Not disagreeing with you. As a fanbase, you want to be hopeful and see signs of improvement. We did with Ole and we also did with ETH, like you said.Same was said about Ten Hag. I think Amorim is a good coach however, its still very early.
Under Amorin, there's a character, spirit and fight in the team that I haven't seen for a long long time.
He's not afraid to make decisions that are best for the team, including using substitutions bravely and tactically and the dropping those providing an unwelcome distraction.
There is one major difference, an obvious one.Same was said about Ten Hag. I think Amorim is a good coach however, its still very early.
Agree with the bolded, not hating on the game's hero Altay, but his ability on the ball meant we had to go long and even then, Altay's kicking was shit all game, Onana is quite good and passing quickly from his first touch to kicking long and even finding the spare man at times, that's why we could not establish a foothold on the game, Arsenal knew this and pressed extremely aggressively.I actually think we were quite poor at times yesterday, we defended well and kept arsenal relatively quiet, but we really struggled particuly first half to get out and get hold of the ball or really hurt arsenal.
Started the second half better, got the goal and than the red card set the game up to be attack Vs defence really.
Credit though for he has got us in a properly organised defensive structure, and you do need that going away to arsenal and Liverpool and we have come away with positive results from both.
The next three games now will be interesting, there all.games you would expect us to get something out of he has some time with them on the training pitch he is begining to get a settled side, can the team deliver for him?
There is one major difference, an obvious one.
Ten Hag abandoned his style after Brighton & Brentford, Amorim didn't, even after some horrible losses at home, he still insisted on his style, despite the fact that the squad lacks proper strikers and wing backs.
but I'll give you that Ten Hag was praised once he solidified the team and made them hard to beat.
Not disagreeing with you. As a fanbase, you want to be hopeful and see signs of improvement. We did with Ole and we also did with ETH, like you said.
The difference between our previous two managers and Amorim for me is that you can see what he wants to do. You can see his signature in the way we play, something I felt was always lacking under ETH. Whether that will be enough remains to be seen, but reason enough for me to be optimistic
Yeah I was cursing altay up until his penalty save and heroics afterwards. Our distribution plan was quite simple hit it long towards our left attacking channel and try and win it from there. But altay kept sailing them out of play. Then his weak punch which he should caught that led to the equaliser.Agree with the bolded, not hating on the game's hero Altay, but his ability on the ball meant we had to go long and even then, Altay's kicking was shit all game, Onana is quite good and passing quickly from his first touch to kicking long and even finding the spare man at times, that's why we could not establish a foothold on the game, Arsenal knew this and pressed extremely aggressively.
Against Arsenal in the league, away to City & Liverpool, we were able to keep the ball and sustain pressure, and forced the oppo teams stand off and not press our backline.
a back-3 formation, even with attacking wingbacks, is by nature and design a secure and a defensive style, I think what Amorim wants to achieve is to make us secure defensively and with the ability to dominate a game and sustain attacks, just like he did with Sporting, also be flexible enough based on the opponent he is facing.Sticking to the formation I'll give you both, although I could make an argument that Amorim has gone a bit more defensive with the wingbacks (maybe forced to do so, however, you could say Ten Hag was forced to go defensive as well in his first season). It's the aspects of we are finally showing fight, finally organised, finally turned the corner, finally showing tactical acumen. This team has had many false dawns under many managers. So far apart from playing 5 at the back (which is what we have been playing in a lot of games instead of 3 at the back), there is nothing so far for me to say things have really changed. With this team as always under every manager is the lack of consistency in performances. If Amorim can get that going then I'll personally start sipping the kool aid. At the moment I'll enjoy the ride and see how it plays out.
If you exclude those 3 horror games over Christmas then we've actually been consistently good under Amorim.
I wonder what happened against Bournemouth, Newcastle and Wolves because those matches look completely at odds with what we've seen in every other game.
I didn't agree with all the back line changes but it was probably important for him to do that so the players felt like they had been given a fair chance at proving themselves under a new manager. He seems to be more settled now everyone got a chance.Possibly didnt know his best team and experimented too much.
Amorim in game management is already miles better than ten HagSame was said about Ten Hag. I think Amorim is a good coach however, its still very early.
If you exclude those 3 horror games over Christmas then we've actually been consistently good under Amorim.
I wonder what happened against Bournemouth, Newcastle and Wolves because those matches look completely at odds with what we've seen in every other game.
Bournemouth game wasn't even that bad, I mean the result was horrific but before their second goal (which was quickly followed by a third) we had many opportunities to go level and even take a lead, missing multiple chances. Play the same first half 10 times over and we are probably down in no more than 1 or 2 of these scenarios.If you exclude those 3 horror games over Christmas then we've actually been consistently good under Amorim.
I wonder what happened against Bournemouth, Newcastle and Wolves because those matches look completely at odds with what we've seen in every other game.
If you exclude those 3 horror games over Christmas then we've actually been consistently good under Amorim.
I wonder what happened against Bournemouth, Newcastle and Wolves because those matches look completely at odds with what we've seen in every other game.
Ten Hag’s game management and man management was poor from the beginning and throughout. The only thing you can currently criticise Amorim for at this point is his rotation policy.Same was said about Ten Hag. I think Amorim is a good coach however, its still very early.
