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Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Reminded me of that RAWK meme with Brendan Rodgers looking up at the skies with Shankly/Paisley watching over him "how am I doing boss?"He's arrived and he's perfect
I desperately wanted to believe in you Ruby
Another casualty for Rashy. He has some kind of spell every new manager finds himself in. And then get fired by the time they wiggle out of it.
He's not gonna make it.
How many more chances is Rashford going to be given? The club always pushes for a talisman. But they should be pushing that mantle towards the 3 young stars, Mainoo, Garnacho, Amad.
Rashford has had enough chances under several managers.
Dean Jones? THE senior transfer correspondent from Give Me Sport?
How legit is that source, seen as some are already complaining? Anyway. What did you all expect? He was always going to be given a chance under a new manager. The key is to either get him performing by demanding more or freezing him out as soon as it’s clear he isn’t.
The one and only. Dean. Jones. Soccer.
What are you trying to insinuate, that it’s completely ridiculous to even consider judging the new manager before he’s actually managed a game for his new club? Don’t be so silly.
I hope the club is not forcing Rashford on Amorim before he even started.
Let's just make Rashford manager
We’ve been talking about it in the Rashford thread as a thing that kind of makes sense. Not in the sense that it will definitely work, but that it is potentially the best place he would fit especially that we’re light on numbers and quality in the striker position.
I am convinced GiveMeSport read it on here and it’s low effort then to put it on twitter and get some engagement.
I am convinced GiveMeSport read it on here and it’s low effort then to put it on twitter and get some engagement.
Do you honestly think that a club would force one specific player to new manager - that he has to play whatever it takes? That sounds so mental and impossible at this level.
He fits a profile of mobile forward and get's a plank paper like every other player. Same goes with Hojlund, Zirkzee and so else might end up playing up top.
Presume Dean Jones at Give Me Sport uncovered this very specific tactical insight during one of his regular dinner dates at the Amorim family home and that they discussed the nuances of how he'd set the team up over a whiskey in the drawing room.
In the past, yes absolutely. Now probably not but not sure.
Either that or Dean Jones has secretly been getting his hands down Mrs Amorim’s drawers.
Yep, the usual pillow talk about her husband intending to start Rashford in a 3-4-3.
Dean Jones but of which university? If it isnt Harvard his analysis means nothing to me.
Maybe, but even then, hasn't it been more from media to push their darlings, whether it's homegrown or superstar like Ronaldo on his second tenure etc.
The other thing is if a new manager comes in and one player had like a 30 goal season before or on the middle of epic run, they honestly would like that to continue and give them chance.
Dean Jones the cricketer maybe, RIP
Next 6 months he will evaluate the players he has to figure out what he will need on the transfer market. Of course meanwhile he does have to improve the output of some players, get more results in the league and perform better on the Europa League.
Obviously important to improve on the short term but I am not expecting an Ole type of bounceback when he replaced Mourinho, next months his interaction with those who work around him to figure out how and what type of players he will need in the market will be key to improve on the long term.
But he has to show something on the next 6 months, if not the atmosphere will be toxic for next season, obviously football is always about performance or results, even if tactics matter the most important thing on the short term will be how he creates relations on a personal level with the players at his disposal.
The rest is wishful thinking, articles from the media or social media baits to generate clicks is pure entertainment, he is not a football messiah or tatical guru, will need that bit of luck at the start and to create good relations with the players at personal level.
Obviously will need to show improvements on a tatical level, at least on the way the defensive line is coordinated but without pre season will be more difficult to assimilate those concepts.
Obviously important to improve on the short term but I am not expecting an Ole type of bounceback when he replaced Mourinho, next months his interaction with those who work around him to figure out how and what type of players he will need in the market will be key to improve on the long term.
But he has to show something on the next 6 months, if not the atmosphere will be toxic for next season, obviously football is always about performance or results, even if tactics matter the most important thing on the short term will be how he creates relations on a personal level with the players at his disposal.
The rest is wishful thinking, articles from the media or social media baits to generate clicks is pure entertainment, he is not a football messiah or tatical guru, will need that bit of luck at the start and to create good relations with the players at personal level.
Obviously will need to show improvements on a tatical level, at least on the way the defensive line is coordinated but without pre season will be more difficult to assimilate those concepts.
No.
Amorim out
I am glad that we have signed him with 27 PL games to go.. it will give us an idea of what was wrong.
I do want to see a new manager bounce, but not a short term one, we need to see some sort of consistency in our play.
