Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

cyril C said:
So people think manager should be given a 6 years contract? But what is the difference? You get fired in 1st or 2nd year anyway. Most cannot last more than 3 anyway.

IMO, this 2.5y contract is actually protecting Amorim, who would definitely demand 2years+ compensation should we sack him after next summer. Sort of to guarantee 2.5 seasons of job security (plus perhaps war chest promised next 2 summer)
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I agree. It works out for both parties. If he is a success and wants to stay he can negotiate a nice pay rise. If it doesn’t work, then there is no big payout by Utd
 
Solius said:
From what I've seen you need good balance, passing and vision for these roles. Ganracho doesn't really have good passing or an eye for a subtle pass. He's very much a pass and move footballer.
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Here’s what I’m thinking:

Yoro De Ligt Martinez

Mazraoui Mainoo Ugarte Garnacho

Amad Hojlund/Rashford Bruno

Alternate wingbacks: Dalot, Amad, Antony, mythical left backs
Alternate 10s: Zirkzee, Mount
Shaw and Dalot can play the lcb and rcb positions. Maguire and Evans center.

I don’t really see Rashford or Garnacho in one of the ‘10’ positions, but would not be surprised if Amorim coaches them to do that.
 
Hope he comes with a psychologist, a physio, a doctor, a surgeon and a fitness coach.

This team is damn broken and Amorim will have a LOT of work to do to repair what was broken.

I am still hoping to see the team play better football in a few weeks. If Emery did it when he arrived why not Amorim
 
NLunited said:
It’s true we need to show more composure and above all, better decision making. I disagree that speed is the issue; the ability to attack quickly in transition or after you play through the press is paramount.

Slowing down everything will create its own problems. It’s about knowing when to slow down and when to be quick.

Amorim likes to attack with speed and likes to have possession: both can be true.
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I think there's a difference between what we're doing and actually being quick though. Looking hurried on the ball doesn't mean you're actually playing quickly, and that half a second to compose yourself and play a better weighted pass or bring the ball under better control should, overall, improve our speed of play.

It's that old adage of how slow is smooth and smooth is fast.
 
Without trying to ask for to much from him as its a new league and our players cant run to save their lives BUT if he doesn't work out then he might as well stay here long term trying to fix this broken club and learn he's trade. We are the most broken club in English football IMHO.
 
Chaky_Best said:
Hope he comes with a psychologist, a physio, a doctor, a surgeon and a fitness coach.

This team is damn broken and Amorim will have a LOT of work to do to repair what was broken.

I am still hoping to see the team play better football in a few weeks. If Emery did it when he arrived why not Amorim
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He built sporting and ending there 19 years without a title. Ended the domination of Porto and Benfica. I think we all should be a bit optimistic that this is finally the man to turn us around. ETH said Eras come to an end… Ruben Amorim is coming to prove it.
 
Happy and optimistic.

Amorim, Tuchel ….massive upgrades for club and country.
 
Will Singh said:
Without trying to ask for to much from him as its a new league and our players cant run to save their lives BUT if he doesn't work out then he might as well stay here long term trying to fix this broken club and learn he's trade. We are the most broken club in English football IMHO.
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Come on mate, that's laughable considering there historically big clubs that are in league 1 right now.
 
The Mitcher said:
Come on mate, that's laughable considering there historically big clubs that are in league 1 right now.
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Most of those in League 1 are "big clubs" by name rather than success like United have had.

Whereas United are a big club in numerous ways.. including history, fanbase, commercial value and success.
 
romufc said:
Most of those in League 1 are "big clubs" by name rather than success like United have had.

Whereas United are a big club in numerous ways.. including history, fanbase, commercial value and success.
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But we aren't the most broken club, it is absurd
 
Will Singh said:
Without trying to ask for to much from him as its a new league and our players cant run to save their lives BUT if he doesn't work out then he might as well stay here long term trying to fix this broken club and learn he's trade. We are the most broken club in English football IMHO.
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A broken club that as still won things during our worse period. Most teams would take our trophies from the past 10 years.
 
I want to see plenty of players staying in Manchester over the international break...they have a new manager to impress! and new formation to learn!

Can't be wasting time flying around the globe...pick up a "knock" against Leicester and get ready to welcome Amorim on Monday :devil:
 
I really do not get the pessimism regarding some if not all of our players based purely on effort, work rate etc...

Most people have accepted that Ole was a poor tactician and that ETH's tactics were all over the place, at times absurd and impossible to implement.

So how do you evaluate players who have been operating in a dysfunctional system for 5 seasons, is it just co-incidence that in this period pretty much every player we had, have promoted or have brought in has been tarred with the same criticism? lazy, unfit, not enough energy or effort.... (and even before for Mourinho)

Will Amorim do something different? get a tune? I do not know, but I am 99% certain that the vast majority of our players if played in a function team, system, tactical set up, would have energy, effort, desire, work rate etc...

