Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

romufc said:
A poster claimed that it is unfair to have expectations from our young players like Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund, Yoro and I replied saying, if you want to play for Manchester United week in week out, regardless of age, you have to deal with the pressure and expectations.

My point then was if they dont want those pressures, United isnt the right club for them.
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Exactly. The class of 92 managed, as did Rooney, Ronaldo and many more. You either develop the elite mentality needed through hardwork or you feck off elsewhere.
 
simonhch said:
1. Pablo Barrios (At. Madrid). This kid (yes he's only 21) is an absolute monster. He'll cost 50m+ but he'll be money well spent. If you do both the eye test and the stat/data test, you can see how superb he really is. Excelling in both the defensive and progressive elements of the game. He would be an addition that could be at the heart of our midfield for the best part of a decade, and is already good enough to deliver now. He'd be my top target.

4. Douglas Luiz. Out of favour at Juve but Premier League proven and a very solid, high quality, deep lying midfield playmaker, who excels in the defensive phase of the game. Doesn't quite have the legs of the other three, but he makes up for that in his positioning and reading of the game. He's also no slouch, and knows how to put in a hard tackle. He's good with the ball, and I think could be gotten for a very good price. He's still only 26, and would improve us immediately.

5. Matheus Nunes. Yes I took this one straight from The Athletic. But it makes a lot of sense. If we can navigate around the whole "he plays for City" thing (they've sold to rivals recently), he could be a sleeper hit for us. He was phenomenal for Sporting under Amorim, in a midfield two, alongside.....you guessed it......Manuel Ugarte. He was so good in that role in fact, Pep called him maybe the best midfielder in the world. Things have gone sour for him at City because they don't know where and how to play him, but as midfield two, he has so many qualities, not least ball carrying. And before anyone says we'd be too open, that defies actual demonstrated history where his defensive stats at Sporting, alongside Ugarte in the 4-3-2-1 were excellent. The main issue is bringing in a player who is obviously low on confidence, to a club that is bereft of belief. But there is an opportunity there.
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Not the only one you took straight from there. They also suggested Douglas Luiz and Pablo Barrios.

 
lsd said:
It was very poor and he was clearly given a bollicking from higher up.
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If that was the case, then we will stay in this mess for a long time.

This team need a shock and they got it, if they cant take it..well they can move on.
 
Bobby_2024 said:
If that was the case, then we will stay in this mess for a long time.

This team need a shock and they got it, if they cant take it..well they can move on.
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People keep saying this but it's absolute nonsense. Even if we weren't skint, we'd start next season with 75% of this season's players.
 
romufc said:
A poster claimed that it is unfair to have expectations from our young players like Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund, Yoro and I replied saying, if you want to play for Manchester United week in week out, regardless of age, you have to deal with the pressure and expectations.

My point then was if they dont want those pressures, United isnt the right club for them.
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That’s not what I said.
 
Cessna said:
I am not sure if Amorim has the experience to adapt a play style to the players.
I am pretty sure he was not appointed to do that.
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You can't seriously tell me we hired him without this being discussed
 
hellhunter said:
People keep saying this but it's absolute nonsense. Even if we weren't skint, we'd start next season with 75% of this season's players.
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It's hilarious how people constantly underestimate how difficult it is to do a squad overhaul unless you pull off the Chelsea or Man City model with loads of cash available. We don't have that.
 
Berbaclass said:
Care to elaborate?
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I used to think that Matheus Nunes could have been a good signing, when he was at Sporting. What he has done, since coming to England, hasn't been convincing at all. Douglas Luiz would only make sense, if he was a bargain, considering how his Juventus spell has gone so far. Plus, there are a number of players that I'd prefer.
 
The speed at which the club backed him to bin the big names I'm sure he was hired for a cultural revolution as much as tactics or formations. The best players need formations to shine, ours seem to need them to do the basics on 200,000pw. Don't think people actually knew what that long fabled clear out was going to look like. It's here and they want us to hold on so we can go back to getting Rashford and Garnacho their one breakaway goal per month.
 
Fair enough he's had succes with 3421.

But does that mean he will never play another formation in his career? Quite extreme.
 
hellhunter said:
While I agree this inflexibility is weird, it's not that uncommon that a manager would play 4-2-3-1 wherever he goes
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Which is a statistically far more proven and succesful formation, more acquainted with most (top) footballers and probably for a reason.

