He doesn't sound like a man in over his head.
He sounds like a man who really can't believe a club as historically big as United have assembled such a massive shower of shit for a team
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He sounds like a man who really can't believe a club as historically big as United have assembled such a massive shower of shit for a team
Yes cos we are in charge of the club we'll just boot INEOS out. The shrewdness is the fact they will spend next to nothing in the summer too under the guise of "PSR means we need to sell to buy" and make a shit tonne without spending.
We struggled for goals under EtH, it was bizarre that we only went for Zirkzee in the summer window and thought we would get more goals magically. Everyone knew Zirkzee wasn't even a goal scorer.
The attack has gotten worse and that isn't on Amorim. Sure maybe he COULD temporary do a patch and get us attack a little better, and get us to a whopping position of 8-10th. If you think this attack will get us to any other better position than that, then good luck.
Or are we just viewing it that way because we make every game look incredibly difficultThink there are a lot of teams, surprising teams who have improved beyond belief this season. There are now very few teams who are pushovers. Dare I say except us.
It's worse than it was under ETH
Do that and we will have no squad, Ruben will have to put his boots on.
This!
When you look back to what Mourinho said in 2019, it puts things into context:
"If I tell you, for example, that I consider one of the best jobs of my career was to finish second with Man United in the Premier League, you will say, 'this guy is crazy,'" Mourinho said. "'He won 25 titles and he is saying that a second position was one of his best achievements?'"
"I keep saying this because people don't know what is going on behind the scenes.
Are we actually though? It always seems a bit inconclusive.
If we are, then Amorim's appointment seems insane considering half the players don't have a role in his system.
Only if we don't back him accordingly which unfortunately seems to be the case
Read my post
Amorim could do what a EtH did and get us to 8-10th position, he could try change formation and style, seriously who freaking cares? woop di do, everyone celebrates another 8th position over currently 13th where we at?
I'd rather Amorim stick to his principle, we suffer and these players leave. I'm glad a new manager didn't do a patch job and everyone think these players are good enough to stay
I have serious question to all the people who seriously want to get rid of Amorim and are already in full force with the abusive and sarcastic posts.
What do you want to happen?
Get ETH back? Ole? Big Sam?
You seriously think RVN would have done a better job, because he managed to beat a pathetic Leicester side?
We have players who have proven themselves again and again to be mentally weak, physically average, technically average and increibly inconsistent.
How are you blaming the manager??
What do you want to happen?
Get ETH back? Ole? Big Sam?
You seriously think RVN would have done a better job, because he managed to beat a pathetic Leicester side?
We have players who have proven themselves again and again to be mentally weak, physically average, technically average and increibly inconsistent.
How are you blaming the manager??
I think you're combining two different points here. In my opinion, it's absolutely fair to blame Amorim for this mess, at least parts of it, an pointing out that he's doing poorly.
Wanting rid or claiming Ruud should have stayed is something different, that's just mental.
Yes, the squad is awful but he hasn’t gotten us playing particularly well either. We are toothless in attack and vulnerable in defense. Most of the blame lies in the players and the idiots who assembled the squad, but a fair portion also lies with Amorim. The buck always stops with the manager.
Plenty of other managers have come into dysfunctional teams and gotten them playing better quickly (see Chelsea). This guy didn’t even get a new manager bounce. He only knows 1 formation and is inflexible. Maybe he needs time, maybe he is in over his head. Who knows… this club is in shambles.
Plenty of other managers have come into dysfunctional teams and gotten them playing better quickly (see Chelsea). This guy didn’t even get a new manager bounce. He only knows 1 formation and is inflexible. Maybe he needs time, maybe he is in over his head. Who knows… this club is in shambles.
Apart from Man Utd, West Ham, Leicester, Ipswich, Southampton and Spurs….Think there are a lot of teams, surprising teams who have improved beyond belief this season. There are now very few teams who are pushovers. Dare I say except us.
The amount of times these sides have lost by 2+ goals this season must be about 20. We alone have lost five home games by clear goal margins.
Mostly reactionary, impatient types.
Today our incompetent keeper cost us two goals and a ref waved away a red card challenge.
It sucks but this season does anyway.
Rubin has ripped off the ETH bandage and the wound is bloody and festering.
