Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Fooza said:
I'd like to know where you rate our attack, midfield, defence and goalkeeper separately in terms of pl position level? I fear a lot think because they individually international players and wearing a united badge they are automatically better then a lot of pl teams

Today, I'd rather have Brightons team over us anyday, and game by game I tend to want the opposition team over ours.
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Our defense is probably 4-6 level
Our midfield is mid table level mainly because we lack any sort of depth and really only Ugarte and Bruno (both flawed players) are at a top 4-6 standard

Our attack is genuinely bottom third level. Amad is brilliant and the rest would hardly start for majority of prem teams.

Goals get results ultimately when performances aren’t great, and we have 0 way of getting goals apart from Amad or Bruno magic. It’s the same issue I brought up when he was hired in that I was worried this would happen. It’s really tough to get results in a new system when you don’t have anything in attack to get results over the line.
 
He'sRaldo said:
We've got to understand that it will take a LOT of tries before we get a manager who can win the PL and CL.

The only way to accumulate those tries is by going through managers. Aka sacking them.

It's not a bad thing. It's how we got SAF. It's how Liverpool got Klopp, City got Pep, Madrid got Zidane, etc. You've got to sack the previous guy to get a better guy in.

Problem is we've been way too slow to get both players and managers out, and as a result our staff has slowly deteriorated over the years.
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Those managers succeeded because the club made sure they got the squad right for them. They backed their managers in the right way. It is not just throwing money at it like we do, it is making sure you bring the correct players in. If you have picked a system and manager that plays it, you have to give him the tools to work with.
 
Adisa said:
Are you guys not tired of firing coaches? How many coaches do we have to go through before you guys realise they aren't the problem?
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Are you not tired of changing players? How many players must we sign until you realise it's the managers aren't good enough.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Those managers succeeded because the club made sure they got the squad right for them. They backed their managers in the right way. It is not just throwing money at it like we do, it is making sure you bring the correct players in. If you have picked a system and manager that plays it, you have to give him the tools to work with.
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I agree, but it's a double-edged sword.

Back the wrong guy, and you could do years worth of damage to the club. See ETH and the mess his squad building has gotten us into.

We need to be more shrewd about who we back.

These are not CL winning managers we are bringing in. We have to be more cautious about spunking 100s of millions on their players with not enough prior evidence.
 
He'sRaldo said:
We have got to understand that it will take a LOT of tries before we get a manager who can win the PL and CL.

The only way to accumulate those tries is by going through managers. Aka sacking them.

It's not a bad thing. It's how we got SAF. It's how Liverpool got Klopp, City got Pep, Madrid got Zidane, etc. You've got to sack the previous guy to get a better guy in.

Problem is we've been way too slow to get both players and managers out, and as a result our staff has slowly deteriorated over the years.

That's one thing I'm hopeful of INEOS about. That they hopefully move quickly and are fairly ruthless with staff that is not up to standards. Although keeping ETH on this season was not a good sign.
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Except city had already won the title with Mancini and Pelegrini before Pep arrived?
 
DomesticTadpole said:
It was bound to in the end. The fans knew it was coming, just think the club had no idea it was coming.
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The same fans that were still jamming to the mantra "back the manager" after watching each manager piss away the clubs resources?
 
RedSky said:
Yup, too inconsistent for this level. No point having a keeper that can pull off some great saves one week but then make some horrific mistakes the next. They have to be consistent.
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I don’t know what the others feel. I am pretty angry after the game.
This is a very tight game and two teams neutralized each other. We did well in the first half after the early setback even though we were unable to gain any control. But, the team was calm, patient, and tried their best in this competition. Then, they scored the second. What an incapable goalkeeper!
The team didn’t give up and tried but again even worse gifting their third!
The whole team suffered in this way is unfair. We just waste the money on the wrong player.
 
Skills said:
The same fans that were still jamming to the mantra "back the manager" after watching each manager piss away the clubs resources?
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Think it is more how we spent the money. That really has to change, the decisions made have wasted so much money. There was too much of buying quick fix signings who were on big money and too old. You have to get the balance right, good young players but also players round 25 who are more established.
 
Pav1878 said:
Except city had already won the title with Mancini and Pelegrini before Pep arrived?
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Unfortunately City's owner's had higher standards in terms of playstyle, total domination of the PL, and Europe.

