Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach | Thread locked during matches

massey said:
Switched off after about 25 mins that's how boring this team is now for me lack of players in forward positions not that they wouldn't brain fart the moments anyway.
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Surely watching a football match is less boring than posting on a football forum though?!
 
Give this man a proper striker and right wingback and future will be bright.
Defence is playing well and midfield is better and better in possession.
When Amad comes back and proven and proper striker this team will be very good.
 
Telsim said:
Same shit, different manager. Dull, boring, ineffective, weak.
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You thought that was dull and boring?
You're having a laugh aren't you.Christ sake for once there was only one team in it and it wasn't Forest.
 
Jev said:
The point @Amar__ is making is absolutely correct. And the idea that you can’t be defensive despite winning possession is nonsense. The 5-3-2 is fundamentally a defensive setup, especially when you play conventional full-backs out wide as has been Amorim’s clear preference. It means we spend a lot of time recycling possession between three CB’s who are parked in our half, it means we have too many men behind the ball while in possession, and it means we’re often lacking numbers up front. It’s not a controversial take and it’s not difficult to see. There’s a reason we score so few goals under Amorim; he is the most defensive manager we’ve had based on what we’ve seen so far. I don’t even see how it’s debatable.
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I totally agree. I absolutely hate this system.
 
Gavinb33 said:
No way I struggle to think of their goalkeeper making one save that was above average, a load of pot shots outside the box and one header from a corner isn't lots of chances in my opinion
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Dalot hit the post, Maguire squandered a late header chance, Mount went just wide a few minutes earlier, Bruno got a good shot on target early on. Garnacho also squandered several efforts. Plenty of chances, just no striker to score goals.
 
We played well, but this team is just void of finishers and exciting attackers

I really hope we end up spending big money on experience for these players and don't always go on the "buy cheap young talent to turn them into top players" all the time, it's boring.
 
Joseunited said:
You thought that was dull and boring?
You're having a laugh aren't you.Christ sake for once there was only one team in it and it wasn't Forest.
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If a lot of empty possession and pointless potshots qualify as entertaining to you, have at it. This game went according to Forest's plan, not United. So, no, there wasn't just "one team in it."

Reminds me of the Arsenal games where United "dominated" them, despite Arsenal clearly backing off and letting United pass it around. Everyone knows by this point United don't represent a threat in possession, only in transition.
 
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We played good football up to a point. But we are asking attacking thrust from full backs who don’t have the quality for it. Dorgu is clearly not a top class forward talent. As a full-back, I’m sure he can do very well, but he was asked to make things happen time and time again in the final third, and he simply doesn’t have the quality. His passing was atrocious tonight.

People bang on about recruitment, the same way they were including Quenda in their imaginary lineups. Recent reports have said that RWB isn’t even a priority position this summer. For this to work, we basically need a centre forward putting up Haaland numbers.

Why on earth do we need 3 centre halves against one centre forward every game?
 
We all know a loss ain’t good enough. And we all know where our deficiencies lie. It’s nothing new to bleat on and on about that. I don’t get why some struggle to accept we looked promising.

Passing was crisp the first 30/40 mins. We were able to get out of presses in tight areas too. We did have a huge element of control in and out of possession. Forest looked good in the counters as they have all season.

We dominated a game against top 4 opposition yet it feels like we’re dead in the water going by the comments.
 
Feel sorry for him really, he's been given a genuinely dreadful set of attacking players and is now tasked with winning games with no players with the quality to actually score a goal.
 
Snow said:
Plenty of chances? Can't think of any decent chance really. Our best chances were some shots outside the box and headers from weak crosses that are difficult to score from. We really only looked threatening when the ball was close to Casemiro or Maguire. None of our actual attackers bothered Forest one bit.

They did their homework by focusing on Bruno, doing their usual counter attacking routine that they've done all season but still surprised us somehow and sat back and enjoyed their defending. It probably played out close to exactly like Espirito Santo drew it up.
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I just listed them above. We had 70% possession, had several hundred more passes, had seven more corners etc. All clear evidence we had more chances than them, we just lack a qualify finisher. If we had a Rooney a Ruud or an RvP, we would've scored at least 3 goals today imo. Adding a striker has to be priority #1 in the summer, and I suspect it will be.
 
I can see what the plan was tonight but I still don't think this is the way we should be playing and I'm not sure this coach is worth investing in.
 
That was an encouraging performance, not gonna lie. Was expecting an underwhelming performance considering we have been playing the easier games, but they turned up tonight and performed well. Nottingham Forest has been really good this season.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Give this man a proper striker and right wingback and future will be bright.
Defence is playing well and midfield is better and better in possession.
When Amad comes back and proven and proper striker this team will be very good.
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We’ll need an absolutely elite left wingback to make this system work as well.
 
We get to plenty of promising positions around the box, but the ability of the players to combine, make the right pass, or the right dribble is just not there. I don’t know if it has a lot to do with coaching and tactics. When I watch our games I see players just lacking in quality.
 
Raoul said:
Dalot hit the post, Maguire squandered a late header chance, Mount went just wide a few minutes earlier, Bruno got a good shot on target early on. Garnacho also squandered several efforts. Plenty of chances, just no striker to score goals.
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Bruno and Mount both pot shots outside the box, I quoted the Dalot header and I didn't see the Maguire chance as the baby woke up.

But I stand by my point we didn't create a load of chances
 
Swedish_Plumber said:
We all know a loss ain’t good enough. And we all know where our deficiencies lie. It’s nothing new to bleat on and on about that. I don’t get why some struggle to accept we looked promising.

Passing was crisp the first 30/40 mins. We were able to get out of presses in tight areas too. We did have a huge element of control in and out of possession. Forest looked good in the counters as they have all season.

We dominated a game against top 4 opposition yet it feels like we’re dead in the water going by the comments.
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Forest's game plan was to allow us all of the ball like they did, it wasn't due to any tactical masterclass from us it is the way they play and we couldn't lay a glove on them
 
One or even two proper strikers. A number 10 and a proper attacking wide back is what he needs. Let's see if he gets that.
 
We played pretty well tonight but thought he made some questionable subs. Ultimately the real issue Amorim has is the attackers he has to work with simply aren’t good enough and the one that is goes and picks up an injury that rules him out for the season, very unlucky. We’re starting to play a bit better football though so hopefully with the addition of some quality in attack we’ll really start to see his system working as it should.
 
I thought we played well and were unlucky to lose. Dalot and Dorgu should have done more with their crosses. Garnacho should have made more of his endless opportunities. Bruno was quiet and Zirkzee / Hojlund should have been more involved.
 
Hard to read too much into the stats like possession and shots as better teams have done similar and lost there.

Even teams around us like Spurs had 70% possession, unlike us are one of the leagues top scoring teams but lost 1-0 to an Elanga goal.

We're a long way off from having a functioning attack.
 
Dominos said:
Feel sorry for him really, he's been given a genuinely dreadful set of attacking players and is now tasked with winning games with no players with the quality to actually score a goal.
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And yet he sets up the team with more defenders than attackers every bloody game. A back 5 and 2 holding players is the most negative setup I’ve ever seen from a United manager.
 
Mcking said:
That was an encouraging performance, not gonna lie. Was expecting an underwhelming performance considering we have been playing the easier games, but they turned up tonight and performed well. Nottingham Forest has been really good this season.
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This is a fundamental point I think people just aren't getting at all here. Forest have been one of the best sides in the country this season. Even the best teams around them have struggled facing them.

We lost to a frankly fantastic goal from Elanga (although one of our lot should've brought him down!) but we were certainly the better side for the last half an hour of the game that I caught, and it sounds like we were for the most part before that too.

I've been much, much more encouraged by what I've seen from the side of late and the game today hasn't done anything to change that.
 
Rozay said:
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Why on earth do we need 3 centre halves against one centre forward every game?
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It's the new 'shining toy' and the new shinning idea.

If Amorim doesn't change his ways he wont be a success. It's very obvious to see. People are just burying their minds just like during ETH era.

We sacrificed one midfielder to have another defender. We are playing with handbrake on. The car will move but in limp mode.
 
Gavinb33 said:
Bruno and Mount both pot shots outside the box, I quoted the Dalot header and I didn't see the Maguire chance as the baby woke up.

But I stand by my point we didn't create a load of chances
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We had 23 shots on goal to their 8. We had 6 on target to their 2. So all things, said we had far more chances than them, and if we had anything remotely better than Zirkzee or Hojlund, a few of them would've found the back of the net.
 
Rozay said:
Okay mate.
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If you want to already write off a 20 year old Dorgu after his first handful of games in the PL that’s up to you, but the point remains the wingbacks clearly get forward in attack, they are not defenders when we have the ball, so this ‘we’re playing with 5 defenders, we’re so defensive’ nonsense is just that… nonsense.
 
Gavinb33 said:
Forest's game plan was to allow us all of the ball like they did, it wasn't due to any tactical masterclass from us it is the way they play and we couldn't lay a glove on them
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Is that why Nuno had to ring the early changes? They were clearly in control and everything was going their way?
 
Jev said:
The point @Amar__ is making is absolutely correct. And the idea that you can’t be defensive despite winning possession is nonsense. The 5-3-2 is fundamentally a defensive setup, especially when you play conventional full-backs out wide as has been Amorim’s clear preference. It means we spend a lot of time recycling possession between three CB’s who are parked in our half, it means we have too many men behind the ball while in possession, and it means we’re often lacking numbers up front. It’s not a controversial take and it’s not difficult to see. There’s a reason we score so few goals under Amorim; he is the most defensive manager we’ve had based on what we’ve seen so far. I don’t even see how it’s debatable.
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Yeah, it's funny how people can't remember we had similar outcomes in our games when van Gaal was here, even if the style isn't the same, it's still 3 at the back and two wing backs that you simply cannot escape from. I am not saying it will be boring as it was under van Gaal, but most of teams that play with 3 defenders have lot of pointless possession that is simply too easy to have because you have lot of players behind the ball and no one up front. Even Pep's team were similar, altough with more quality up front obviously.
 
Swedish_Plumber said:
Is that why Nuno had to ring the early changes? They were clearly in control and everything was going their way?
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Nuno knew we were stretching them across the pitch and were looking dangerous. Anybody with eyes could see what was happening. Our WBs and 10s were getting into great positions with plenty of space, they just made absolutely nothing of it as usual. He added a body into the back line to close the gaps.
 
Rozay said:
Why on earth do we need 3 centre halves against one centre forward every game?
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Because it allows us to play our wingbacks in attack.

Because it means 2 of our 3 CBs can also move forward, creating 2 triangles on either side of the pitch, knowing we have someone in there providing protection.

Look at what’s actually happening on the pitch instead of focusing on ‘5 defenders’.
 
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