Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

NLunited said:
Yes I know that. My point stands that the players did not perform well last year, especially not physically and mentally.

What they are good at though, is chaos, and the dysfunction on the field actually won us some games.
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Casemiro's play, and Rashford's efforts to secure a lucrative deal is probably what has us so high 2 years ago.
Casemiro's legs were gone and Rashford became a pensioner and suddenly we're 8th (with some luck)
Remove the element of luck and it's the dross we saw at the start of this season (Rash still a pensioner).

The team hasnt performed that well in over 2 years, but individual performances probably masked it a lot.

I still think there are some quality players in the squad btw - but also some glaring issues.
 
Bojan11 said:
Are these wing backs going to score too? Until we get a centre forward who can hold the ball up and more importantly score, we won’t offer any threat.
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Aggressive wing-backs can cause the opposition to drop deep, creating space on the sides of the opposing midfielders. Maybe they cannot score but create threat.
And it would be the most important two role in 3-5-2
 
NLunited said:
Think about what you are saying here. The players overperformed?!?

Without Ten Hag we probably would have finished lower than eighth.
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:lol: Without Ten Hag we'd have a far better squad.

Nobody over performed. The underlying numbers in the performances are there to see. They got lucky.
 
Rolaholic said:


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it must be pretty eye opening to walking into this supposed club of heritage, history and professionalism and you ask them to do the most basic shit and the 300k players just run around doing tricks, people leaking team sheets etc. He must feel like he entered bizzro world.
 
AltiUn said:
People can get frustrated with the results all they want but at the end of the day, is he actually saying anything different to what we have for the past however many years? He’s just as frustrated as we are and I’m glad he’s willing to call it out
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I see two differences:
1) He communicates his message much more smart.
2) He puts his money where his mouth is consistently. No one else has dared to touch poster boy Rashford.

If anything in further underlines how rotten the culture within the club has bern for too long. Rangnick, ETH and Amorim have told the same story about that.
 
Under Ten Hag every team looked like scoring at least 5 against us.
He was one lucky manager.. Highlights include a very narrow offside to save us from getting humiliating 3-0 to 3-4 against fecking Coventry, that 1-1 vs Brentford with Mount scoring where they tore us a new one and it could have been 5-1, losing 4-0 to Palace when it could and should have been another 7-0...

Amorim improves our defending and overall stability massively. We are lacking attacking threat but it's mainly because frustratingly 90% of our crosses from the wing hit the first man.
It's not like the strikers are late or early to the ball, the ball never arrives.

It's clear that we have great options in this formation when we play through the middle, with 1 CB always running in from behind, noticeably and most effectively Licha.

It's clear that defenders are the first to understand their roles and and positions in his system, when the attack starts clicking, we'll see exciting stuff.
Amorim is trying to coach Garnacho and Amad into being smarter players and it will happen. But the striker issue is a major one.
 
ETH got Ronaldo out. I don’t think this is true I think Ronaldo cleverly got out by doing that interview leaving the owners with zero choice.

If you are going to deal with player power and send a message to all players present and future you do it when you take the job. Amorim is 100% in charge and all them players know it. He’s laid down the gauntlet to Rashford now. Go to Saudi or take a pay cut but do get out because you are not going to play. It’s brave and it’s for the future of himself and the club.
 
That was brutal...and might I say unnecessary. I get that he is irritated by the persistent questioning on Rashford in every press conference, but that is why he gets paid the big bucks. This is part of the job and intense scrutiny comes with the territory. A manager has to be diplomatic too, not every occasion demands brutal honesty.
 
Steve 007 said:
ETH got Ronaldo out. I don’t think this is true I think Ronaldo cleverly got out by doing that interview leaving the owners with zero choice.

If you are going to deal with player power and send a message to all players present and future you do it when you take the job. Amorim is 100% in charge and all them players know it. He’s laid down the gauntlet to Rashford now. Go to Saudi or take a pay cut but do get out because you are not going to play. It’s brave and it’s for the future of himself and the club.
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All this is great but this only makes sense if we can actually sell Rashford or are willing to let him leave on a free. No one's really interested in him and he's struck with us. What's our plan B here?
 
