Sad watching this, he just hasn't got it has he? No believe in him anyone, we look much worse than when he took over.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach | Thread locked during matches
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
I promise you that he's not going anywhere. Ten Hag had been here for two full seasons before we mistakingly allowed him a crack at a third. Bit of a difference there.
Well this is the same man who kept ETH in his job when he should have sacked him. Who chased Ashworth for months only to sack him. Why should we take anything SJR says seriously, when he's just as incompetent?
I’ve spoken at length on here about this and it’s looking like the second HUGE mistake already by Ineos, Ratcliffe publicly proclaimed Ashworth as “best in class” and that Ashworth would “be in charge of the whole footballing department” yet let a fecking cycling coach in Brailsford make the decision on ETH then let a commercial and sponsorship specialist in Berrada choose our next coach instead of Ashworth making those choices.
This is why if Ratcliffe has any footballing sense he’ll either put Wilcox in charge of the whole footballing department or bring in another Sporting Director and allow them the long term decision making for all on pitch decisions such as a club tactical set and recruitment so every coach that comes in has to coach and play the way the club have set up so there’s always continuity tactically and we don’t end up with a clusterfeck squad due to constant changes of tactical set up from each coach, Ashworth knew it was a long term project but Ineos and Berrada wanted to flex and run before we could walk.
Once Garnacho went wide and Bruno dropped deeper so the game was in front of him we actually started putting the ball in the box rather than constantly passing the ball backwards or sideways until we lose possession, the players started playing their own preferred way and Bournemouth were under pressure so eventually we scored which was in spite of Amorim instead of because.
true, but then we also did lose Rashford, Antony, didn't get a replacement. Bought Dorgu. Lost Amad to injury. He got dealt a rubbish attack
He wasn't pulling trees at the start either but the above is called circumstances. How will we know what Amorims full potential is without giving him the tools of a good attack?
Yes. How can you possibly think he won't be here?
We weren't quite as bad as some have suggested. The problem was changing managers mid season and hiring a replacement who can only play his preferred style and formation, with specific players that we didn't have at the time. Therefore, if we wanted less frustrating league results, we could've just stayed with Ruud for the rest of this year. But just like SJR and Berada bungled replacing ETH immediately after the FA Cup, the other half of that coin was being forced to inevitably sack him two months into the season, and subsequently insisting his replacement leave his club and join United mid season. That approach was always going to risk yielding calamitous league results, and as we're seeing, it has.
When the sending off happened we had like 0.55 xG and they had 0.5. It was basically level. We only took any kind of control over the game after the sending off.
Whose fault was that?
Just stating INEOS are keeping him, clearly. Whether they incompotent or not is yet to be seen, their recruitment so far with Dorgu is looking dodgy
It’s not a cult to have faith in what he is doing. I think there is a base here. Players are working harder, Rashford has been dealt with, no more big game thrashings, we are in e European semi final, you can see the system has a solid structure, we are creating more chances recently etc…
There is every reason to believe that better attackers, a better GK and a more athletic midfielder could make us a very good team.
And this is what worries me.
His wingback is as average as he looked on youtube, he’s not suddenly turning into fecking Roberto Carlos.
So I’d imagine we’re gonna be equally as shite there next season and I think he’s delighted with Dalot so…
He’s barely even experimented with his wingbacks.
A mighty draw vs 5th place Chelsea. Why wasn't he so good at Leicester then?
Our xg this season is 50 v Ipswich’s 36, so yes
And he has overseen it reaching even worse lows, 1 win a month in the league is a complete disgrace. The one player he has been involved in bringing in, Dorgu, is as bad as anything we have. He doesn't deserve anything, he hasn't earnt anything other than a P45 frankly. A lot resting on the EL.
Amorim didn't rate Rashford or Antony, hell even I didn't. So i'm not going be a hypocrite in that matter. also, I don't know if Amorim thought they were going on loan expecting INEOS to get in players on loan in the winter and INEOS didn't, who knows.
I’m not expecting to see his full potential this season but was expecting to see improvement as the season went on. At times we are looking even worse than when he first started.
