He made several changes at half time. No idea what the problem is to be honest. It was a genuine question but no worries carry on.
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
He made several changes at half time. No idea what the problem is to be honest. It was a genuine question but no worries carry on.
You've nailed how I feel.
I said in an earlier post that the cynic in me was almost expecting the recent optimism that I'd developed as a result of a string of good performances to dissipate today because Forest away has been such a tough game for teams all season but I was pleasantly surprised despite the result.
Put it this way, if we can sign a better striker this summer and maintain that level of performance consistently next season, I think we'll be much closer to where we want to be. I was pretty nervy about Amorim but the past run of seven odd matches has given me confidence that he's starting to steer the ship in the right direction.
Amorim looked more despondent than usual in the post match presser.
Hard to see how we can turn this around in the summer window alone.
Hard to see how we can turn this around in the summer window alone.
Not a lot wrong with any of his decisions imo. He had to play either Hojlund or Zirkzee (especially with Chido not in the lineup) and the likes of Mount weren't yet fully match fit.
Amazing how many anti Ruben posts are made by 'newbie' posters. I've put several on ignore already tonight.
He made one major structural change which was very obviously the point of the comment.
Except here, all of them could've easily been goals. When you hit the bar and have shots cleared off the line, those can objectively be called legit chances. Had both gone in, we'd be signing an entirely different tune. Happiness is a matter of inches.
TBF that poster thinks to get a good sense of a team's game long XG you need to break it down to shot level...eg divide 1.6 by 23 (the number of shots). That's what you're dealing with.
Shocking isn't it. Hated, adored... and all that
It's not hard to see at all. You add some genuine quality in at least two of the forward positions and sign at least one athletic ball carrying midfielder and this exact structure he's playing will start to win a lot more games.
We're defensively pretty damn good at the moment. We don't give up many chances, but we seem to suffer from teams taking a very high number of the few chances we allow them.
It was clearly tactical, no injury.
Think we need someone who can sit deep and pass the ball forward quickly way more than that tbh.
I don't think I had problem with any of our performances ever since Tottenham loss in February (including that one). Didn't watch Everton game though.
Today was a solid away performance at a team that's having a great season. Didn't concede chances other than that goal where Garnacho, Dorgu and Mazraoui had to catch him or block his shot somehow imo but clearly didn't. If we won it 1-0 or it finished 1-1, we'd all be saying it was a decent performance. Negative result doesn't change that for me.
Today was a solid away performance at a team that's having a great season. Didn't concede chances other than that goal where Garnacho, Dorgu and Mazraoui had to catch him or block his shot somehow imo but clearly didn't. If we won it 1-0 or it finished 1-1, we'd all be saying it was a decent performance. Negative result doesn't change that for me.
I just really hope we sign some actual exciting players in the summer. I’m so tired of watching these players be so so mediocre, and coming away from Utd games grumpy at the bad decision making and lack of basic quality.
Our attackers get plenty of chances and plenty of the ball. Garnacho just is a very wasteful player and Amad is injured at the moment. But you can’t say he didn’t get plenty of chances before he got injured.
We don’t need world class wingbacks, we just need someone on the right who has an actual final delivery unlike Dalot, and we just have to give our 20 year old newbie on the left a little time. As I said, he was brilliant the last game and even tonight almost had a game winning assist.
I would rather we play Hojlund, pull Bruno to midfield and Zirkzee as the no 10 (He already said himself that he is false 9) than playing both Casemiro and Ugarte in midfield. Casemiro and Ugarte in double pivot means we’re less creative. I can understand if he does it vs team that will dominate possession but Forest’s set up was never to dominate possession.
He also put Mazraoui as LCB then switched him to RCB. He should know that Mazraoui would have been much more effective as RCB than as LCB because he done this multiple times in previous games started Mazraoui as LCB and realised he was less effective so switched him to RCB.
Switching Garnacho on the left and moved Zirkzee on the right means we don’t have player who has the pace to dribble past on the right, which means no balance because all the pace players move to the left.
Team who played 120 minutes on Saturday Vs a team who barely has given all for 120 minutes all season. Pathetic effort really.
Performances are improving but you can only do so much when none of your player can score to save their lives.
A striker and a CM who fits the Amorim system alongwith wingback in the summer, and full pre season, lets hope it turns around next season
This season is a write off apart from Europe
A striker and a CM who fits the Amorim system alongwith wingback in the summer, and full pre season, lets hope it turns around next season
This season is a write off apart from Europe
Garnacho better on the right hand side for me.
He cuts inside from the left way too often and inevitably balloons his shot over the bar.
Also, Dorgu, can he ever beat a man? He never even tries.
He cuts inside from the left way too often and inevitably balloons his shot over the bar.
Also, Dorgu, can he ever beat a man? He never even tries.
That can be Bruno. He's fantastic at it. Some of his passing tonight was incredible (and yes I know he did give it away a few times too)
Oh I got the point of your comment was about a change.
I was simply asking you which change he made as I didn't get to see most of the match. But you seem reluctant to elaborate so no worries.
The problem is that is fine when teams sit back, but he's not good under pressure (which is part of why he gives it away) so it becomes a real issue when we're pressed.
We also lose him in attacking positions, which I know it's become vogue in the last few weeks to proclaim how he's now best in a double pivot, but I still don't think that's true. I think he's personally better as a 10, it's just better for the team right now because basically only Casemiro can pass the ball forward otherwise and he's terrible under pressure too. Right now we need a 2007 Scholes more than anything else. And we have since Carrick retired, apart from the odd brief period when Matic was fit and not totally finished.
That's rather important context you didn't include!