I love the honesty but it’s starting to feel like he is trying to say something sensational every press conference. I am not a media person so not sure if it’s an effective media strategy.
 
soapythecat said:
Anyone else thinking we are starting to reduce the opposition to limited chances? Seems we have made ourselves tough to breakdown. Most of the goals we’ve conceded have come from errors. Set pieces aside, we are looking quite steady at the back. Fulham were made to look toothless tonight and aside from Southampton, the last handful of PL games we’ve made done this. We really need to become a more attacking unit because there is a style of play and a constant shape to us, just a huge lack of attacking quality.
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We've conceded 2 more goals than City and 3 more than Chelsea, with all the errors we've had this season.

But more crucially, we have scored 19 less goals than City and 15 less than Chelsea.

Clearly you can see where the problem is.
 
Why should the club or the manager care about Rashford's image, when he doesn't care to do his job. Let him care about his image.
 
I am just highly disappointed with how we have attacked and yesterday specially was brutal. The same was the case against Brighton where we hardly created anything. I was hoping by this time atleast we would have some pattern of plays. Yesterday reminded me of LVG time which I thought I would never see again.

I understand Amorim wants to keep playing this formation but why don’t he change the personnel. Don’t keep Playing Dalot and Maz at full backs and keep expecting the same results offensively. Have Amad as RWB and put Bruno as RAM, Maino as part of double pivot.

We can also try be more attacking and have Amad and Garnacho as part of Wing backs, have Zhirkee and Bruno as 10s and Hojlund as number 9.

I am so done with having 5 defenders and two midfielders. We basically play with 3 attackers only and it shows. What the formation requires is two top level wingbacks, in order for us to be attackingly competent, we may need Marcelo and Dani Alves only then I see this formation working for us. Realistically, whatever wingbacks we will sign would be very unique and will cost us arm and leg.

I think management has dropped the ball here. Maybe it would have been better to go for some other manager or kept Ruud and let Amorim or other manager take charge next season with his players and preseason. We have basically sabotaged the season. Looking at the performances we will not finish in the top half, which is embarrassing for any manutd team.
 
Fahad Jawaid said:
I am just highly disappointed with how we have attacked and yesterday specially was brutal. The same was the case against Brighton where we hardly created anything. I was hoping by this time atleast we would have some pattern of plays. Yesterday reminded me of LVG time which I thought I would never see again.

I understand Amorim wants to keep playing this formation but why don’t he change the personnel. Don’t keep Playing Dalot and Maz at full backs and keep expecting the same results offensively. Have Amad as RWB and put Bruno as RAM, Maino as part of double pivot.

We can also try be more attacking and have Amad and Garnacho as part of Wing backs, have Zhirkee and Bruno as 10s and Hojlund as number 9.

I am so done with having 5 defenders and two midfielders. We basically play with 3 attackers only and it shows. What the formation requires is two top level wingbacks, in order for us to be attackingly competent, we may need Marcelo and Dani Alves only then I see this formation working for us. Realistically, whatever wingbacks we will sign would be very unique and will cost us arm and leg.

I think management has dropped the ball here. Maybe it would have been better to go for some other manager or kept Ruud and let Amorim or other manager take charge next season with his players and preseason. We have basically sabotaged the season. Looking at the performances we will not finish in the top half, which is embarrassing for any manutd team.
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This season was sabotaged by not sacking ETH in June. Already by the end of September you could see that this season wilm be done in EPL. You see in recent seasons Arsenal and Chelsea had seasons when they finished in lower half and they are doing better now.
Just by default Man Utd doesn't finish in higher places, so maybe this season could be a catalyst to do a reset in many ways.
1. Letting the players know that wages are not only to be collected.
2. Not paying over the top for players that may end up useless (Antony biggest example)
3. Instilling a desire to win
 
I'm all for it

Rashford has had years to reign in his negativity and fix his poor attitude and this is the result
 
I cannot believe that fans have a problem with him calling out the bloody obvious and finally ending this terrible behavior by our so called superstars.

