Thank you.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Thank you.
It is nice not to have a new manager talk about how much stronger other teams are, and that it will take a few years to get there.
Amorim has one thing going for him. The lessons from watching Eth. Hope he paid attention
1. He has to be dogged in executing his ideas with the perfect players for his system.
2. He will be judged by expensive gambles (Antony, Hoj) or wasteful spending on players that don’t fit your philosophy (Casa)
3. The young gems could buy him a lot of good will and may likely outperform the established players due to hunger or pure talent (KM, AG AD)
4. Expect consistency from Bruno and Rashford at your peril.
5.There is no universe where his reputation, goodwill with the fans or momentum in executing his ideas survives a 3+ goal loss vs Liverpool etc. Be practical if the game calls for it.
1. He has to be dogged in executing his ideas with the perfect players for his system.
2. He will be judged by expensive gambles (Antony, Hoj) or wasteful spending on players that don’t fit your philosophy (Casa)
3. The young gems could buy him a lot of good will and may likely outperform the established players due to hunger or pure talent (KM, AG AD)
4. Expect consistency from Bruno and Rashford at your peril.
5.There is no universe where his reputation, goodwill with the fans or momentum in executing his ideas survives a 3+ goal loss vs Liverpool etc. Be practical if the game calls for it.
Lovely interview. He speaks well and sounds genuine. Reminds me when Klopp came to Liverpool and you could see he brought in the energy and positivity.
It will be a tough ride to begin. But I am confident in couple of months we will have an identity which we have lacked since saf retired.
It will be a tough ride to begin. But I am confident in couple of months we will have an identity which we have lacked since saf retired.
Just watched his interview. Like his statement about 'identity', which has been missing for so long in my opinion.
Overall, he comes across really well - honest and humble.
We'll see what happens, but wish this young man all the very best.
Am tired of having different managers, so I really hope he works out..
Overall, he comes across really well - honest and humble.
We'll see what happens, but wish this young man all the very best.
Am tired of having different managers, so I really hope he works out..
If you go back to the EtH thread the consensus during the summer when he joined was that he came across well and it was a breath of fresh air the way he spoke (albeit with a heavy accent) and how direct he was. A few regular posters saying we had a generational talent in our hands. The proof will be in the pudding. If Amorim doesn't do well its likely his friendly demeanour and approachableness will be turned into a negative (after all Ole had a similar personality/approach when he first joined).
I'll enjoy the ride though until it's time tl get off, if it ever gets to that.
I'll enjoy the ride though until it's time tl get off, if it ever gets to that.
Eth was never this charismatic and he was never known to be a great speaker. Maybe a Dutch thing.
Ole had a boring personality but because he was a legend he said things to make people happy but that can only work to a point. Ole never talked about any identity or tactics.
Who is the interviewer? Honestly, he is dull as feck and may as well have been an AI, he basically sounded like one
Mourinho and Amorim style of play is different. Amorim may have different way to bring out the best of Rashford. Gyokeres was an unknown and Amorim totally transformed him, just saying.
All I'm saying is, if Amorim would like to try Rashford as ST, no harm to let him try it out.
Doesn't change the fact that when they all come in we highlighted their positive qualities. If we struggle the same friendly positive quality Amorim will be looked at as weak and too friendly with the players. Just the nature of fan bases. At the end of the day it'll come down to results and getting this team playing the right way which hopefully he can do.
I think as long as he’s implementing his style of football and we as fans can see that, the expectation will be somewhat more reserved if the results aren’t matching at the moment.
It'll be someone from MUTV won't it? Haven't subscribed to that for years. It was infuriating every time the ball went into the area and we didn't score: "That's a penalty kick, Steve. That's a penalty kick" from Paddy. I get that an inherent bias should be expected given the circumstances but good grief it was unwatchable.
Are you a meerkat by any chance?
Ole fooled only the most sentimental and gullible of United fans. His constant referring to SAF & 99 became a meme very quickly.
ETH… I agree the hype was very similar. But while some similarities to the approachability & friendliness it ends there, Amorim clearly has more charisma and a more steely nature and serious undertone to his character.
Also he’s just got the job. With any manager, even SAF, Mourinho etc at this stage the media see the friendly happy side. There’s no reason yet to see any other side that might exist.
I'm excited, I think the most I've been since probably Jose. But it is a bit disingenuous all the rewriting of history about how people were reacting at the start under Ten Hag. The hype was massive and the bloke was being spoken about in such glowing terms. This fanbase, and its not a negative, will happily take to a manager, at least at first and treat them like the second coming.