It's not the worst squad in our PL history. The era of Carroll, Bellion, Alan Smith, Djemba-Djemba etc. was as bad. I think it's the relative strength of the midtable PL teams that are making us look worse. We're in an era where midtable teams are regularly spending £30m on players and are hiring best in class coaches. The margin for error is a lot lower - if you're not at the races you will get pummelled. You had a safety net back in the day when midtable teams had far less wealth and were managed by dinosaurs.
This thing always bugged me. Yes i think he is now an old washed bitter man, but has plenty of experience and coached lots of the top talents in the world.
This phrase has to be related to the club, the organization, the decision making, and the professionalism of the management crew.
Dont think the time now is to charge on the new manager for points or results. Even if the moment looks so dire. 10 years of bad decisions got us with the worst line up if seen.
Is it really the way to keep changing the manager and throwing silly money to 3rd rated players?
I still trust him and would give him next season to prove his worth. But he simply needs backing.
I'm backing his system. Not changing it for limited attackers to stack up stats in a dead end system. Let them be exposed so we stop beating around the bush who's really good enough to be here. Some of our scoring problems in attack are down to some of the 'better' performers. Scorers that can't pass, passers that can't score. Like Zirkzee and Bruno being so limited in open play. A lot of promising attacks don't even materialise a shot because they don't have enough in their locker to even get a shot off. Just passing into the abyss.
Are you guys not tired of firing coaches? How many coaches do we have to go through before you guys realise they aren't the problem?
IF he changes his philosophy (system) and starts making compromises then i will turn against him.
Till then i trust him 100% and will support him all the way. I don't want him to turn into Solskjaer and Hag and play like midtable club.
3421 is way to go. But it takes time.
Till then i trust him 100% and will support him all the way. I don't want him to turn into Solskjaer and Hag and play like midtable club.
3421 is way to go. But it takes time.
Exactly it will just mean ETH MkII. The players win and we have the same players plodding away. This way we need to make changes to the squad. He might bring players in who fit his system but are actually flexible as well. Some of this squad cannot perform consistantly in any system.
Antony £85m
Sancho £80m
Casemiro £60m
Mount £55m
Hojlund £72m
Zirkzee £30m
£400m on absolutely useless shite that contributes absolutely nothing to the team.
Rashford on £300k a week who can't even muster the effort to train.
Academy products like Garnacho and Mainoo who don't have the strength or speed to play in the PL being forced into the first team due to lack of alternatives.
Anyone thinking the manager is the problem is deluded. The squad building has been horrific for a decade and is coming home to roost. Let Amorim burn it down and start from scratch - no one should be unsellable - even Bruno is on the wrong side of 30.
Sancho £80m
Casemiro £60m
Mount £55m
Hojlund £72m
Zirkzee £30m
£400m on absolutely useless shite that contributes absolutely nothing to the team.
Rashford on £300k a week who can't even muster the effort to train.
Academy products like Garnacho and Mainoo who don't have the strength or speed to play in the PL being forced into the first team due to lack of alternatives.
Anyone thinking the manager is the problem is deluded. The squad building has been horrific for a decade and is coming home to roost. Let Amorim burn it down and start from scratch - no one should be unsellable - even Bruno is on the wrong side of 30.
Exactly! I can't understand this either!
Why so many fans always want to replace 12 players, but at the same time they assume that we already have a world class manager?
Perhaps many players are average AND the manager is performing below average, there is no guarantee that this manager is one of the best in the world.
Just get this system into the players this season and win the el on the way.
We should have appreciated those days. The real sunshine times for us.
I don't think any fan is claiming this manager is one of the best in the world. He's an up and coming manager that still has a lot to prove. However, the guys too early on in his new club to even think 'he has money in the bank', we're supporting him because quite frankly:
our attack = 8-12th pl position level
our midfield= 8-12th pl position level
our defence= 6-8th pl position level
our gk = big joker
What you guys want Amorim to do? change what he believes so he can get 1-2 positions better? He isn't God, no manager is turning the above anywhere close to 1-6th position
Players need to go, he needs his players, then we decide.