Fans want change so much but once we have a manager who goes all the way, they have a problem and get scared again. Really poor approach by some of our fans and it shows why so much crap has been accepted for too long
 
bringbackbebe said:
All this is great but this only makes sense if we can actually sell Rashford or are willing to let him leave on a free. No one's really interested in him and he's struck with us. What's our plan B here?
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Plan B is for him to take whatever offer is on the table at the end of the window, at the end of the day it's his choice he can waste the next 2/3 years of his career doing nothing or he can take what's on offer and get to play because it's clear unless he changes he won't be playing here anymore
 
Tallis said:
I love the honesty but it’s starting to feel like he is trying to say something sensational every press conference. I am not a media person so not sure if it’s an effective media strategy.
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It works for Trump!
 
Gavinb33 said:
Plan B is for him to take whatever offer is on the table at the end of the window, at the end of the day it's his choice he can waste the next 2/3 years of his career doing nothing or he can take what's on offer and get to play because it's clear unless he changes he won't be playing here anymore
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The problem is, there IS NO OFFER on the table!
 
alexthelion said:
They should, but it's comparing a team against a collection of different types of players from three?, four? managers with different playing styles.
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Because Forest have been a bastion of stable managers recently??
 
bringbackbebe said:
All this is great but this only makes sense if we can actually sell Rashford or are willing to let him leave on a free. No one's really interested in him and he's struck with us. What's our plan B here?
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What's Rashford's plan B? Is it his intention to just sit out his contract rather than change his ways? He doesn't seem to care much about being a footballer any more, so maybe he's happy not playing and picking up his obscene wages, regardless of what his PR people say about wanting a new challenge. If he does actually see himself moving to another top club, the longer he's frozen out and not playing, the less chance there is of that. Ultimately, it's his career going down the toilet right now. The club's on the hook for his wages either way, so letting him continue to stink up the team and make it like starting every game with ten men seems counterproductive.
 
Tallis said:
I love the honesty but it’s starting to feel like he is trying to say something sensational every press conference. I am not a media person so not sure if it’s an effective media strategy.
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I don't think he is saying things to be sensational at every press conference. He is allowing his message to go out there based on his feelings. He is finally changing the media approach with the club. Klopp and Pep did this brilliantly. When they came in, they openly spoke about the problems they are facing and their approach. The media understood what those two are saying, and gave them a longer leash because they liked the 'openness' and the ability to relate the how the manager is feeling.

There is more sympathy for Amorim from the media than there ever was for Ten Hag. Now, there are more journos saying that he needs time, he hasn't had trainings, he is a systems coach etc. These are all plants from him in the press over various conferences. If this was a less open manager, he would defend his players to the point of being rigid (like Ten Hag), or act delusional like LVG - and the press would get on him right away and say he should be fired, he is out of his depth, Man Utd is a step too far etc. The latter will still be said (its the nature of click bait journalism) but the "sensible thing" for everyone will be to back him.

The question then only remains if Amorim will have the ability to make this team a better unit, because he isn't getting much help from the board anytime soon with our PSR situation.
 
Escobar said:
I cannot believe that fans have a problem with him calling out the bloody obvious and finally ending this terrible behavior by our so called superstars.

Fans want change so much but once we have a manager who goes all the way, they have a problem and get scared again. Really poor approach by some of our fans and it shows why so much crap has been accepted for too long
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Alternative view. He can believe this and not talk about in public.

I made the point like last week that we often heap unnecessary pressure on ourselves and invite high levels of scrutiny for no reason.

Assuming Rashford is sold this week and a replacement comes in at some point over the next 6 months. That new player is gonna be under intense pressure early doors otherwise the "Rashford was dropped for less than this" will start very quickly. The other side of this is that in the unlikely event that he does come back, they will both be slated unless he's delivering Ronaldo 2008 style numbers.

