Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Let's gooooo Rashford for the win. Better than Hojlund for sure.
In CF? No.
Rashford, while he hasn't been lighting it up this year (no one really has), has been playing for the team more than previous seasons. He's less prone to keeping his head down and trying to dribble through everyone.
I'm at a stage where I'm willing to let our new manager try whatever he thinks is best. He'll eventually figure out which players work in which positions so if he wants to experiment with Rashford at striker, I'm all for it
I'm at a stage where I'm willing to let our new manager try whatever he thinks is best. He'll eventually figure out which players work in which positions so if he wants to experiment with Rashford at striker, I'm all for it
I desperately wanted to believe in you Ruby
I think this is more 'do this or you're out'
I desperately wanted to believe in you Ruby
I'm waiting for the articles about how Rashford feels the number 9 position is his best position. Then, in a few months, there will be articles about how Rashford is frustrated about not playing from his favourite left position. Another question, will Rashford press?
I'm not fully against giving Rashford a chance at 9 in the short term with how our strikers are performing. He's not a target man type player but neither is Rasmus at the minute either with his hold up play.
Gives a chance to pick another technical player in one of those positions behind the striker too.
Gives a chance to pick another technical player in one of those positions behind the striker too.
Some of you need to relax. He may very well try him in that role, and if doesn't work out he goes back to the bench, and likely eventually sold. He's not going to be an automatic starter.
The same will apply to every player in the squad. It's natural he'll experiment with different players in different roles in the beginning.
The same will apply to every player in the squad. It's natural he'll experiment with different players in different roles in the beginning.
I read that Amorim's system is to play to players' strengths rather than the other way around. Let's see how that works out. It would be marvellous to see all the players playing better as indivuals and team because of the way the system is set up.
I really want to see
Amad - Bruno
Höjlund.
as the three furthest forward.
Amad - Bruno
Höjlund.
as the three furthest forward.
Rashford at 9 doesn’t surprise me: it’s the position in Amorim’s system that best suits him. Gyokores is a hardworking striker, so we will have to see how that translates to Rashford.
Exactly. Rashford's PR team is back at work. We all know what sells stories during the international break, INEOS have upset the journalists because they probably would have preferred more speculation over these 2 weeks.
Amorim will not know what players are suited to what position until he takes training. Now, the first game, he may well start Rashford in the 9 because he would have had a week plus to train him, whereas Hojlund and Zirkee are on internationals.
Be prepared for a team that might not be his final team against Ipswich, the likes of Garnacho, Diallo, Dalot, Bruno and others on international duty may only get 1/2 training sessions before the game.
He may start Mount, Rashy, Casemiro, Evans, Maguire as they would be more up to speed with his tactics.
I desperately wanted to believe in you Ruby
Probably the worst source you could find.
Is he a number 9? or a number 11?
The answer is to multiply both. 99.
The answer is to multiply both. 99.
I have no problem with Marcus playing striker for us. He can score goals, he is fast, he can control the ball better than Rasmus can. Worth a shot. Be interesting to see if he can keep up the intensity and concentration needed and not switch off. We need him to win fights in there
Agreed 100%, some overreaction here is surprising. When a new manager comes he has to give a fair shot - or at least pretend to give a fair shot - to all the players, in order to show he cares more about the performance on the pitch than a name or reputation. Rashford will rightfully get his chances and it's a good thing, even if everything points to him not being a good fit in Amorim system.
At least it's the way I see football-fandom. It's a little bit of escapism. Things are very simple on a football pitch. You enjoy when you win and play good football, you are annoyed when you don't. When things are bleak you are looking for a new dawn and get excited again at the first glimpse of a potential change.
With Pogba, Zlatan and Jose I was also sure, we'd be heading back to the top again. We weren't that far off either with an European title and a 2nd place.
He couldn’t win a fight against the centre half from my lad’s u12s team.
This. He's not gonna play wingback and he isn't technical enough to play in one of the number 10s with Bruno, Amad, Mount, Zirkzee, Eriksen all better suited. Makes sense to consider him another option to Hojlund
I desperately wanted to believe in you Ruby
Hope not
Let's give both Amorim and Rashford a chance to try it out first if the report was to be believe. It's weird that there are so many negative comments before anything even tried out yet.
For all we know, we could also see Antony and Amad at wingback too.
For all we know, we could also see Antony and Amad at wingback too.
Oh my, are you sure he is really U12 then?
Let's go, Rashy! Seventh time's the charm!
Did we piss off someone in the visa office or something? Swear ours take way longer than any other club.
Amorim is not putting Rashford on the bench right away. He is the only player that has proven thathe is (was) able to score 30 goals a season. He'll at least get his chances till the end of the season.
So I don't think it's a big surprise if he tries him as striker, as he's definitely no wingback and also doesn't seem to be the player Amorim needs in the wide forward/offensive midfield positions.