But I guess you make a point.
 
pascell said:
Bollocking for what exactly?
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Look I totally support him over the players but it was crystal clear he had been given a dressing down over what he said about being the worst team.

He was completely on the back foot during the press conference
 
I worry the media are going to break him. The pre-match for Rangers it constantly felt like they were trying to catch him out, fecking vultures.
 
JJ12 said:
You can't seriously tell me we hired him without this being discussed
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I'm am pretty sure he would have said he's doing things his way, his system.

I am also pretty sure that's what we would have wanted.
 
You can probably tell I fully support Amorim from my username, but I think there was no need to come out and justify or clarify anything to the press. Just double down and say "how can anyone possibly disagree that this is the worst Man United teams of recent years - look the table, goals scored, goal difference etc. - it is up to the players to prove me wrong."

This is generally an issue with a lot of honest people. They assume that other people are honest too. Those are vultures in the media room, Amorim, and they are waiting to put the knife in.
 
Toblerone92 said:
Exactly. The class of 92 managed, as did Rooney, Ronaldo and many more. You either develop the elite mentality needed through hardwork or you feck off elsewhere.
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I’m sure Fergie said those exact same words to Giggs, Scholes, Becks, Ron and Rooney behind closed doors. All the while watching over them like a KGB agent and keeping them away from media and away from night clubs to protect them from their weak mentalities.
 
343 said:
You can probably tell I fully support Amorim from my username, but I think there was no need to come out and justify or clarify anything to the press. Just double down and say "how can anyone possibly disagree that this is the worst Man United teams of recent years - look the table, goals scored, goal difference etc. - it is up to the players to prove me wrong."

This is generally an issue with a lot of honest people. They assume that other people are honest too. Those are vultures in the media room, Amorim, and they are waiting to put the knife in.
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I don't think he backtracked. He never meant it like that. I thought I was slow reading everyone take it a certain way because it was always clear he was very clearly talking about the collective vis a vis his managerial performance. He started and finished with his record and his insistence on his formation. 'We are the worst, me included'.
 
343 said:
You can probably tell I fully support Amorim from my username, but I think there was no need to come out and justify or clarify anything to the press. Just double down and say "how can anyone possibly disagree that this is the worst Man United teams of recent years - look the table, goals scored, goal difference etc. - it is up to the players to prove me wrong."

This is generally an issue with a lot of honest people. They assume that other people are honest too. Those are vultures in the media room, Amorim, and they are waiting to put the knife in.
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Well, maybe so. Still, it’s important to remember that when you talk at a press conference, you are talking to several different people at once. You are talking to the tabloid vultures just looking for an angle to bite. At the same time you’re talking to a few senior journalist whom you know might write something to buy you a few weeks extra time if you help them see what’s really going on. Simultaneously you are talking to thousands of fans who might back you in the stadium at 0-1 down to Sot’on or slaughter you on SoMe while your insecure and narcissist players gulp it down. And you’re also talking to your insecure and narcissistic players and to the people who will meet them at the butchers, in the street, or in their home, either pestering them with despondent looks and questions or bigging them up like they just scored a hat trick vs Brighton really, or at lest would have if the gaffer only didn’t cramp your style.

It’s neigh on impossible to hit the sweet spots or even avvoid crashing like a bull in a china shop into some of these needs at a press conference. The smartest thing might well be to be measuredly honest while trying to make a show of protecting your players as individuals while maybe also lighting the torch under their arses as a group.

Solskjær did this part of the job impressingly well, Van Gaal too in his idisyncratic way. Mou always draws the attention away from the players and onto himself, until he imploded in paranoid personal attacks on 19 year old kids no holds barred. Ten Hag did boringly well for a very long time.

What they all find out, though, is none of it matters a dingo’s kidney if the team loses a few too many games, at which everyone will just tag along with the vultures regardless. That breaks everyone after a while.
 
meninred said:
Here is an ideal lineup for the 'famous' Amorim 3 4 2 1 formation that can be used as a model or reference.
you can judge on how much the drop in quality is with the current squad.


schmeichael


stam ferdinand vidic


valencia roy keane carrick ashley young


scholes rooney


van pierse
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Swap Van der Sar for Schmeichel and Ruud for Van Persie and you'd have an even better team.
 
lsd said:
It was very poor and he was clearly given a bollicking from higher up.
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Not sure if he got heat from higher ups, but when journalists pressured him, he started apologizing and saying "I am young manager and I make mistakes"

I must admit, I hated that. You are not a toddler, you are Manchester United head coach. You made a decision - do not apologize for it. Has anybody ever seen Sir Alex apologize for anything? He has made ton of mistakes, but never an apology. Gotta be in charge, right or wrong - it is part of the f..ing job. And before anybody starts "it was a different time" - no it wasn't. When has anybody ever seen Pep apologize for anything?

Everybody makes mistakes, and it is not even a fact that Ruben was wrong. We are f..ing bottom of the league, if you said we are horrible, stop apologizing
 
Proper mental it's Jan 23rd and haven't improved the squad.

Should be getting 2 in if no one of use leaves.

3 in minimum if Garnacho leaves. Clocks ticking.

Manager needs to be backed
 
NewbieRed said:
I'm at the point where I think it was a mistake to hire Amorim. He is so wedded to a particular system, and our current squad is so unsuited to it, that we're going to have to take several steps back before we begin to move forward. Everyone wants to see the dead wood moved on from the squad, but Amorim is thinking of selling the few bright sparks, like Garnacho. I've no doubt Amorim is a good manager, but it will take such massive surgery to the squad to make his system work that we should have chosen someone else. It's an indictment of Wilcox and the directors that they didn't foresee this.

A team of Onana; Mazraoui, Yoro, De Ligt, Dalot; Ugarte, Mainoo; Mount, Bruno, Garnacho; Hojlund is good enough for top 4, in my opinion, with the right manager. We should have found that manager and built on the squad we have instead of appointing an ideologue who can only do things one way and needs to rip everything up. The frustration is we're not even at square one yet. We need to take several steps back towards square one before starting to move forward again.

By the time we have a squad that can play Amorim's system, what's to say that system will still work? Football is evolving all the time. I can't think of a truly great manager who was inflexible about systems. We've appointed an interesting manager who's a bad fit for the club.

I can only see two likely scenarios: he takes three years or so to build the squad he wants, but eventually delivers success; or he spends a couple of years chopping and changing the squad, but never has a team he's really happy with, and he leaves without having had any success, and leaves us with a worse squad than he inherited. The second scenario is more likely, it seems to me.
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Football doesn't evolve every 2-3 years or Pep would be fossilized by now.
 
My concern is that in leaving it this late for any outgoings to occur we've left ourselves in a position in to have to negotiate incoming transfers with less than one week remaining. This lack of time will leave us a lot weaker in negotiations since the selling club(s) will know that we're heavily pressed for time and therefore are more likely to capitulate to heightened demands.
 
DJ_21 said:
He’s not the one moaning though? And why would he reject the opportunity of a lifetime?
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He would reject the opportunity because he would know he was set up to fail. He would know from even casually catching some of our recent games under ETH that these players do not fit the profiles of players he needs (not wants) for his system. Without 6-8 new players (GK, LWB, RWB, CB, AM, LW, CF), stat, that go straight into the first team, he's not getting us anywhere near the CL places. If we are okay with finishing mid table, should have just bought those player for Ten Hag.
 
The Mitcher said:
Only on the caf could Amorim cracking be deemed as some kind of hairdryer treatment win. When the club needs a cool head to guide us through the tough times he's having tantrums in the dressing room.
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No he’s not. He’s showing the players who’s boss and how unacceptable it is to be playing so poorly at home in front of all our fans. It’s only like in any other job, if you do bad then your manager most likely grills you. How’s he cracking up when it’s the first time he’s been annoyed since being here? He’s probably the most calmest manager in the league as you can tell in his press conferences.
 
DJ_21 said:
No he’s not. He’s showing the players who’s boss and how unacceptable it is to be playing so poorly at home in front of all our fans. It’s only like in any other job, if you do bad then your manager most likely grills you. How’s he cracking up when it’s the first time he’s been annoyed since being here? He’s probably the most calmest manager in the league as you can tell in his press conferences.
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The problem is he’s now walked back those statements and said it was a mistake. I don’t think that’s a good look at all for a new manager. It shows weakness.

I really like the guy, I think he seems like a genuinely good person who is trying his absolute best under incredibly challenging circumstances, but ultimately I think he’s starting to show he’s a bit out of his depth here. Which probably isn’t actually a surprise, as he says so himself he’s a very young manager with relatively little experience.

The whole situation is just a very sorry mess. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if, privately, he had regrets about taking the job. Nor would I blame him.
 
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