Amorim is saying a lot of the right things but the media in this country are very different to Portugal. He needs to be smarter. The story today should be about a hard fought win at a potentially difficult away ground backed by thousands of passionate reds. Instead, he's given this saga more oxygen and it will dominate the press until transfer deadline day. In addition, teams will know we're a) desperate to sell him so his value will drop and b) desperate for a replacement so the value of even average players will go up by 10-15%.
 
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Maagge said:
I thought Mazraoui found himself in more attacking positions today than usual, but it's still obvious we're far away from getting the numbers forward we need. We simply don't get enough attacking width from our wing backs currently. At least not quickly enough.
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Yes, today Maz played as a cut in WB..
Garnacho hugged the line to suit his best skill set..
But two WB shall need to reinforce..after this step..then we will see something from this formation..
Rather than that, our team cannot be improvement significantly and suddenly..
 
Bojan11 said:
Are these wing backs going to score too? Until we get a centre forward who can hold the ball up and more importantly score, we won’t offer any threat.
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No CF can score goals in this team as it is. The ball has to get into the box way more than it currently does.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
Alternative view. He can believe this and not talk about in public.

I made the point like last week that we often heap unnecessary pressure on ourselves and invite high levels of scrutiny for no reason.

Assuming Rashford is sold this week and a replacement comes in at some point over the next 6 months. That new player is gonna be intense pressure early doors otherwise the "Rashford was dropped for less than this" will start very quickly. The other side of this is that in the unlikely event that he does come back, they will both be slated unless he's delivering Ronaldo 2008 style numbers.

Amorim is saying a lot of the right things but the media in this country are very different to Portugal. He needs to be smarter. The story today should be about a hard fought win at a potentially difficult away ground backed by thousands of passionate reds. Instead, he's given this saga more oxygen and it will dominate the press until transfer deadline day. In addition, teams will know we're a) desperate to sell him so his value will drop and b) desperate for a replacement so the value of even average players will go up by 10-15%.
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Why not? Fergie was always very outspoken and calling players out if they were out of line. About time this club changes
 
bringbackbebe said:
All this is great but this only makes sense if we can actually sell Rashford or are willing to let him leave on a free. No one's really interested in him and he's struck with us. What's our plan B here?
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Well, I don't know if you can call it a Plan B, but what happens if we aren't able to either sell or loan him before the window closes seems clear enough as far as Amorim is concerned: either Rashford gets his shit together – or he won't be in the match-day squad.

So, it's up to Rashford, then.

(And no – I don't think this will necessarily turn into a massive problem. Not as long as Amorim is backed by his employers. Rashford doesn't have a lot of power in this situation beyond the – well – power of doing a Bale or something along those lines. Which would be both pathetic and annoying to behold – but what can you do? Amorim has made it very clear what he expects. He can't back down on that now – and I'm sure he won't.)
 
Rangnick haters must already despise Amorim. :lol:

Very glad he isn't sugarcoating this. Call the shitters out.
 
Escobar said:
Why not? Fergie was always very outspoken and calling players out if they were out of line. About time this club changes
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Completely agree!

And he has obviously spoken to him privately but nothing has changed. He went public with comments about Garnacho and Rashford, and one of them heard the message and obviously improved and put in the effort. And is back in the team.

KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
The story today should be about a hard fought win at a potentially difficult away ground backed by thousands of passionate reds. Instead, he's given this saga more oxygen and it will dominate the press until transfer deadline day.
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This wasn't his opening statement at the press conference – it was a reply to a question.

And if he kept it private, then that wouldn't stop the questions – and a response of "we are dealing with it internally", or not commenting would only increase speculation and certianly not end the saga.
 
He's had weeks to knuckle down and put the required effort into training, if he isn't doing that then he deserves all the public criticism he receives.

We already knew he'd jog about on matchday saving his effort for when he wanted to attack. It seems clear now that he's been doing the same in training.
 
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