He scored more goals for Ipswich this season. He’ll get plenty next year
The reality is that Delaps impact scoring 10 goals is likely to be significantly higher than Hojlund scoring 10. Look at today, Hojlund was almost totally anonymous, until the law of averages led to him finally being in the right place. Delap will cause problems for defenders were Hojlund just causes problems for his teammates.
Yet better results than anything Amorim has come up with in the league.
He deserves a proper pre-season and time to prepare and he deserves to try and get results with half decent attackers.
Coached a win, players did their best to lose as usual. Can't win when chances don't get put away. As long as the club makes sensible signings (of which Cunha and Delap look like a good start), we will be turning these near misses into wins next season. Love watching the haters here go crazy we didn't lose though. Amorim is the board's man till mid-2026 at least, so either cool the hatred or stop watching football for a year.
Once Amad had the injury and we lost Rashford/Antony, I don't know what improvement fans were expecting in attack personally. Maybe God himself could have got us scoring a lot with what we had?
Zirkzee didn't even pull trees until maybe right at the end
The players...for not performing.
I don't see anything to suggest that Ratcliffe will be as patient with failure as the Glazers, but neither of us really know.
Much shitter players I’d imagine.
Ruud came in here and did the basics. This guy came in, all loudmouthed, and hasn’t so far backed it up with anything. His start has been spectacularly shite.
Quality control
Yes it is a cult of personality. Every time United get's a new manager post-fergie fans treat him as the new messiah and beyond any criticism, making excuses for failures and extolling his percieved virtues. The fact all you have is blind faith as your reasoning proves this.
He hasn’t had the opportunity to bring his own players in and with a restricted budget, he’s going to have to figure this out in the summer and get it right. He has inherited a mess of a team and the club is mess too. If he can find a way to crack this, he’ll have been a worthy appointment. He’s had awful luck with injuries and this must also be factored in.
On the flip side, the squad he inherited isn’t terrible. He’s made the players we have look even worse than under ETH and that takes some doing. We didn’t even get a bounce that often happens with a new manager. Under ETH we were turd. Under RA we’re diarrhoea and we stink.
He will be here next season and I wish for him to turn it round, but I’m not sure what the future holds because I don’t think winning the EL is going to happen. I fear it will get worse before it gets better.
On the flip side, the squad he inherited isn’t terrible. He’s made the players we have look even worse than under ETH and that takes some doing. We didn’t even get a bounce that often happens with a new manager. Under ETH we were turd. Under RA we’re diarrhoea and we stink.
He will be here next season and I wish for him to turn it round, but I’m not sure what the future holds because I don’t think winning the EL is going to happen. I fear it will get worse before it gets better.
Very lucky apparently.
Amorim is 100% going to be here come August. I think it's preposterous to think otherwise.
Get the block button ready because if he doesn't win mid week you're probably not going to like this thread.
Not according to this:
Still in our favour, but by nowhere near as much as expected.
I listed about 5-6 reasons that are clear as day to say. How can it be blind faith?
There is enough there to trust him for a while yet and give him a proper stab at it.
Trust me I'm in no cult, Amorim has next season to be fairly judged. What time he deserves this season he should be rightly judged for under a season of transfers and a pre-season, then I'll be Amorim out if he doesn't get us performing. Amorim out now is absurd.
Or was it Amorim falling out with Rashford instantly, cocking it up publicly with bad comments as another reason? And asking the board to get rid without any idea of who replaces them? We could have just kept them in reserve, yet now we only have one senior striker and a kid.
Pre season will be as poorly scheduled as usual and the actual time they’ll get training will be limited. We have too much to improve on that the ‘holy grail’ of pre season will need to be serious impressive.
Look, I didn’t know what to expect really, but say we had results like this until Jan and then started improving… that would’ve been something.
Instead we’re getting worse with every week he coaches us and we look best when we appear to launch all tactics out of the window.
No you didn't.
Prepare to be surprised then
He beat Leicester a couple of times. As did Amorim.
Nailed it with player quality though, almost like managers aren't miracle workers.
Get rid, we are going to waste another season if we keep him, teams like Real, Chelsea etc would hardly tolerate this nonsense that's being served so far. Where are the standards