Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

This thread is full of people who get taken for a ride time and time again. And will only learn after the fact, when someone leaks classified documents. They would then forget it quickly and hop on the next ride.


His views on apartheid Israel are certainly more accurate than yours, Raoul. So I'm not sure I buy into your opinion of him.

Just because he agrees with you and your particular pet cause issue doesn't mean he's correct in everything he randomly pukes up on social media. He's a massive bellend who deserves the endless ridicule and mockery he receives.
 
It is. For example Rheinmetall is building a new facility in Germany to produce medium caliber ammuninition and just yesterday the contracts were signed that they will produce and deliver the 35mm Gepard ammo for Ukraine. And that's not the only movement towards more ammo production, but just an example.
Yes, but a large stock of old, degrading artillery isn’t going to be as useful as a growing stock of new artillery. Not to mention, Russia’s entire army doctrine relies on burning through massive quantities of shells and howitzer barrels before making an assault. Doing that with reduced quality equipment is going to lead to a large capability gap between what their stockpile can provide and what their doctrine demands. It will lead to them ordering, as we’ve already seen evidence of, large infantry assaults without their usual covering artillery and armor. Fighting in Ukraine has increasingly resembled the Western Front of WWI and in recent months we have been witnessing Russia’s capability and doctrine devolve from Western Front 1917-1918 practices to Western Front 1914-1915 practices… which is not good for them. 1914-1915 showed what happens to infantry assaults against prepared positions without adequate artillery support, and it was a bloodbath.

The US, for one, is increasing artillery production by 500%.
Those developments are great. At the very least, it will provide some comfort to UA defenders to know that better and more supplies will continue to arrive for them as long as they are willing to fight.
 
Just because he agrees with you and your particular pet cause issue doesn't mean he's correct in everything he randomly pukes up on social media. He's a massive bellend who deserves the endless ridicule and mockery he receives.
I think you meant that he agrees with me and all noteworthy human rights organizations on a very important subject.

At least he gives me a reason to not discredit him entirely and listen to what he says. I'm willing to listen to your opinion on why he's a massive bellend though, genuinely.
 
I think you meant that he agrees with me and all noteworthy human rights organizations on a very important subject.

At least he gives me a reason to not discredit him entirely and listen to what he says. I'm willing to listen to your opinion on why he's a massive bellend though, genuinely.

So basically humans all who don't agree with you and Jimmy Dore are not "noteworthy". That's quite a position to take.
 
This thread is full of people who get taken for a ride time and time again. And will only learn after the fact, when someone leaks classified documents. They would then forget it quickly and hop on the next ride.

Mind being specific about what people are taken for a ride on regarding the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Please be as detailed as possible.
 
So basically humans all who don't agree with you and Jimmy Dore are not "noteworthy". That's quite a position to take.
Are you being purposefully obtuse? I said human rights organizations. Noteworthy in this instance would refer to the depth of their study on the matter. Amnesty, Human Rights Watch, Betselem and others.

But you do support apartheid Israel, so it's only right that you'd think human beings would go into "noteworthy" and "not noteworthy" categories. Freudian.
 
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Are you being purposefully obtuse? I said human rights organizations. Noteworthy in this instance would refer to the depth of their study on the matter. Amnesty, Human Rights Watch, Betselem and others.

But you do support apartheid Israel, so it's only right that you'd think human beings would go into "noteworthy" and "not noteworthy" categories. Freudian.

Unlike you, I don't have a dog in the fight, which allows for a degree of objectivity. Now lets stop derailing this thread with your Israel/Palestine talk. Further discussion can be had in the appropriate thread.
 
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This thread is full of people who get taken for a ride time and time again. And will only learn after the fact, when someone leaks classified documents. They would then forget it quickly and hop on the next ride.


His views on apartheid Israel are certainly more accurate than yours, Raoul. So I'm not sure I buy into your opinion of him.

Jesus Christ… and you don’t know your arse from your elbow, facts from fiction.
 
This thread is full of people who get taken for a ride time and time again. And will only learn after the fact, when someone leaks classified documents. They would then forget it quickly and hop on the next ride.


His views on apartheid Israel are certainly more accurate than yours, Raoul. So I'm not sure I buy into your opinion of him.

I’m presumably being taken for a ride then, maybe because I don’t have the benefit of listening to the likes of great minds such as Pilger and Corbyn. Please explain what we are all missing about an imperialistic war of conquest to dominate a neighbour and suppress its identity? Is it the solipsistic rationale that Ukraine does not have agency (any preference of its people to align with the EU and NATO obviously being a product of US manipulation) while the current regime in Russia is merely reactive to events provoked by the West and therefore similarly lacks the ability to formulate its own range of interests and objectives?
 
Are you being purposefully obtuse? I said human rights organizations. Noteworthy in this instance would refer to the depth of their study on the matter. Amnesty, Human Rights Watch, Betselem and others.

But you do support apartheid Israel, so it's only right that you'd think human beings would go into "noteworthy" and "not noteworthy" categories. Freudian.

What are you on about, there are plenty in the US against the likes of Netanyahu and the ultra orthodox Israelis, two wrongs don't make a right.
 
This thread is full of people who get taken for a ride time and time again. And will only learn after the fact, when someone leaks classified documents. They would then forget it quickly and hop on the next ride.

