Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
shocking.... a Portuguese coach losing his temper
Fair play to Mr Menace haha. Happy to see a journalist has put some credibility to the story.
It makes me love him even more
Oh, it's so cute that redcafe posters actually worry about our players's mental health after Amorim gave them a good bollocking.
Those poor, fragile multimillionaires, who get shitloads of cash every week to kick around a ball and run a little.
How dare their boss raise his voice at them, he should be sent to court!
Justice for Rashy, Garnachy, Casy, Onani, Rasmushy, Zirky, Diogy and company. How dare he scream at them, the poor souls!
Imagine one of them crying in the corner, wiping his tears with his weekly wage, breaks my heart.
Ole installed the "we're friends" mentality, ETH evolved it to "oh well, we go again".
It's about time someone put them in their places. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Seriously, wtf. When people see clips of Guardiola screaming his lungs off in the dressing room, they go "Oh, what a coach, goat!". When Amorim finally loses it, people go "oh, I'm so worried about the players, they'll feel so bad now".
Get a grip. If somebody won't give 100% and won't fight for every moment of every game, he can feck right off. We need players who step on the pitch with the attitude "my life depends on this".
Those poor, fragile multimillionaires, who get shitloads of cash every week to kick around a ball and run a little.
How dare their boss raise his voice at them, he should be sent to court!
Justice for Rashy, Garnachy, Casy, Onani, Rasmushy, Zirky, Diogy and company. How dare he scream at them, the poor souls!
Imagine one of them crying in the corner, wiping his tears with his weekly wage, breaks my heart.
Ole installed the "we're friends" mentality, ETH evolved it to "oh well, we go again".
It's about time someone put them in their places. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Seriously, wtf. When people see clips of Guardiola screaming his lungs off in the dressing room, they go "Oh, what a coach, goat!". When Amorim finally loses it, people go "oh, I'm so worried about the players, they'll feel so bad now".
Get a grip. If somebody won't give 100% and won't fight for every moment of every game, he can feck right off. We need players who step on the pitch with the attitude "my life depends on this".
Mods, can we have a poll on who we think cried during Amorims tirade?
Tbh. Arteta did adapt initially, ironically to a 343 with Bellerin and Maitland Niles as wingbacks. Arsenal went onto win the FA Cup.
But tbh, he should've been sacked in his first full season regardless of what's happened since. Which is still nothing more than what Wenger was doing considering the money Artetas spent
played for a portuguese coach myself....those feckers have the irish temper in them and lose it quickly
nothing wrong with it at all as the players need an ass chewing of Fergie proportions
Moments like these makes me miss Special1 TV. Ohh the potential.
My manager!
Comes in lets it been known mediocrity won’t be accepted and shows the door to the usual suspects who have stunk this club out for years
Smashes the changing room to bits when there’s overpaid underperforming clowns can’t put 2 passes together or understand their position on the pitch
feck the lot of them he needs backing to get the players in for the system, I’ve never felt so disconnected with a squad of players in my 30 years following the club
Comes in lets it been known mediocrity won’t be accepted and shows the door to the usual suspects who have stunk this club out for years
Smashes the changing room to bits when there’s overpaid underperforming clowns can’t put 2 passes together or understand their position on the pitch
feck the lot of them he needs backing to get the players in for the system, I’ve never felt so disconnected with a squad of players in my 30 years following the club
I think it was after the draw with Liverpool that he said that he needs to calm himself before going to the dressing room because it made him mad that we couldn't play like that every week. Looks like he didn't wait this time. I think it's a good thing for the club. We have way too many subpar players. Either they improve their physical and mental conditioning, or they leave.
I forgot about that - I can't imagine the stress he's under
Don't blame him. Some of these players aren't fit to wear the shirt and might get him the sack if they continue!
He’s not going to succeed here. That’s no slight on his ability either.
The majority of this current squad can’t handle the truth and can’t handle the graft needed.
He’ll be sacrificed long before he has even 11 players he can count on. Currently he barely has 3 out of 25.
The majority of this current squad can’t handle the truth and can’t handle the graft needed.
He’ll be sacrificed long before he has even 11 players he can count on. Currently he barely has 3 out of 25.
So surprising to hear this from an Arsenal fan.