I’ve said it before on here I’m sure but my excitement for ten Hag was equal to my excitement for Amorim. People seem to forget that they have a very similar profile at time of appointment. Obviously Amorim is that bit younger again but ten Hag was a good age and seen as one of the most promising upcoming managers in Europe ready to make the step up at a big club. Hungry and ambitious.
Think he wants to play the Ruben Amorim way.
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Hard to tell whether you're both part of the joke or if you've truly fallen for @TheReligion's obvious baiting
Well, we don't have to be extraordinary to improve from our current state, which is like a relegation team. Just being more solid and playing as a good unit will see us improve.
To challenge at the top, that is another matter.
To challenge at the top, that is another matter.
Sounds like Steve Bower
Is it really wise to put his first interview behind a paywall?
Somebody posted a notification earlier in this thread from person who had done the interview. It was someone called Harry Robinson.
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It’s baffling. I know it’s probably quite far down INEOS’ agenda but sorting out the social media and stop doing bizarre things like this has to be done. No sane person is paying to get it instead of just waiting an hour or less for it be reuploaded elsewhere. So the club just lose out? So out of touch.
I subscribe to MUTV but I never watch it ( too much bother cancelling it) but it's not the same as when Paddy Crerand was there...the phone in show which I subscribed for disappeared because callers were very critical of the Glazers and the hierarchy can't have that can they.
I really don’t think his English is any better than Erik’s, he’s just more expressive and charismatic.
It’s comfortably better. His word choice is far more diverse, he can clearly communicate his thoughts clearer without repeating himself, you don’t see the cogs turning in his head when he speaks like you did with Ten Hag.
There was definitely optimism that came with Ten Hag's arrival, but a lot of that was because there was an expectation he'd look to replicate his Ajax team's possession style here at United. He lost me when he said he couldn't play that way here at the end of his first season and proceeded to make Mason Mount the cornerstone of some convoluted plan to change the way we played.
Our first season with him was okay but it was bookended with some really bad results which lost him some goodwill. We started with two losses and got beaten heavily by Brentford in only his second match. Then we had some really poor performances and results in the run-in, like the Sevilla Europa League matches and the infamous Liverpool 7-0.
The signs look encouraging for Amorim but it's too early to say for sure. The main differences between him and Ten Hag are he's 15 years his junior and in his young career he's already won trophies with teams like Braga and Sporting who are relatively unfancied compared to the Ajax team Ten Hag won with.
A couple of things that do seem fairly certain are Amorim being a better communicator and also being more comfortable reproducing what he did at Sporting here at United. He's more or less said that he'll start by playing a back 3 so it looks like he has more conviction in his ideas. Hopefully he'll keep us competitive and won't be tarnished by any thrashings early in his tenure because those two things can undermine any message, no matter how good it is.
Yeah it does seem better to me but only on first impression
Definitely appears to have more emotional intelligence
Is he officially starting training on Monday then? With the players who are there
I think it’s quite clearly better. The Dutch are sometimes hard to understand. LVG was the same.
I don’t really see why anyone would argue his English isn’t better? I think it’s just obvious.
Eras come to an end etc
He talks the talk and looks the part but this does nothing for me, I've been burned before. The proof is in the pudding, lets see.
Ye you can tell in the way he communicates. The players will 100% understand his ideas a lot clearer than they did with ETH. I mean the Dutch have their way of explaining things but it isn’t always clear.
Didn't he say about keeping things simple which is the opposite to how a lot of Dutch coaches operate.
Yes that is how I feel as well. We have had so many false dawns that I will wait to see how things progress in the short and medium term.
At some point, we will get it right. And I am fairly happy with the new club structure. Knowledgeable people in the key positions.
Our squad is okish except for the striker positions where we are weak. So that will help to be addressed, although maybe in the summer.
Best of luck Ruben. You are going to need a healthy dose of that.
I watched an extract on Reddit where he says "I am where am supposed to be"... Lovely stuff to hear.
Here's the link: https://v.redd.it/uhbbtw5v441e1, he says it at 50s.
Also from the full interview I thought it was especially interesting what he said about the youngsters
https://v.redd.it/5h609mubg41e1 from 8m35
He doesn't say heh every other word - it's clearly better.
Not sure to be honest. But based on some of the players antics over the years, it doesn't feel like it.
Agreed