The biggest thing I will be looking out for until the end of the season is the ability to compete against the top sides, we have gone into games against the better sides expecting to lose 2,3- nil.
Interestingly, he has 3 in his opening 12 games. Probably as hard as it gets going away to Arsenal, home to City and away to Liverpool. Those are games where I want to see a massive improvement in. Ideally, he wins all 3, but If we can not lose any of those, it will stand him in good stead.
Ten Hag was so bad that I think just being able to get us organised should yield in good results.
For him would be easier to take the job next season with a proper pre season to have more time to work on a tatical level with the players, looking at what he might be thinking probably the next 6 months will be key to understand what players he already has for the future and what is missing.
But until that he has to survive and obviously the challenge in England is more demanding, if I can guess anything he has to start by improving the team on the defensive level (different than being defensive for the long term).
The key will always be the players, and let's see what he can do on the Europa League, doesn't look important but I think it will be for different reasons.
All this while Amorim has taken exactly 0 hours of training with the lads - & he's already formulated ideas around the team/strategy which he's obviously already shared widely enough for Dean Jones to be ITK...
In other news: "Amorim plans on using Shaw at LCB as competition/cover for Martinez. It's seen as a move which could prolong Shaw's United career, whilst also prioritizing more attacking wingbacks in his system"
Makes sense that Rashford’s position in the team would likely come at number 9, he doesn’t fit anywhere else.
I’d be surprised if he is able to stay in the team, and may just be a bit part player until he is sold in the near future. At least Hojlund is young and can likely be coached into the player we need for the system.
Excited for the first game and first team he puts out, be nice to see some positivity on the pitch, even after what will be a fairly short stint on the training field.
I’d be surprised if he is able to stay in the team, and may just be a bit part player until he is sold in the near future. At least Hojlund is young and can likely be coached into the player we need for the system.
Excited for the first game and first team he puts out, be nice to see some positivity on the pitch, even after what will be a fairly short stint on the training field.
Taking into consideration that it is the mid of the season, it makes sense to try Rashford in the new system.
He has the next 6 months to evaluate the squad and see how they can work in their adapted positions / in his system. Since Rashford is not going to be sold in January, I don't see why not try to see how he fits or if he fits at all.
I have no trust in Rashford at this point though.
He has the next 6 months to evaluate the squad and see how they can work in their adapted positions / in his system. Since Rashford is not going to be sold in January, I don't see why not try to see how he fits or if he fits at all.
I have no trust in Rashford at this point though.
Even when Rashford was in top form he never fully adjusted to the role of a natural striker because he never really was one .
I think coaches have seen his strengths ,with his electric pace and composure in front of goal, and occasionally it has worked but longterm its never been a consistent viable role for him or us.
He's never been a instinctive player in the box and his lack of aerial threat is clear yet the unfortunate part is Zirkzee and Hojlund both equally lack those same two skillsets too.
I think coaches have seen his strengths ,with his electric pace and composure in front of goal, and occasionally it has worked but longterm its never been a consistent viable role for him or us.
He's never been a instinctive player in the box and his lack of aerial threat is clear yet the unfortunate part is Zirkzee and Hojlund both equally lack those same two skillsets too.
I am a big critic of Rashford and don't think he's the long term solution, past this summer. But Hojlund has been absolutely woeful. I don't think I've ever seen a player be consistently so invisible. He's absolutely useless as a striker at the moment and it would be hard to do a worse job.
Amorim front 3 are expected to make many sprints per game without receiving the ball.
They have to keep sprinting only to drag defenders and open spaces for the team - just look at the work Trincão, Gyokeres and Pedro Gonçalves do each game. They have to be prepared to receive one pass per 8-10 sprints or so.
That is what he expects and that is what the front 3 will have to give him (without complaining about it)
They have to keep sprinting only to drag defenders and open spaces for the team - just look at the work Trincão, Gyokeres and Pedro Gonçalves do each game. They have to be prepared to receive one pass per 8-10 sprints or so.
That is what he expects and that is what the front 3 will have to give him (without complaining about it)
Amorim in his videos above. Strong 90s Rock vibes with the turtleneck.
I desperately wanted to believe in you Ruby
legit source or not....it's really the only position in that system logically he could play
his role is going to similar to what they've done with Gyokeres who is constantly running the channels...it's about pace and running behind which rashford can do
zirkzee clearly doesn't have the pace....Hojlund has the pace and would fill in that back up role but don't see him starting there given he's not quite ready