Your club spent years out of the CL and now you are consistently in it. The money that Arteta spent was required to get to this level, especially considering the fact that your main rivals are a cheating club (City) managed by the second best manager of all time (Guardiola).
As for Wenger, he was not in the CL places towards the end anymore was he?
I like Amorim, I am a very optimistic person, and I don't see him being successful due to the players we have. I don't see any manager, unfortunately.
Surely all Mazraoui has to do is track his runner, and it couldn't have hurt for Dalot to track his, either.
It comes down to being switched-on and it comes down to more time on the training pitch. That ball travelled 50-yards, Zirzkee has to do more to force the passer to rush and Mazraoui has to be more alive.
Also, the CBs knowing when to jump and the WBs knowing when to track is on them. Elite defenders have an instinct, even if they're not taught. I can sympathise a little, since at the moment, they're likely struggling a little from information overload...but ultimately...Mazraoui watched Mitoma drift off him and was surprised by the quality of the pass. Had that been TAA on the ball and Salah behind him, he'd have took no chances and been 100% focused. I believe that's what Amorim is talking about. That attitude. "Oh its only Brighton, oh its only Baleba, he want won't make the pass...oh its only Mitoma, he won't make the perfect first touch...oh its only Mitoma, I'll catch him...oh...it's OK, he'll fluff the shot...oh sh*t"
People keep taking as if this system has fundamental weaknesses, which I don't buy, since amongst other things it's utilised by the current German and Portuguese champions and we looked so solid against Liverpool, Arsenal and City.
It comes down to the players going into games against teams like Brighton, Southampton and Newcastle and playing as if their opponent is Salah, or Saka, or Cole Palmer. Not taking lazy risks and ambling about the pitch.
Yeah, but he also had Edu in the background just getting rid of the crap and overpaid shite. TBH I thought they were ok for a while, but the last 2 years I don't know how Arsenal fans can put up with the crap football. It's tumescent shite, worse than Newcastle.
Utd are at a stage now, the crap and overpaid shite just needs to go, we've been saying it for years, but it just gets pushed to one side and more comes in on top of it. Amorim needs the support in the background to get it done and get the players in.
Otherwise we'll be back in the same place in 18 months, with a new head coach and the same crap as the last number of years.
He's fighting for his chance. Which means he's done his homework and saw how his predecessors failed in the end, hence repeating that it's better to suffer in the beginning rather than to have it all end in tears because he caved in under pressure and abandoned his principles. It also seems that INEOS, by putting everyone up for sale, are willing to offer him a fair crack of the whip to prove himself. We'll see.
Agree with all that (I wasn't a fan of Ole at all, but in hindsight he was the one coach to get a somewhat consistent tune out of Rashford - however, I think he was also complicit in creating the player-power ambience that still hinders us to this day.)
For me, there is a lot to be hopeful about in what Amorim is doing. The only time I thought we looked absolutely abject (in the sense that it reminded me of the lowest points under Ole, Ragnick, and ETH) was the first half of Newcastle, and even then he showed that he could switch things up to somewhat change the flow of the game (if Casemiro and Hojlund hadn't missed absolute sitters, we could've been right back in it.)
If you coddle these players and expect them to turn up you will be sacked. They will not show up consistently, and are not afraid to let it ride until they get the next manager. Amorim knows this and has drawn a line in the sand.
I expect a big clear out in the summer.
I expect a big clear out in the summer.
Bruno or Garnacho 100%
It was constant under the previous managers also. When Ruben was first appointed one of my main hopes was for the team to finally cut down on the individual errors and lapses in concentration. What we see now is easier said than done.
Maz does track his runner, he's just not fast enough. What more can he realistically do, he's not dropped deeper than his defensive line, Mitoma is just faster than him?
Agreed re press - if you don't press you invite those balls all day long but if the CB doesn't step out, the angle of their recovery favours them vs Mitoma. Aomrim doesn't seem to want us to press, on that goal forward line has dropped just in front of the half way line, we seemed happy to give them space. If you watch the back line it is almost comical the more you pay attention to where the players are. A single long ball over the top and a bit of pace kills us. This vid should start just before the ball bounces. Look at the state of that back line - De Ligt is completely out of the game, Yoro is out of the game as he's coming back from being in midfield, Dalot was pushing to cover the run down our left and so is now too far away.
Every formation has pros and cons but it's not like top trumps, it depends on countless things. I think it's fair to say we are playing 3 CBs of which 2 will always be 'slow' in any combination but we are also playing a high defensive line without a press from the front. That combo seems like a really bad idea in my opinion.
Four of those six years out of the CL were under Artetas management. He's done well, especially for his first job as a manager but I do find some of the hype has been excessive.
Only in Wengers last season were we out of the CL.
Well you guys assembled a new board last year with experience at directing so I doubt Amorims without support.
Maybe a clearout is neccessary but you've had 2 or 3 "resets" since Mourinho left.
Imo on United, it honestly seems all of your managers have just been bad. Ole was probably the best one; good socially man manager I think but lacked tactical acumen.
He seem to take particular offense with the players not following instructions late on against Brighton.
I was numb to the game as it's become the norm now, so I couldn't see any huge differences to the positions/tactic late on compared to the start of the match.
But I feel that would have been the spark that made him erupt on them afterwards.
Also I forget was the Brighton game the match where he met Sir Jim for a quick chat?
I was numb to the game as it's become the norm now, so I couldn't see any huge differences to the positions/tactic late on compared to the start of the match.
But I feel that would have been the spark that made him erupt on them afterwards.
Also I forget was the Brighton game the match where he met Sir Jim for a quick chat?
Southampton. He said the meeting was easier, as they won
If you see the play from the start, there was good press from the right side that forced the ball to Brighton's right-sided centre-back. Bruno was going to continue the press but looked over and Dalot was nowhere to be found to help with the press. He dropped back and the team started retreating. De Ligt stepped forward to track Pedro, which made the long ball an easy option for them. Dalot was also nowhere to be found again for Minteh's tap-in.
But shouldn't Ruben be at the till with jim stood behind him with his arms crossed and a look of " You broke it, you pay for it "!
Like I said, I think Mazraoui is "cheating" there...he wants to run forward, he's aware of Mitoma behind him...doesn't think Baleba will be able to make the pass...if he does...he assumes he will have the pace to recover and then...bam...goal.
Subtle...but that's my interpretation. I'm not saying Mazraoui was being outright lazy, I think he was being complacent, and I think that, given an opportunity, all of our players are consistently complacent, and that's why we suffer. We weren't complacent against Liverpool, Arsenal or City, and look at the difference. Same formation. Same players. Look at Zirkzee. Sort of closes down Baleba, with "sort of" being the key phrase. "I'll trot over here, pretend to press, he'll knock it sideways, job done". No. Not good enough. Amad is the only player in our team who seems to really enjoy pressing. I don't get it. I absolutely loved it personally, playing DMC, running about like a dog, snapping at heels, hoping to force a misplaced pass or get a toe on one to break-up play. You have to want it as much as you want to have the ball, if not more.
We're talking about formations but it's one long straight-ish ball over the top. You shouldn't be getting caught like that.
I disagree with this. It’s not like we are 6th and need a kick up the ass to get back into form and into the top 4. And he didn’t single individuals out, he blamed everyone including himself because we are fecking 13th in the table.
The squad lacks hunger and humility, hunger because I don't see the desire to run that extra yard, make that extra run, push that extra bit on the pitch - if we look at our running stats. Humility where after loss after loss they console themselves in their bubble on social media. I know that football is more than just running hard and being humble but if you don't have the basics you are trying to build a castle on sand.
You want players with character. the minimum I expect is 100% effort and desire, pride to wear the shirt and desire to fight for it every minute on the pitch. Players like Darren Fletcher may not have set the world on fire but Ferguson knew what they brought to the game.
https://www.premierleague.com/news/326688
You want players with character. the minimum I expect is 100% effort and desire, pride to wear the shirt and desire to fight for it every minute on the pitch. Players like Darren Fletcher may not have set the world on fire but Ferguson knew what they brought to the game.
https://www.premierleague.com/news/326688
I doubt they will. He’s the guy INEOS have picked and he’s saying stuff that only managers who have the total backing of the board say.
Says something that he warned it would be a shit show early on but is losing it the dressing room like that. Don't think he understood the magnitude of the job here. I just hope the board keep their nerve and give him so God damn players where he needs them.
I’m totally okay with him trying this tactic, put a rocket the team -let’s hope it works. It’s a risky game though, it could backfire if they decide to “down tools” for the millionth time.
So already dressing room leaks?