They did not think the previous managers could achieve it, hence even though they won the title they were let go.
 
city-puma said:
I don’t know what the others feel. I am pretty angry after the game.
This is a very tight game and two teams neutralized each other. We did well in the first half after the early setback even though we were unable to gain any control. But, the team was calm, patient, and tried their best in this competition. Then, they scored the second. What an incapable goalkeeper!
The team didn’t give up and tried but again even worse gifting their third!
The whole team suffered in this way is unfair. We just waste the money on the wrong player.
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When we went in level at HT I thought we would come out fighting and go on to win. The Onana happened.Twice.
 
Fooza said:
I'd like to know where you rate our attack, midfield, defence and goalkeeper separately in terms of pl position level with the right style that suits them? I fear a lot think because they individually international players and wearing a united badge they are automatically better then a lot of pl teams

Today, I'd rather have Brightons team over us anyday, and game by game I tend to want the opposition team over ours.
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TBF Brighton are a good team. Depending on the tactical setup I could see Mazraoui, Amad, maybe Ugarte, Zirkzee, Dalot, potentially Mainoo competing for places in their team. Whether starting, I don't know. Take the weight of United off of their shoulders and they probably perform better.

However, even when looking at our players we have take into account what we thought before signing them. This summer INEOS were lauded for the signings All of them technical players, with good physicality and pressing stats. Yet now, they are bums, which they are not. Rasmus and Zirkzee for example, you stick any striker that is not a Harry Kane level striker up top and isolated and they will struggle. Now that doesn't mean Zirkzee and Rasmus are good enough to start for a top 4 United team, but the way we play is making them look even worse. Take Mazraoui as well, raved as a fantastic signing, with the switch to wingback all of sudden he looks like a bang average fullback.
 
He'sRaldo said:
Unfortunately City's owner's had higher standards in terms of playstyle, total domination of the PL, and Europe.

They did not think the previous managers could achieve it, hence even though they won the title they were let go.
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Yes but your point was they only won the title because they sacked managers which isn’t the case as they had already won the title.
 
He’s walked into a shambles we all know. But the current form is of his own making. Out with the big system change that I can support, by freezing out certain squad players, he’s organically shrinking the squad so is reliant on the same players every game. The squad is actually now very small and these players look out on their feet whilst some other fellas are sat in their tracksuits watching on fresh as daisies. It’s such a risky tactic unless you’ve got other bodies to fill the gaps that we simply don’t have.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Our defense is probably 4-6 level
Our midfield is mid table level mainly because we lack any sort of depth and really only Ugarte and Bruno (both flawed players) are at a top 4-6 standard

Our attack is genuinely bottom third level. Amad is brilliant and the rest would hardly start for majority of prem teams.

Goals get results ultimately when performances aren’t great, and we have 0 way of getting goals apart from Amad or Bruno magic. It’s the same issue I brought up when he was hired in that I was worried this would happen. It’s really tough to get results in a new system when you don’t have anything in attack to get results over the line.
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While I agree with offence statement thinking those defenders are top 4-6 is deluded, Leny Yoro suppose to be the second coming and he looks like he’s not the elite rapid young CB we thought we were signing, MDL and Maguire as much as I rate them both simply don’t have the pace for the PL and Martinez is in decline , we have no capable wing backs and Mazraoui used rooey as a utility Defender is probably when not overplayed the only defender who merits a position in a top 4 squad!

Teams like Forrest, Palace, Bournemouth have much better defenders than us right now and that’s a fact. If United were run properly we would pick off all of these teams best players;

We should be looking at E Martinez, M Gheui,
J Branthwaite, A Nouri, M Cunha,
B Mbeuemo, M Gibbs White, M Rogers,

PL proven players to improve the Team most of our players clearly can’t handle the PL.
the only player we should risk is V Gyokeres or V Osimhen as an experienced number 9.

We should sell the following players;
L Martinez, A Onana, V Lindelof, T Malacia, Casemiro, C Eriksen, R Hojlund, J Zirkzee,
M Rashford, Antony,

Mason Mount and Luke shaw need to prove they can be Man United players by the end of the season or they can go to.

The problem with MDL and Maguire in a back three that they both have no pace. We really do still need an elite young CB.
 
VivaRonaldo85 said:
He’s walked into a shambles we all know. But the current form is of his own making. Out with the big system change that I can support, by freezing out certain squad players, he’s organically shrinking the squad so is reliant on the same players every game now. The squad is actually now very small and these players look out on their feet whilst some other fellas are sat in their tracksuits fresh as daisies. It’s such a risky process unless you’ve got other bodies to fill the gaps that we simply don’t have.
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Exactly our coach has no PL experience and it will find him out eventually!
 