Mind being specific about what people are taken for a ride on regarding the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Please be as detailed as possible.

Nothing? Just a drive-by comment? I guess Raoul was the intended target, the rest of us were just collateral.
 
Pretty direct & a bit scathing speech she gave today…


I hope that will be followed by a press conference featuring many of the prosecutors who went after Milosevic and his cronies in the 2000s. We will need as much input as possible from the people who were last involved in a major case of war crimes.
 
Don't forget the absolute shameless and brazen lying before the invasion.



Also, we should not forget all those in the West who believed the Russian lies. And especially those who were helping spread these lies.

Some people in the West really believed that the Russians are going after some Nazis in Ukraine and that was the main reason for the invasion. Is it astounding that some people really believed that 12 months ago, Russia amassed over 150,000 soldiers with the only goal to go and eliminate the Nazis from some other country, and then they'd just leave peacefully and everyone would be happy. Just a quick special operation involving an army of 150,000.
 
Blinken is warning allies that China may step up the support to Russia by providing lethal weapons. It will be almost entirely on Biden’s admin as they have failed to provide Ukraine with everything they needed to drive Russia away ages ago, it’s going to be a consequence of piss weak policy regarding weapon supply and all sorts of stupid restrictions they have put on themselves.
 
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Blinken is warning allies that China may step up the support to Russia by providing lethal weapons. It will be almost entirely on Biden’s admin as they have failed to provide Ukraine with everything they needed to drive Russia away ages ago, it’s going to be a consequence of piss weak policy regarding weapon supply and all sorts of stupid restrictions they have put on themselves.

It's days like this where I can really hate the Western way of doing things at times. Doing the right thing should not come with restrictions nor unnecessary delays.

As for China, it's time to warn them that sanctions in the same ilk as the ones on Russia would come if they send lethal weapons. That is another one worthy of being treated as a pariah state if they keep on going down the road. In any case, their behavior in the last decade has been nothing short of what pariah states do.
 
It was obvious from the start that China will aid Russia in this war against western expansionism to the east. It is in their best interest.
 
It was obvious from the start that China will aid Russia in this war against western expansionism to the east. It is in their best interest.
If you like to support those dictatorships, go ahead and live there. You should not even enjoy the perks of capitalist and democratic life in the US.
 
If you like to support those dictatorships, go ahead and live there. You should not even enjoy the perks of capitalist and democratic life in the US.

I am enjoying perks of my hard work. I am also enjoying perks of of my ancestors first getting slaughtered in Jasenovac, then ethnically cleansed in August of 1995. I have no issue with organic capitalism, but I do have issues with US military industrial complex.

Those that complain how west is giving Ukraine weapons one spoon at the time. That is not a failure of Biden administration. That is the exact plan of Biden administration.
 
It was obvious from the start that China will aid Russia in this war against western expansionism to the east. It is in their best interest.
Russia and China should ask themselves why countries want to shift to the West.
 
Because if they don't shift to the west and allow forever growing expansionism, they get sprinkled with a bit of democracy.

Ah so Ukraine were getting invaded soon from the West right?
 
Because if they don't shift to the west and allow forever growing expansionism, they get sprinkled with a bit of democracy.
So Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria, Finland and Sweden all joined/are joining NATO because of military threats fom the west?
 
I am enjoying perks of my hard work. I am also enjoying perks of of my ancestors first getting slaughtered in Jasenovac, then ethnically cleansed in August of 1995. I have no issue with organic capitalism, but I do have issues with US military industrial complex.

Those that complain how west is giving Ukraine weapons one spoon at the time. That is not a failure of Biden administration. That is the exact plan of Biden administration.

So you think Putin - a totalitarian, fascist dictator is better than democracy do you ?
 
It's days like this where I can really hate the Western way of doing things at times. Doing the right thing should not come with restrictions nor unnecessary delays.

As for China, it's time to warn them that sanctions in the same ilk as the ones on Russia would come if they send lethal weapons. That is another one worthy of being treated as a pariah state if they keep on going down the road. In any case, their behavior in the last decade has been nothing short of what pariah states do.

Can they afford to do the same to China, with all the manufacturing and such that takes place there?
 
So Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria, Finland and Sweden all joined/are joining NATO because of military threats fom the west?

What I find utterly pathetic from all of Putin's apologists is how clueless they are about history as a whole. The reason why those countries joined NATO at various points in time was the following of historical elements in this order: Russia's behavior during the First Chechen War, Russia's support for Milosevic's regime despite what was done in Kosovo, and now this in Ukraine.

Can they afford to do the same to China, with all the manufacturing and such that takes place there?

The decoupling process is already advancing well. A good chunk of clothing I find in stores nowadays are made in other Asian countries, such as Cambodia for the most recent United shirt I bought. Also the recent measures on semi-conductors avoid a dependency on China for high-tech devices. Japan, by far the most important economic neighbor to China, have been moving most of their manufacturing away from China and back to the homeland.

Anyway, I'm not straying off-topic any further here.
 
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So you think Putin - a totalitarian, fascist dictator is better than democracy do you ?

I do not think highly of Putin, no. One doesn't have to like Putin to be against western expansionism. I don't see this as goodies vs badies. It's one corrupt system against another fighting for control.