Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

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Some more on this, after reading through the various threads on it.

The flying debris at the beginning shows something has just exploded right next to him, then seconds later he takes out the btr/bmp with the rpg (smoke seen, cannon fire stops). Proceeds to take out at least 3 guys and considering he's lived to release the footage fair to say they fended off the full squad assaulting them.

2nd guy is there to feed weapons/reloads, he uses 3 different weapons in the 30 sec clip. Judging from other videos released from the same source, this dude has been defending the same trench on the front lines for at least the past two months... absolute unit. I for one, will not be complaining about my job today.

I suspect NATO troops will be visiting Ukraine for training in the future, not the other way around.
 
Simbo said:
I suspect NATO troops will be visiting Ukraine for training in the future, not the other way around.
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While this is true for some of the novel tactics against the RA, a lot of the success is the pure relentnessness in defending your homeland and is not something that can be taught in lectures.

Some of the clips are real life COD though.
 
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Simbo said:
Some more on this, after reading through the various threads on it.

The flying debris at the beginning shows something has just exploded right next to him, then seconds later he takes out the btr/bmp with the rpg (smoke seen, cannon fire stops). Proceeds to take out at least 3 guys and considering he's lived to release the footage fair to say they fended off the full squad assaulting them.

2nd guy is there to feed weapons/reloads, he uses 3 different weapons in the 30 sec clip. Judging from other videos released from the same source, this dude has been defending the same trench on the front lines for at least the past two months... absolute unit. I for one, will not be complaining about my job today.

I suspect NATO troops will be visiting Ukraine for training in the future, not the other way around.
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UK Navy already used to train re counter UAV tactics pre war in Ukraine because they had so much experience fighting them in the Donbas although I doubt NATO has much interest in training trench warfare tactics like in the video. That said, it's a sterling effort from those two soldiers in a difficult situation almost like a video game with all the different weapons he's using.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
UK Navy already used to train re counter UAV tactics pre war in Ukraine because they had so much experience fighting them in the Donbas although I doubt NATO has much interest in training trench warfare tactics like in the video. That said, it's a sterling effort from those two soldiers in a difficult situation almost like a video game with all the different weapons he's using.
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Yeh, I said that in part to counter some of the posts in this thread that seem to insinuate that Ukraine is completely reliant on 'NATO' training to be effective. When in reality, they've been at war with Russia and fighting artillery duels / trench warfare since 2014. No military in the world has more experience in this type of warfare than Ukraine, although many of the vets will have been killed/captured in the early land grabs last year no doubt.

They do of course need training in new/unfamiliar equipment and will take any help they can get in general.
 
Simbo said:
Yeh, I said that in part to counter some of the posts in this thread that seem to insinuate that Ukraine is completely reliant on 'NATO' training to be effective. When in reality, they've been at war with Russia and fighting artillery duels / trench warfare since 2014. No military in the world has more experience in this type of warfare than Ukraine, although many of the vets will have been killed/captured in the early land grabs last year no doubt.

They do of course need training in new/unfamiliar equipment and will take any help they can get in general.
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I think it's testament to them that with ~8 years of training they've essentially remodelled the old Soviet doctrine into something more Western which put more emphasis on flexibility and therefore has been a capable counter to the number/artillery/tank superiority of the Russians. I still don't understand why Russia's air force has been so unused, relative to what we believe they have available, but you have to assume it's because Ukraine is now riddled with AA.

I wouldn't take away from the courage and stalwart efforts of Ukraine but I also think the NATO standard training has been invaluable for them (and also useful for NATO actually seeing it live against a so-called world power). The hope now is they can FastTrack themselves to becoming an army that uses NATO standard weapons across the board and they will already be able to start advising and helping NATO doctrine with the horrible experiences they are having to endure because, for all the awful parts of war, the benefit long term for them militarily will be huge.
 
Carolina Red said:
Russia invaded Iraq in 03?

Goddamn. Had me fooled.
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ExoduS said:
Same country that started the war in Iraq in 2003.
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:lol:

The First Chechen War and Russia's support for Serbia despite the evidence of genocide in Kosovo are major reasons as to why several Eastern European countries joined NATO from 1999 and onwards. In short: Russia inflicted that expansion upon themselves and have remained shit at building any form of geopolitical trust.

Believing in Jimmy Dore is just as bad as to believe anything from The Sun.
 
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Don't forget the absolute shameless and brazen lying before the invasion.

 
TwoSheds said:
About time this geezer actually threw his weight about a bit, good on him for growing a pair.
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Yes, while Germany started massively supporting Ukraine quite quickly the messaging was always off.

Good to see that this changed since the new minister of defense got into office, feels like he was able to convince Scholz to up his rhetorics
 
This thread is full of people who get taken for a ride time and time again. And will only learn after the fact, when someone leaks classified documents. They would then forget it quickly and hop on the next ride.

Raoul said:
One of the many voices of insanity. A self-aggrandizing grifter if ever there was one.
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His views on apartheid Israel are certainly more accurate than yours, Raoul. So I'm not sure I buy into your opinion of him.
 
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