I don't think Rashford will be a good fit as a striker either, but I could image that it's his best chance of getting into the team. And maybe he'll even surprise us. At least he can stretch the pitch and make those runs in behind and in wide areas Amorim supposedly wants from his striker.
So I don't think it's a big surprise if he tries him as striker, as he's definitely no wingback and also doesn't seem to be the player Amorim needs in the wide forward/offensive midfield positions.
I don't think Rashford will be a good fit as a striker either, but I could image that it's his best chance of getting into the team. And maybe he'll even surprise us. At least he can stretch the pitch and make those runs in behind and in wide areas Amorim supposedly wants from his striker.
Ten Hag attacking formation: 316, Amorim’s attacking formation: 316 in attack.
Ten Hag pressing: force opposing team wide, Amorim’s pressing: force opposing team wide.
Did we hire Ten Hag 2.0? Heh.
Ten Hag pressing: force opposing team wide, Amorim’s pressing: force opposing team wide.
Did we hire Ten Hag 2.0? Heh.
Never been convinced when he plays upfront and I think the player hates that role as well.
The issue with giving him a chance is that he's already had something like 80 matches as his 'chance' since his form and performance nosedived off a cliff.
We're not a charitable organisation whose primary purpose is to make Rashford work as a concept. We're not a serious football club if this guy keeps getting chances.
Agreed, it could be there is no place for Rashford in this system.
I desperately wanted to believe in you Ruby
Where else does he play in a 3421? Not good enough defensively for the wing, not creative enough to play in the 2 behind the striker. It's the only position he could possibly fit into, not expecting miracles personally.
I'm sure we will see a lot of trial and error this season, especially in that attacking trio. Rashford isn't a perfect fit on paper for anywhere in Amorim's system, but at least in the number 9 spot he has the maximum chance of scoring goals. There is zero chance that we let Rashford go next summer without having given him a fair chance to fit the system.
From what I understand of Amorim, he doesn't want his strikers hounding the opponents at every turn early era Klopp-style, but rather is more focussed on getting them to close off passing lanes so that the opponents pass into central areas, which is where they press from. While I wouldn't say that closing passing lanes has been an obvious strength from Rashford either, its still less demanding than trying to get the initial turnover. It also obviates the risk from Rashford's tendency to switch off when tracking back opponents. And one thing he at least offer is running onto balls in the inside left and right channels from a central position.
The negative commentary from fans about this is disappointing. I personally don't have much faith in Rashford coming good, but that doesn't mean I don't want Amorim to try and make it work, and I certainly don't think its a negative that he's trying. There's a lot of under-performers in this squad, we can't just ditch them all. We need a manager that gets the most out of his players. I would hate it if a manager came in with preconceived ideas that certain players are shit and beyond redemption.
From what I understand of Amorim, he doesn't want his strikers hounding the opponents at every turn early era Klopp-style, but rather is more focussed on getting them to close off passing lanes so that the opponents pass into central areas, which is where they press from. While I wouldn't say that closing passing lanes has been an obvious strength from Rashford either, its still less demanding than trying to get the initial turnover. It also obviates the risk from Rashford's tendency to switch off when tracking back opponents. And one thing he at least offer is running onto balls in the inside left and right channels from a central position.
The negative commentary from fans about this is disappointing. I personally don't have much faith in Rashford coming good, but that doesn't mean I don't want Amorim to try and make it work, and I certainly don't think its a negative that he's trying. There's a lot of under-performers in this squad, we can't just ditch them all. We need a manager that gets the most out of his players. I would hate it if a manager came in with preconceived ideas that certain players are shit and beyond redemption.
It depends on how we play i guess. From the little i`ve seen of Sporting they seem to try and move the ball forward quicker then we normally do. We play a bit slower, (used to at least)lots of patience in our build up with lots of touches for our centerbacks and keeper. When weplay like that we kind of need a more natural, shithouse nr 9, that enjoys playing with their back to the goal.
None of our strikers are like that. Both Rasmus and Marcus wants to run the channels and not wrestle with the cb half the time. Gyokeres seems to be similar in style. Might be different for them under Amorim
Amorim press is not so focused on individual marking, though.
Isn't this the reason he is hired as a head coach also? to improve players.
Alot of teams that play really well, have players that are really good at understanding and playing the system, which in turn improves them as the manager is utilising the strengths of players.
If he can say to Rashford something that will make him realise that he needs to work harder of the ball, when we have it, I see no issue in Rashford playing the 9, he is well suited for it.
Imagine that, a new coach will give player a chance to show himself.
Why is anyone believing 'Dean Jones from GiveMeSport'?
Am I missing something?
Am I missing something?
I desperately wanted to believe in you Ruby
It's the only position he might look half decent in in the 3-4-3 system but I have my doubts. His hold up play is abysmal and he shys out of headers. His only "luck" is that Hojlund is struggling at the moment and Zirkzee is... Well a bit shit in general.
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They believe what they want to believe.