It came across as arsey request because I assumed you'd watched the match.At half time he brought Hojlund on for Ugarte, which allowed Bruno to play alongside Casemiro in midfield rather than as a 10. It was something a lot of people in the thread were calling for in the first half. How effective it was is questionable, but on the whole it was probably a necessary gamble.
I thought we played well actually. Just we don’t have a striker that can hit a cow’s arse with a banjo. Otherwise that result would match the performance for me.
People have short memories, we were constantly conceding chances last season, some games id lose count it was that bad, defensively we are miles better now, the midfield is also functioning better by protecting the defence, not perfect but better.
Our biggest issue is not taking advantage when we get it in good areas, players making the wrong decision in forward areas.
It was never going to be a quick fix but I can see improvement for sure , I’m confident he’ll get it right given time.
Our biggest issue is not taking advantage when we get it in good areas, players making the wrong decision in forward areas.
It was never going to be a quick fix but I can see improvement for sure , I’m confident he’ll get it right given time.
This person gets it.
I also liked the way we were camped in their half in the final stages. Under Ten Hag we used to be losing in injury time and playing it back to Onana
That's rather important context you didn't include!
At half time he brought Hojlund on for Ugarte, which allowed Bruno to play alongside Casemiro in midfield rather than as a 10. It was something a lot of people in the thread were calling for in the first half. How effective it was is questionable, but on the whole it was probably a necessary gamble.
To be fair I should have said. No worries cheers.
I think this is the piece that's really important. We have a team structure built for solidity, so with only 3 players who are supposed to primarily attack, its important that they have the intensity and creativity needed to drive an attack.
I see us as a team that is supposed to be a direct attacking team that can move the ball when needed, whilst having a solid structure. In a way, weirdly similar in thinking to what Liverpool currently are. With the added advantage of have narrow attacking players, who don't have to waste time cutting in, but can drive at the defence when they receive the ball in open central spaces. The atheticism across the Liverpool back 7 and the intense directness of Liverpool's attack are the type of player profiles we should be looking to get.
Defensively, I think Yoro is the blueprint. Able to recover, whilst also able to move the ball forward with dribbling when space is provided, taking advantage of the space the opposition gives the back 3.
I actually liked the performance, It showed that the system works in England and that the players are adapting to it. It also showed that some of our players, particularly in the front 3, don't have the quality to drive us forward. The truth is that despite how passive he is, alot of our attack success over the last 5 years has been the result of runs made by Rashford and supported by Bruno. We had a brief period where Greenwood joined the party and we were rolling. Now we are in a position with an attack( with Amad out and Mount just coming back) that is as bad as any 2016 or 2020
We did have a huge amount of injuries but that approach by ten Hag... Think Carragher described United as a basriketball team under EtH. It was ridiculous really. Only bottom teams conceded more shots than we did and as you say amount of chances in general conceded... Felt incredible to me. It improved to extent this season but ultimately not enough and sack came in October.
Agree with rest of your post as well. I'm not as confident about Amorim getting it right as more than a decade of failure made me more reserved than optimistic when it comes to United, but do believe performances have been better lately.
Great answer
Ignore the bollocks posted on here tonight, we played well and everybody, bar some of our own fans that just enjoy shitting on their own team even when it’s not deserved, could see it. Tonight’s performance actually gave me more belief that we could win the EL as we played football at a higher level tonight, and I think we’d control games against most of the teams left in the competition. Some nice one touch football, some great link up play to beat the press and some solid individual performances in the build up. We forced turnovers well, which we’ve been getting better at recently and we had a better shape to us which also led to some promising situations.
Once again we were let down by some individual performances though and we’re not good enough to carry players, especially whether Bruno was one player having an off day. It was good to see Mount back in contention and other players returning, hopefully we can create competition for places and even rest players as needed, which might take us up another level also.
That shows he has great coaching ability because he has the right idea and system and coaching skill to play us the right way. Decision making is different skill of set than coaching. For example, what about the decision to play Ugarte and Casemiro in double pivot against a team that doesn’t dominate possession. That’s not coaching. Is that the right decision? If not, can people criticise that decision?
Forest are a completely different side to Lyon and Bilbao. Don’t think tonight has any bearing or is pointed towards anything that’ll happen in Europa.
I can tell you now we won’t be controlling games against Lyon and Bilbao (if we get through) as they are a lot more possession based.
People getting carried away tonight a bit ….over a defeat. To a team who treat the ball like a hot potatoe and have a defensive line deeper than Gervinhos hairline and who played 120 mins Saturday evening.
This is absolutely correct. Elanga is thriving now in a lower pressure environment tailored to his skillset, but that doesn't necessarily mean we were wrong to sell him.
Excellent answer. Nobody would of ever expecting Elanga to score that type of goal tonight but it happened against his old club. Did he do that stuff at United? No he didn't.
He's also hardly putting up numbers that we should be very envious about. 6 goals and doing decently in assists with 9. If it was double that I'd be starting to feel a bit more disappointed with him leaving but £15m wasn't a bad price for us at the time and it boosted our transfer coffers. Yes we're trash at the moment but keeping Elanga wasn't the answer. Reporters love to ask those kind of questions though because keeping their narrative comes before anything else.
Depends on how you look at it
I’d probably prefer being 3rd or whatever with some really good players compared to where we are now.
But yes our current position is much easier to build a solid foundation from. And quite frankly very easy to improve upon with new signings
The absolutely massive difference is that LVG actually had some decent attacking players in his Utd squads.
Rooney, Van Persie, Welbeck, Chicarito, Falcao, Di Maria, Martial, Depay.
If we’d have had just one or two players like that today we probably would have scored a goal or two.
Huh? Nuno made both a tactical sub AND an injury sub. Did you watch the game?