I am still unsure about the manager and like a lot of people are strongly in the camp that its the players and the system both which are the problem. Its fairly obvious, if you have a great system and you are exploiting other teams every match creating chances for fun, just not putting them away, then you can blame the players (about not being clinical). However, in our case, we do not even create any chances, the system stifles creativity. We have only three players in the team capable of creating something, all the others players are defensive players.

If you compare the 3-5-2 to 4-2-3-1, the obvious difference is you have four attackers as compared to three. But one important distinction that people fail to account for sometimes, in four at the back, fullbacks are there to support wide attackers i.e. putting in crosses and do overlaps if possible, but they are not the main source of creativity. In this 3-5-2 formation, full backs are expected to provide width and also be the main source of creativity out wide, which are full backs will never be able to perform. Because mainly they are not great one on one, plus their dribbling, pace is only average at best, so can not do Walker like kick and run style either.

I believe this system would work with fullbacks which are mainly wingers with good defensive ability i.e. Davies, Amad, Reece James, Fringpong is also a good shout. Mainly those wingbacks who are great one on one. That is also the reason why i believe we need a LWB pronto along with another number 10 this window, to allow Amad to be RWB, this way we will have at least five attacking players, instead of three which are just overcrowded and we end of creating square root of feck all.

The manager has to take some blame for this, try different formations or use different players for Eg. Use Garnacho or Amad as wingbacks and Antony/Mainoo as one of the 10, Put Casemiro with Ugarte (they were working fine under Ruud). But change something. We can not keep using the same formation with same flaws and expect different results.
 
Woziak said:
While I agree with offence statement thinking those defenders are top 4-6 is deluded, Leny Yoro suppose to be the second coming and he looks like he’s not the elite rapid young CB we thought we were signing, MDL and Maguire as much as I rate them both simply don’t have the pace for the PL and Martinez is in decline , we have no capable wing backs and Mazraoui used rooey as a utility Defender is probably when not overplayed the only defender who merits a position in a top 4 squad!

Teams like Forrest, Palace, Bournemouth have much better defenders than us right now and that’s a fact. If United were run properly we would pick off all of these teams best players;

We should be looking at E Martinez, M Gheui,
J Branthwaite, A Nouri, M Cunha,
B Mbeuemo, M Gibbs White, M Rogers,

PL proven players to improve the Team most of our players clearly can’t handle the PL.
the only player we should risk is V Gyokeres or V Osimhen as an experienced number 9.

We should sell the following players;
L Martinez, A Onana, V Lindelof, T Malacia, Casemiro, C Eriksen, R Hojlund, J Zirkzee,
M Rashford, Antony,

Mason Mount and Luke shaw need to prove they can be Man United players by the end of the season or they can go to.

The problem with MDL and Maguire in a back three that they both have no pace. We really do still need an elite young CB.
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I think you’re being harsh on Yoro as we’ve seen glimpses of brilliance for a 19 year old playing a very tough position in this system. But in general yeah I feel like I was generous with my ratings. I could see a world where we get a European spot with the current defense.
 
Skills said:
The same fans that were still jamming to the mantra "back the manager" after watching each manager piss away the clubs resources?
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You're right that faith shouldn't be blind but right now can anyone make a solid case against him? If we know ETH was a fraud then how can we already turn on Amorim for not maximising the same sham of a squad ETH built?
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Why has Amorim got so much money in the bank with people saying I will back him even if we get relegated? He has won the Portuguese league twice, and has been a manager for like what? about 5 years. It's not like he won the Champions league with Sporting.
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Because ;
1) His previous team played modern and attacking football with trophies on top of that
2) He brings new ideas which i personally like (sick to death of 4231 system)
3) For winning PL you need system and style which dominates because you need 85+ points. Amorim decided to do that or fail. He is not interested in compromises.
Solskjaer and Erik adapted and set their goal just to not be sacked. Playing defensive, sitting back and grinding wins will get you exactly that. 4th or 5th place regulary.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
When we went in level at HT I thought we would come out fighting and go on to win. The Onana happened.Twice.
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That’s my feeling as well. But credit to Brighton that they came into the second half with changes, we again tried to figure out how. Then, Onana. I don’t understand why we let our young goalkeepers leave to sign Onana. I don’t blame Onana but those decided to sign him.
 
3rd December 2024

‘Ruben Amorim says the "storm will come" for his Manchester United team as he refuses to be carried away by an unbeaten start.

“We are going to have difficult moments and we will be found out in some games, I know that. I would like to say different things, but I have to say again, the storm will come."

Well, it’s stormy as feck and we’ve been found out more often than not. I back the guy but Christ he has a job on his hands.
 
