Russia, but the very reasons why they are anti West are also present in Russia as well to a large extent, the exception being Russia doesn't attempt to be as inclusive to minorities and such. It's an interesting bit of cognitive dissonance.
Funnily yesterday I was looking at this thread on Twitter and stumbled upon this guy’s prediction based on the nature of surveillance flights:
Some smart people out there.
Surprising, but in a way not surprising.
It was about time nevertheless. Still, the timing is perfect after the issue of potential Chinese lethal support to Russia in this war was raised yesterday.
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Joe Biden is a good leader. We are lucky to have him as President. I hope he announces major new military assistance to Ukraine!
It does seem so extremely unlikely from a rational point of view. Unless China is hellbent on escalating its Cold War with the U.S. from an ideological perspective, the potential gains of supporting Russia seem so incredibly slim while the damage to its economical ties with Europe & U.S. is going to be massive (which will hit both sides, obviously). China is already in the best possible spot at the moment, its significantly benefitting from Western sanctions on Russia which made that the latter became extremely dependent on China both as a market for its natural resources & as its main path for any technological import without risking literally anything.
Can't remember the last president going to a war zone & roaming the capital & not on a military base / green zone.
Not only because of the possible chinese support. But also one day before Putin's speech where he will try to convince his people again of the weak and struggling west and a strong russia. This visit sent a very powerful message to russia, that the west is in contrary to their belief still united and determined to support ukraine as long as needed. No matter what Putin will say tomorrow, this visit will be the bigger message.
The head of his Secret Service detail must be on some serious blood pressure lowering meds right now.
No doubt Putin is seething right now.
No doubt. They did shut down large swaths of real estate around the presidential palace & the church, rounded up civilians & stuck them into hotels, restaurants, & other larger capacity businesses. The real danger was via missiles & that's what probably gave angina to the head of SS.