Berrada practically put his job on the line hiring Amorim, so I can't see Amorim being sacked anytime soon - it could make Berrada's position untenable.
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
No its not why we don’t score as many as last season because we were not scoring under ETH this season.
We don’t need to spend 500m we just need to improve on a relegation level attacking lineup.
None of the players we have available Bruno aside have ever shown top level goalscoring pedigree
The second Antony and Rashford were shipped out two attackers should have been brought in. The fact that this didn’t happen is unbelievable incompetence on the part of team Ratcliffe.
I gave major issues with Amorims system and setup, but that’s nothing compared to the contempt I have for this pathetic Ineos/Glazer union.
Then I expect him to being sacked within the next six months too.
You know I completely forgot United finished 3rd under Ten Hag. Just had a look at that season on wikipedia.. United had some great results and runs.
I suffer from chronic pain that analgesics dont touch, so if anyone who thinks Ten hag was worse than Amorim can please hand me whatever they are taking it just might make the difference!
I suffer from chronic pain that analgesics dont touch, so if anyone who thinks Ten hag was worse than Amorim can please hand me whatever they are taking it just might make the difference!
Oh yeah I can't stand INEOS leeches union, also agree it was ridiculous not signing at least one attacker in January
I don’t disagree there but it obviously means Amorim won’t be sacked in the summer. If we already thought the squad was shit and we made it worse
Difference being Ten Hag was given £600m and wasted all of it, also stopped having any time for him after that Anfield annihilation which was sackable.
For one, Ten Hag insisted on having a large degree of control over transfers and nearly bankrupted us buying shit players from the Dutch league.
Amorim hasn't been great on the pitch, but the damage ETH did to the club will take ages to fix.
Exactly which means for ETH its including his first season which was a different defence to his second. Its stupid analysisIt's not, it's comparing this season to every manager post SAF.
Yeah his spending is why we are so skint right now
You've lost me. But it still doesn't change the fact that Amorims is the worst despite playing a back 5, does it?
It does given ETH defence last season was clearly the worst
He had loads of injuries to his defence last year though, and this year we added De light and Yoro and play 5 at the back and are leaking goals.
I suppose we don’t this season
Wile E. Amorim, Supergenius, might just try it. As far as I'm concerned, he could play Onana as striker -- as long as we win. No ifs ands or buts. The time for tinkering, and fecking around with formation purity, is over. Win the Europa League or he's gone, and not a moment too soon.
And we are leaking less goals than we did both last season and this season when ETH was here
Only two teams in the league have underperformed their expected goals to a greater extent than United, also.
Tell me which names you disagree with then? And it’s not a first 11 is it, it’s 11 players. I believe the ones I’ve listed are playing better now and I’ve tried to be as honest as possible, there’s no agenda. Saying he’s improved nobody is a worse take, which is the point I was responding to. There’s players clearly playing better. We were around 14th in the league and on our way out of the EL when he took over, so the bar wasn’t high.
I was going by that Sky link, which says otherwise. If it's wrong, then ok.
What utter kneejerk garbage, he deserves a summer window irrespective of what happens in Europa League
I already told you its wrong and why and even provided you the stats
Not only skint, but what have we got to show for £600m? You could have given some kid who plays FM the £600m and I bet we’d be in a better position. He fecking destroyed us, he’s the most damaging coach we’ve had by far.
Why would you say "deserves"? That means he's earned it. What has he done to earn it? Historic number of losses in the league and at OT? If he wins the EL, he has earned a stay of execution. If he doesn't win, he's earned the square root of feck all.
And watching 6 months of the worst football I've ever seen us play is not "knee-jerk". If anything, we've been astoundingly patient.
He has TWO of his own players, feck sake talk about showing a complete lack of understanding
He allowed the club to handicap him in Jan
The money he wasted on Onana, Mount, Hojlund and Antony really makes my blood boil and cost us being able to sign experienced striker too
Precisely. Any top level coach should be able to actually... coach.
The people who keep banging the drum about Amorim not having the players to play his system are starting to sound a bit delusional. It helps to be given some new players but there have been no tangible signs of progress in the 6 months he has been at United. His body of work here so far has been appalling and he's been put to shame by fairly ordinary managers like Pereira and Moyes at worse clubs than ours.
The club is to blame for the signings
You need to calm down. 1 of those players is shite. That should not fill anyone with confidence.
I believe in 6 of our last 7 league games, we've conceded one goal or less.
Other than the disaster at Newcastle, recently the overall defending doesn't feel that bad watching it but I could be wrong.
We lived through last season where teams would have 20+ shots every single game against us. It doesn't feel like teams are routinely having bag loads of chances against us to be honest. I don't get to the end of games and think "jesus I don't know how we didn't get battered by 4 today".
Now, maybe I've just blocked out the games earlier in the season where it was a lot worse, it all feels a bit of a blur to be honest.
We of course have the odd howler of a game like conceding 4 to Lyon.
I think with a new CM who provides some physicality, some attackers who can actually keep the ball to help us sustain attacks and provide a real threat to the opposition, the defensive record can improve alongside it.
I think the reason the attack gets more focus us
1. It's a bigger problem than defence even if defence is a problem
2. Scoring goals is a lot more dependent on individual quality than keeping goals out. There have been a lot of teams who are decently defensively without amazing personnel, just through team structure, understanding. Whereas if you have attacking players who can't score or assist or make a correct decision or pass a ball, it's very very difficult to score goals. It makes more sense to splash the cash on attack this summer and revisit the defence next year.
Should also say Ten Hag had years, 3 pre-seasons and £600m to get us defending properly. Amorim came in mid-season and has had months.
Don't worry he will completely ignore that fact
I would say lets see what happens next season, the club already labelled the squad not fit for purpose before he was hired.
I think everyone would have liked us to have done better but at the end of the day at least from an attacking point of view it was always going to be difficult with the Jan window and Amad then getting injured
Because he has been given a 2.5 year contract and the task to rebuild the team and get them playing a new modern system. He deserves the opportunity to have a fecking window to help build that team. You and most people in here are just impatient. It’s not his fault ETH left him with literally the worst attack in living United memory. So bad we pine for forwards from the likes of Palace, Bournemouth and Brentford
They better make it up to Ruben in a big way after pleading poverty in January so he couldn't get attacker
I think it may be you that is misinterpreting the figures. United have conceded fewer goals this season because:
1) There are still four games left to played.
2) ETH was conceding fewer goals per game than Amorim is.
If you conceded the goals per game that Amorim has across the full season it would total 59 goals.
Can't argue with you here. You have a point.
I was basically going off the skysport article which says we have worst defence post Fergie this season. But we do have good defenders so a manager can fix that. We don't have good strikers. Still don't think Amorim is the one to do this mind you.
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There is nothing you can do about the impatient ones. They will be here after every game and find it a must to provide their judgements. End of the day, someone has to be blamed and Amorim is receiving the brunt of it.
I understand that there are those who are asking for formation and tactic changes but I also understand that that won’t make players like Hojlund drastically start scoring more goals or Nacho to stop shooting into the stands as per usual. Oh and let’s not forget, Onana to stop getting brain farts every other game.
I’m more happy with the intangibles this season like a change in mentality and temperament. Players are now being made to play a formation which makes them control possession more often. This change was made mid season after having played an entirely different way for years so it’ll obviously take time for players to get better at it. And I’m sure the more they practice and play it, the better they’ll get so next season should definitely be better. Specially with an addition of a few players who are good at this new style of play who can also make our existing players better around them.
Therefore I’m reserving my judgements until midway into the first half of the season next year.