Toshey said:
If anything, last season is the proof that formation has nothing to do with our performances.
Maybe the FA cup win clouds your minds, but 95% of our performances since the League cup final have been dreadful, pathetic, embarrassing and sometimes average.
And we didn't play 3 at the back then.


Onana is overhyped donkey.
Mainoo, Garnacho are wildly inconsistent, providing 3 bad performances for every good one.
Bruno is erratic and weird. When it's his day it's great, when not - he looks like Darron Gibson.
Harry might be mentally resilient, but moments like his dreadful header today actually decide games.
Zirkzee seems to be good at moving the ball and holding on to it. His shots however get blocked all the time.
Hojlund is headless chicken.

Actually, I can go on, but I won't.

How many of our players walk into ANY top 6 team? Two? Three?
How many players from top 6 INSTANTLY get into our first 11?

Ask yourselves these questions and maybe you'll stop trying to discard Amorim.
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Absolutely none of our players get into any other top side, zero.

The fact that the year is 2025 and Maguire is still here, and starting, and Bruno is still "our best player" tells you all you need to know about the absolute state of our squad.
 
Woziak said:
While I agree with offence statement thinking those defenders are top 4-6 is deluded, Leny Yoro suppose to be the second coming and he looks like he’s not the elite rapid young CB we thought we were signing, MDL and Maguire as much as I rate them both simply don’t have the pace for the PL and Martinez is in decline , we have no capable wing backs and Mazraoui used rooey as a utility Defender is probably when not overplayed the only defender who merits a position in a top 4 squad!

Teams like Forrest, Palace, Bournemouth have much better defenders than us right now and that’s a fact. If United were run properly we would pick off all of these teams best players;

We should be looking at E Martinez, M Gheui,
J Branthwaite, A Nouri, M Cunha,
B Mbeuemo, M Gibbs White, M Rogers,

PL proven players to improve the Team most of our players clearly can’t handle the PL.
the only player we should risk is V Gyokeres or V Osimhen as an experienced number 9.

We should sell the following players;
L Martinez, A Onana, V Lindelof, T Malacia, Casemiro, C Eriksen, R Hojlund, J Zirkzee,
M Rashford, Antony,

Mason Mount and Luke shaw need to prove they can be Man United players by the end of the season or they can go to.

The problem with MDL and Maguire in a back three that they both have no pace. We really do still need an elite young CB.
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The teams you mentioned that are better defensively from us didn't buy "PL proven" defenders, so why do we have to? These players are not born "PL proven", that whole "PL proven" thing is a nonsense. Yes, there may be less risk attached to a player you have seen do well in your league, but they could also flop like Alexis Sanchez, Raheem Sterling and countless others that have been good at one club and then trash at another.

Salah was a "PL flop" before Liverpool signed him and now he is one of the GOATs in the league. There are non-PL proven players that we were after like Caicedo that we should have purchased, but didn't and now they are "PL proven". We have made bad purchases but our scouts have often picked out some good talents that managers ignored and the fact that we have continually gotten it wrong is not to do with them not being from the PL but more that the decision makers have chosen bad players. Mount was "PL proven", Aguero wasn't. Mata was "PL proven", David Silva wasn't....etc.
 
Based purely on statistics, we average less than a goal a game with Dalot and Mazraoui as wing backs.

He knows that, he can see with his own eyes, and yet he keeps on picking them as wing backs when it's obvious they are not able to play the role.

If ETH was doing that, over and over again, he would be getting ripped apart for it.

Amorim has a job to do and he's not carrying it out because his only plan is that his system will just magically click.
 
LDUred said:
Based purely on statistics, we average less than a goal a game with Diogo Dalot and Mazraoui as wing backs.

He knows that, he can see with his own eyes, and yet he keeps on picking them as wing backs when it's obvious they are not able to play the role.

If ETH was doing that, over and over again, he would be getting ripped apart for it.

Amorim has a job to do and he's not carrying it out.
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His job is to build United back. We brought him in knowing this is his system. Why on earth would he change his entire system to accommodate shit players like Dalot? If his job was to get the best out the current squad, he’d have Rashford starting every game and our ceiling would be another top 4 cycle. Instead he’s actually imposing his system making it obvious where the upgrades are needed, who won’t fit it and who might.

This will take 2-3 years, but apparently his job is to get this shit squad up the table immediately? No. I’m glad we have someone looking at the bigger picture and being honest how long it will take. We’ve had far too many managers come in and improve these players, buy short term targets, finish top 4 and do no better. