Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Exactly, and even when we were playing a 442 with a midfield of Beckham Keane Scholes and Giggs, it wasn't uncommon for one of Scholes or Giggs to float behind the strikers and Beckham drift in centrally.
It was always a pretty fluid system with the arguable exception of 98/99 and 99/00 when we had the Cole/Yorke partnership in full force.
If true then good. I only want players at the club who respond positively to that level of expectation and that type of fear of failure. If you aren't the type of player who can be motivated by that then fine, but you should go play elsewhere and make room for someone who will be.
I also don't understand why many don't see this, Erik did everything correct up until his tactical choices in the beginning of the second season. As soon as that summer window came and Mount was identified as a primary target it was curtains.
This idea that adapting will lead to failure is nonsensical. Though I do understand Amorim's persistence in approach, it's naive of him to think it's a get out of jail free card. The silence around the hierarchy for me signifies that his job will be under threat if things don't drastically improve.
I have seen you over last few years constantly support ETH and constantly shout down anyone who opposed that view. I don't believe he successfully adapted as such, an insanely easy draw in a meaningless competition led to a trophy. He was pragmatic but in second season it was chaos, which ultimately was not that different to Ajax but he previously had a physically and technically far superior team compared to others. In the PL that was not the case. I am concerned though that Amorim wont adapt, even short term, and that is going to be his downfall. Is there a modern team with 3 CBs who has a won a major league or European trophy? Honest question would love to know. Simeone as I understand is pretty much 442 but is renowned for solid defense.
Can never keep up with he sources. Who is @UtdMenace
Crying 
Such obvious bullshite. In whose interest would it be to release that!?
Such obvious bullshite. In whose interest would it be to release that!?
Which is fine initially but when the detriment is relegation level football for 10 games there has to be adaptability and recognition that the squad isn't ready to do this just yet. Maybe we are just a couple wingback short, but right now we can't get success with the style.
He's backed himself in a corner though so hel have to make it work. What the club appears to be doing as well is panic buying full backs in January to rush this system into some sort of conditioning, and poorly allocating resources in doing so. Take Dorgu as an example he's available this summer and only a silly bid (40m Eur) tempts leece to let go in January.
Who knows.I just want it to be true.
We where 13th when he took over no? So if anything he is keeping us level. I will add that our games against Arsenal and Liverpool showed significant improvements.
I agree about Dorgu.
No McTomminay to provide goals that turn results around. Then also Hojlund scored just two league goals so far
Last year home losses:
BHA also 3-1
Bournemouth 3-0
Fulham 2-1
CP 1-0
No, he's not. We were something like 7pts off top 4 then and we are 14 points off it now. Our form in the last 6 has been bordering relegation. I shudder to think what it was over 10 games becuase he had a draw to Ipswich, a loss to arsenal and the city win before then.
Il add that force fitting a system now to these players not only risks surrendering any hope of a European spot, but it also risks misevaluating players. Take mainoo who I think can work, but currently looks poor because the team is disjointed and we have no wingback or striker who can operate with him.
So essentially you want us to go back to 4231, the same formation and tactics that got EtH sacked?
Then we’ll go through all this suffering again at the start of next season?
Well there had been far less games. Sticking with Ten Hag would not have meant we had suddenly been higher up the table. I also dont believe we would have beaten Arsenal at the Emirates by going back to square one.
In my opinion there has been a slow but clear progression in our way of playing with us controlling more games. But we still have a squad with players that are simply not up to snuff in the Premier League. Going 4 at the back is not suddenly going to make them better. We also have players who look much better now like Maguire.
Mainoo had a horrendous start to the season as well, so I doubt the system is the issue. Very young players will always have ups and downs.
European spot was gone by the end of September. Then it was evident that this season will be a bad one.
You think the system is making Mainoo lose the ball easily and be outmuscled and not making himself open enough to get the pass, not try to drive forward? Or he just needs to work on himself?
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The hopium might be at a new level if we are putting any credibility in things said by a fella called UtdMenace.
He has given them the hairdryer treatment.
About time.
Most of them need to take a good close look in the mirror.
Because they are seriously under performing and have been for ages.
And that includes him as well incidentally.
Good. It’s been long overdue.
Good, but I am not sure how effective are these things even if this is true. Surely, getting angry and flipping tables is not going to win us games. We need to improve tactically, mentally and physically to get better results. The solution to this will be found on the training pitch, not with dressing room drama.
Has been quite accurate for team/injury news.
This sound very uncredible but I want to believe. Standards have dropped for far too long
Hardly matters a bollocks, does it? If he wants any credibility, then he can put his neck out and put his name to these 'insights'. If he wasn't a chancer and had actual information to share, it would absolutely be in his interest to get his name out there.
But he is saying what people want to hear, and in the current media environment that is enough. Even if he slaps cringe gifs at the end of his shite.
Yeah it's basically play a game, rest and travel for another game. But if we finish in top 8 in EL there will be more rest between games during February at least.
You can't understand why he would want to remain anonymous?
I absolutely can. Can you understand why this undermines the credibility of anything he puts out?
I understand both sides.
Good stuff. On balance, I think it is wise to take what comes from such accounts with a heaping wheelbarrow of salt. Totally up to the reader to do what they want to do with it though.
Of course, but as I have said that particular account has been accurate on stuff before so it's interesting.
I cant see us getting anymore than a point from our 2 remaing League Phase games so I dont think we will get top 8
Ah right, grand. Your post along with the tweet read to me that you had taken it as fact that the manager lost it as the tweet stated. If I have misread the intention behind that, apologies.
We'll see. The way we've been playing you'd think any team can beat us but you'd still hope we win a game from time to time.
I wouls like to believe it
haha fair, that's very different.I wouls like to believe it
In order to demonstrate inherent bias and lack of reasonable fairness towards the alternative system, consider the following :-
1. When a manager, married to 4-at-the-back, and a career-long proponent of either 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, endures significant problems with the implementation of his system, please note that, whether from within media circles, or within fan circles, there is a distinct lack of suggestion that these career-long proponents of 4-at-the-back systems should perhaps be flexible enough to utilise a 3-at-the-back system.
Yet......
2. When a manager, married to 3-at-the-back, and a career proponent of either 3-4-2-1 or 3-4-3, endures significant problems with the implementation of his system, please note that, whether from media circles, or within fan circles, there is a distinctly favourable motivation to suggest that these career-long proponents of 3-at-the-back systems should perhaps be flexible enough to utilise a 4-at-the-back system.
It's blatantly hypocritical and fans should definitely be aware of the way in which they disproportionately treat both examples above. How is the 3-at-the-back proponent infliexible for not shifting to 4-at-the-back, but the 4-at-the-back is not inflexible for not shifting to 3-at-the-back. It smacks of double-standards.
You will never see fans calling for a failing 4-at-the-back system to adopt a wing-back approach, but the reverse scenario is almost always likely expected.
And if you think this doesn't colour how much patience your give each of the above examples, then you're kidding yourself.
1. When a manager, married to 4-at-the-back, and a career-long proponent of either 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, endures significant problems with the implementation of his system, please note that, whether from within media circles, or within fan circles, there is a distinct lack of suggestion that these career-long proponents of 4-at-the-back systems should perhaps be flexible enough to utilise a 3-at-the-back system.
Yet......
2. When a manager, married to 3-at-the-back, and a career proponent of either 3-4-2-1 or 3-4-3, endures significant problems with the implementation of his system, please note that, whether from media circles, or within fan circles, there is a distinctly favourable motivation to suggest that these career-long proponents of 3-at-the-back systems should perhaps be flexible enough to utilise a 4-at-the-back system.
It's blatantly hypocritical and fans should definitely be aware of the way in which they disproportionately treat both examples above. How is the 3-at-the-back proponent infliexible for not shifting to 4-at-the-back, but the 4-at-the-back is not inflexible for not shifting to 3-at-the-back. It smacks of double-standards.
You will never see fans calling for a failing 4-at-the-back system to adopt a wing-back approach, but the reverse scenario is almost always likely expected.
And if you think this doesn't colour how much patience your give each of the above examples, then you're kidding yourself.