It’s great because it’s a manager with a plan, reacting to what’s happening on the pitch and trying to win the game. Under Ten Hag it was just more of the same and subs that didn’t make sense. The most annoying thing was that it was clear it wasn’t working and he had no idea how to change it, Amorim seems to make game changing subs when needed.Maybe because of the stubbornness and shit in game management of ETH, but just seeing Amorin making changes before the 80th minute is great. Everybody for the most part is being rotated and throwing that extra energy on ten minutes earlier and being proactive makes a hell of a difference.
1999 FA Cup Semi Final replay against Arsenal? After a penalty save as well.When was the last time we won a game with 10 men, against a top side to boot
Wolves was the idiotic red card at 0-0 and Newcastle was a case of us missing our 2 best players as a consequence of the Wolves game.If you exclude those 3 horror games over Christmas then we've actually been consistently good under Amorim.
I wonder what happened against Bournemouth, Newcastle and Wolves because those matches look completely at odds with what we've seen in every other game.
He definitely used his backup keepers more than ETH and Amorin (up to recently). Romero was used in the EL until the final post SAF.Can you name a season where Fergie consistently played a Cup Keeper? Or just even regularly rotated a clear number 1 with a backup?
Maybe he wants to get himself more established in the PL and United in a better position before calling out referees. Doing it can backfire if you are not careful. It might not be his style.Hoping this isn't another false dawn, but there's possible green shoots emerging
I'm hoping he's drilling the right mentality into them as Bruno said again about its not acceptable to only put in this level of effort against the arsenal's and Liverpools of this world, it should be every single game. I expect to see it against Southampton and Will be annoyed if I don't.
I want to see more composure after we've scored, we still seem to love to shoot ourselves in the foot where we are at sixes and sevens and players make stupid decisions. That 10 minutes after Brunos goal and the opening 15-20 minutes aside I thought we were very good, and played as a team. Didn't rely on individual brilliance, everyone played their part
I think we would have lost that game under ETH when we went down to 10
I'd like to see RA call out the referees where needed, today was shocking, but I don't think he said anything did he? Klopp, while he drove me mad, would have absolutely gone apocalyptic, and annoyingly, it gets them decisions. SAF would also have gone ballistic.
Fecking hell, no wonder it felt like a lifetime ago1999 FA Cup Semi Final replay against Arsenal? After a penalty save as well.
Ten Hag’s game management and man management was poor from the beginning and throughout. The only thing you can currently criticise Amorim for at this point is his rotation policy.
Amorim in game management is already miles better than ten Hag
People wanted to praise Ten Hag to think we were onto something, to the point where things were being praised that weren’t even a reality. The difference with Amorim is so stark already. He might end up not being the one, nothing is certain, but the signs are a lot more promising under him.
He believes in himself a lot more than Ten Hag ever did. Ten Hag, be it a language barrier, spoke absolute waffle, which most gave up on paying attention to alarmingly quick.
Ten Hag’s game management and man management was poor from the beginning and throughout. The only thing you can currently criticise Amorim for at this point is his rotation policy.
really isnt.. he cant create nor does he ever move.. this fan base just love mediocrityMcT as one of the 10s is an intriguing thought, I must admit
People wanted to praise Ten Hag to think we were onto something, to the point where things were being praised that weren’t even a reality. The difference with Amorim is so stark already. He might end up not being the one, nothing is certain, but the signs are a lot more promising under him.
He believes in himself a lot more than Ten Hag ever did. Ten Hag, be it a language barrier, spoke absolute waffle, which most gave up on paying attention to alarmingly quick.
This has been said many times, we are seeing it in action and yet for some reason some posters completely ignore it.2 full weeks for training before the last 2 matches, and you see the difference.
As he did in Sporting in 2021 the team is being organised from the defense. Once that is done, you will see the attacking game settling in
From what I heard, even at Sporting He never made a comment about refrees.Maybe he wants to get himself more established in the PL and United in a better position before calling out referees. Doing it can backfire if you are not careful. It might not be his style.
Maybe that is sensible. It is down to your own players to win games, not the referees.From what I heard, even at Sporting He never made a comment about refrees.
From what I heard, even at Sporting He never made a comment about refrees.
Maybe that is sensible. It is down to your own players to win games, not the referees.
ETH did turn it around on the pitch, but he did it by largely just going back to the style of play we had under Ole. It still wasn't anything that would lead us to true success. The hope was that it was just a place-holder and ETH would then develop a style that could bring long term success as he signed more players and had more time on the training ground. Well he did change it, but unfortunately his changes were basically the exact opposite of what almost all the successful teams of the last 15 years have been doing, and left us further away from where we needed to be than when he started.Don't agree with this, ETH got his praise for turning it around after a bad start in the first season and rightly so. We were playing some good stuff but we tailed off towards the end. It would be stupid to rewrite history and say he shouldn't be praised for that.
I do agree in terms of the second point where Amorim is a much better communicator.
Best form of attack is a solid defence. We have slowly been building that with the new system. I like the start we have seen.
This is the encouraging thing for me - the organised press. It was absolutely killing the team under ETH, you could see the team just didn’t know when to press/whose job was what. That has been a lot better especially the last 2 games. It’s a pity the red card changed the game as it did as I thought we looked very comfortable with 11, and Arsenal only looked threatening from set pieces.2 full weeks for training before the last 2 matches, and you see the difference.
As he did in Sporting in 2021 the team is being organised from the defense. Once that is done, you will see the attacking game settling in