In any job irrespective of the effort put in, performance will be negatively impacted by poor procedures, practices, systems and ineffective management... (training, tactics, coaching)

People are very quick to blame players, if 1 or 2 players were guilty of poor attitude even for the entire time since Mou's 2nd season then that would be on them, but to suggest every player we have had in this period is just a bad apple is simply ridiculous, yet time and time again we see "players got another manager sacked" really!
 
Zed 101 said:
I really do not get the pessimism regarding some if not all of our players based purely on effort, work rate etc...

Most people have accepted that Ole was a poor tactician and that ETH's tactics were all over the place, at times absurd and impossible to implement.

So how do you evaluate players who have been operating in a dysfunctional system for 5 seasons, is it just co-incidence that in this period pretty much every player we had, have promoted or have brought in has been tarred with the same criticism? lazy, unfit, not enough energy or effort.... (and even before for Mourinho)

Will Amorim do something different? get a tune? I do not know, but I am 99% certain that the vast majority of our players if played in a function team, system, tactical set up, would have energy, effort, desire, work rate etc...

In any job irrespective of the effort put in, performance will be negatively impacted by poor procedures, practices, systems and ineffective management... (training, tactics, coaching)

People are very quick to blame players, if 1 or 2 players were guilty of poor attitude even for the entire time since Mou's 2nd season then that would be on them, but to suggest every player we have had in this period is just a bad apple is simply ridiculous, yet time and time again we see "players got another manager sacked" really!
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They're of course not all lazy, that's ridiculous. Rashford is lazy, AWB was lazy, Dalot at times is either lazy or lacks serious focus, and Zirkzee is probably massively overweight. Casemiro and Eriksen don't have the legs, Maguire doesn't have any pace, other than that we don't have lazy players or immobile players. And we of course have an imbalanced side and they've not taken on instruction which is on Erik and the players to a degree, impossible to define, but we'll know better when Amorim arrives. I think quite a few of them will show marked improvement. I just hope the ones that have been very often injured can get over those fitness issues (including Hojlund in that too).
 
For Amorim to succeed, he needs to get rid of the “Killers” (as I often call them) in the squad. And by Killers I mean Rashford, Maguire,Shaw &Lindelof. These guys have been present in our past failures and whether they’re completely responsible for it or not , their influence is huge on this team and we need to get rid of them if the new manager is to have total control of the squad.

With the exception of Case, Eriksen & Evans, we’ve a young squad the manager can shape to play the type of football he wants. I hope the board fully backs him to get rid of these players especially Rashy else the moment he starts benching him the press will be mounting pressure on Amorim if results don’t go our way .

I think Pep did the same at Barca by getting rid of the big egos in the squad iirc. I really want him to succeed here. All the best Ruben
 
Zed 101 said:
I really do not get the pessimism regarding some if not all of our players based purely on effort, work rate etc...

Most people have accepted that Ole was a poor tactician and that ETH's tactics were all over the place, at times absurd and impossible to implement.

So how do you evaluate players who have been operating in a dysfunctional system for 5 seasons, is it just co-incidence that in this period pretty much every player we had, have promoted or have brought in has been tarred with the same criticism? lazy, unfit, not enough energy or effort.... (and even before for Mourinho)

Will Amorim do something different? get a tune? I do not know, but I am 99% certain that the vast majority of our players if played in a function team, system, tactical set up, would have energy, effort, desire, work rate etc...

In any job irrespective of the effort put in, performance will be negatively impacted by poor procedures, practices, systems and ineffective management... (training, tactics, coaching)

People are very quick to blame players, if 1 or 2 players were guilty of poor attitude even for the entire time since Mou's 2nd season then that would be on them, but to suggest every player we have had in this period is just a bad apple is simply ridiculous, yet time and time again we see "players got another manager sacked" really!
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Because they are terrible at maintaining momentum in a game. The game management is poor, when they are under pressure they tend to buckle. There doesn't appear to be any strong leadership on the pitch. Too often they play well for 30 minutes and then entirely go to crap. They did similar last night, started well and then just lose intensity. If things aren't going well then game plan goes out the window and they start forcing things.They very clearly do not work hard enough as a collective.

Amorim needs to address this as a priority.
 
Solius said:
From what I've seen you need good balance, passing and vision for these roles. Ganracho doesn't really have good passing or an eye for a subtle pass. He's very much a pass and move footballer.
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I agree. I think Garnacho will be converted to our left sided wing back. The sporting fans on here have all confirmed that Amorim likes to use natural wingers for that role. Who else would play there? I doubt Rashford has the work-rate for it and is more likely to play as our starting striker in my opinion. Shaw is fit once a blue moon.
 
Sporting1906 said:
Regarding Gyökeres, it seems clear to me that he will leave at the end of the year. For my club’s success, I hope he doesn’t leave in January. It seems there's an agreement with management that he can go at the end of the season for around €80 million if a big club shows interest. In my view, the Swedish player is the best player in the history of the Portuguese league. I’m 36 years old and have seen a few players come and go here.

When Rúben Amorim took over in 2020, Sporting was an extremely disorganized club. We had incidents of player assaults in 2018 that left deep scars on the club, which was highly politicized and divided into factions. Adding to that, the football team lacked direction, and financial difficulties didn’t help either.
That said, understand this: Rúben Amorim will ALWAYS play in a 3-4-3 formation. He has never once changed this strategy. At most, he tweaks the team dynamics, and it may often look like the team is playing a 4-4-2, but the foundation remains 3-4-3. This is non-negotiable.

As for how long it took him to implement this structure, I think this evolution can be viewed as follows:

Rúben Amorim's first match with Sporting: Link to match;Currently, none of the players from that match are still on the team. Captain Coates (the center-back I mentioned earlier — not very technical, tall, but with strong leadership qualities) only left at the end of the season due to a family issue and had to return to Uruguay. He was our leader.

The following season, we were clearly underdogs, with many young players from the youth ranks. The most-used starting XI was as follows:

-------------------Adán-----------------------

Neto (Gonçalo Inácio)--------Coates--------Feddal

Pedro Porro João Palhinha João Mário Nuno Mendes

Nuno Santos Pedro Gonçalves

-----------------------Tiago Tomás---------------------

We were deserved champions, but we especially benefited from a very solid defense. We played with very low lines and scored just enough to win each game. This doesn’t take away from his merit, though; there was no money, he adapted, and led us through a historic season: champions after 19 years.

Then we had two seasons where we didn’t win much, but we laid the groundwork for last season. We generated revenue from several player sales and brought in good players.

Most-used lineup in the second season:

-------------------Adán-----------------------------------

Gonçalo Inácio----Coates-----Matheus Reis

Porro Palhinha(Ugarte) Matheus Nunes Nuno Santos

Sarabia Pedro Gonçalves

Paulinho

Most-used lineup in the third season:
--------------Adán-------------

Diomandé Coates Gonçalo Inácio

Porro (Esgaio) Ugarte Morita Nuno Santos (Matheus Reis)

Edwards Pedro Gonçalves

Paulinho

In short, last season we made only two key signings: Gyökeres and Hjulmand. But for instance, Geny Catamo emerged as well. He had been with us since the youth ranks but was never seen as an exciting prospect; at most, he was considered a player with potential for a career in the Portuguese First League. But he became one of the key players in the league. That's why I mention that Rúben is likely to bet on players no one expects, often in unconventional positions, to surprise everyone.


-----------------Adán (Israel)-------------------

Diomande (Quaresma) Coates Gonçalo Inácio

Geny Catamo Hjulmand Morita Nuno Santos (Matheus Reis)

Trincão (Edwards) Pedro Gonçalves (Paulinho)

Gyokeres

With these starting elevens, you can see the versatility in the positions players take on. And in this lineup, it’s not even clear how many times, for example, Pedro Gonçalves has also played in one of the midfield positions, or how Paulinho has played both on the right and left, as well as centrally. The players adapt to this 3-4-3 formation.

Finally, here’s a video of a Sporting training session to give you an idea of the intensity Rúben brings to daily practices. Watch the whole video if you’d like, but my point starts at minute 3:48, where you can see the intensity Sporting has whenever they lose the ball, the aggressiveness players are required to have in defensive transitions: lose the ball, then sprint back.
I can't put youtube videos but search for "INSIDE SPORTING | Agosto & Setembro"

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Thanks for this great post. Starting to get really excited by Amorim now (feeling burnt by ETH made me have a more reserved reaction to Amorim's appointment). Especially looking forward to us playing with intensity and finally move away from that dreadful 4-2-3-1 tactic.


Always had a soft spot for Sporting since Big Pete went there after United. Also enhanced by the signings we have made from them over the years, with Mad Marauder Rojo obviously being the best of the lot.
 
So are people more optimistic about him than all the other managers post SAF?
 
Chaky_Best said:
Hope he comes with a psychologist, a physio, a doctor, a surgeon and a fitness coach.

This team is damn broken and Amorim will have a LOT of work to do to repair what was broken.

I am still hoping to see the team play better football in a few weeks. If Emery did it when he arrived why not Amorim
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We never seem to hire fitness coaches and it baffles me. We're one of the most unfit teams in the league.
 
kidbob said:
Have a feeling he’ll love Amad in one of those inside forward positions and actually think he’ll be able to develop Garnacho nicely for the other.
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be interesting to see if he favours them in the forward roles or the wing-back roles

I have a feeling he'll try Garnacho as an interverted wing-back
 
romufc said:
Most of those in League 1 are "big clubs" by name rather than success like United have had.

Whereas United are a big club in numerous ways.. including history, fanbase, commercial value and success.
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Well sure if you move the goalposts to only include Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham we might be the most broken club in England. But there are plenty of teams more broken that would kill to be in our position.
 
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