I think people are being a bit unrealistic about this whole we should suffer now so the players can understand the system. There are countless examples of coaches needing only the pre-season to get a team to understand their style and there are countless examples of managers going in to a team during the season, changing the tactics and it working out. Now that's not to downplay the challenge Amorim has but to add some realism. He could easily play more suitable tactics for the players if he wanted and then do the switch to 3 4 3 in the summer. It likely wouldn't make much difference to the players understanding of the tactics. If anything, by choosing to do so mid season he's likely doing more harm to the player's beliefs in the tactics than if he had made the switch in the summer. Also, if these player's aren't tactically good enough to play a 4 2 3 1 or a 4 3 3 then they definitely won't be any better playing a 3 4 3 that is more tactically demanding. So we are shooting ourselves in the foot for no reason.
As poor as a lot of these players are, when compared to players that should play for United or challenge for the league, they are also not a squad that should be 13th and getting outplayed by Southampton. I genuinely don't know what to think of Amorim apart from that I need a larger sample size of how he performs as coach.
He's got like a 2 year contract, thrown in at the deep end at a club in crisis and nobody throwing him a line. you expect him to keep defending players?
If anything, last season is the proof that formation has nothing to do with our performances.
Maybe the FA cup win clouds your minds, but 95% of our performances since the League cup final have been dreadful, pathetic, embarrassing and sometimes average.
And we didn't play 3 at the back then.
Onana is overhyped donkey.
Mainoo, Garnacho are wildly inconsistent, providing 3 bad performances for every good one.
Bruno is erratic and weird. When it's his day it's great, when not - he looks like Darron Gibson.
Harry might be mentally resilient, but moments like his dreadful header today actually decide games.
Zirkzee seems to be good at moving the ball and holding on to it. His shots however get blocked all the time.
Hojlund is headless chicken.
Actually, I can go on, but I won't.
How many of our players walk into ANY top 6 team? Two? Three?
How many players from top 6 INSTANTLY get into our first 11?
Ask yourselves these questions and maybe you'll stop trying to discard Amorim.
Maybe the FA cup win clouds your minds, but 95% of our performances since the League cup final have been dreadful, pathetic, embarrassing and sometimes average.
And we didn't play 3 at the back then.
Onana is overhyped donkey.
Mainoo, Garnacho are wildly inconsistent, providing 3 bad performances for every good one.
Bruno is erratic and weird. When it's his day it's great, when not - he looks like Darron Gibson.
Harry might be mentally resilient, but moments like his dreadful header today actually decide games.
Zirkzee seems to be good at moving the ball and holding on to it. His shots however get blocked all the time.
Hojlund is headless chicken.
Actually, I can go on, but I won't.
How many of our players walk into ANY top 6 team? Two? Three?
How many players from top 6 INSTANTLY get into our first 11?
Ask yourselves these questions and maybe you'll stop trying to discard Amorim.
The other coaches absolutely were a huge part of the problem. Not the only problem, of course, but a problem nonetheless.
I don't think we're all that vulnerable at the back you can track a number of goals down to basic errors from the players, Brighton for instance had 6 shots today, we aren't shipping big numbers of chances just keep making the same mistakes over and over 2 goals today very similar to 2 goals against Forest, GK stuck to his line not commanding and then just basic fumbles leading to goals
I'd like to know where you rate our attack, midfield, defence and goalkeeper separately in terms of pl position level with the right style that suits them? I fear a lot think because they individually international players and wearing a united badge they are automatically better then a lot of pl teams
Today, I'd rather have Brightons team over us anyday, and game by game I tend to want the opposition team over ours.
Exactly this. The squad is just horrific, it's not formation, they're just plain average. We've invested a ton of money into transitioning into being a bottom 10 team. It's just a dreadful squad with a few decent players but the majority are shite.
Ah yes that too. I’ve never seen a more hot and cold keeper than Onana and that simply isn’t a position where you can afford to be hot and cold.
Because we already like his philosophy. Even though we're performing worse we see how attacks fail in the final third, unlike previous managers is not from a lack of a system. A lot of dangerous attacks are dying mid-opportunity because players don't have any type of scoring creativity. The stats will say no shots on target but we know better. We like the defensive intensity. He has the players hunting the ball like a pack of wolves but our players can't tackle, can't track, can't read runs and are too damn passive. It's the closest we've seen to what Klopp implemented at Liverpool. It might very well fail but till that happens there's plenty to like
With this squad a top 6th position should be realistic.
This really sums it up. Look at the lack of top quality in forward areas. That’s where United’s problem really lies.
Zero.
Yup, too inconsistent for this level. No point having a keeper that can pull off some great saves one week but then make some horrific mistakes the next. They have to be consistent.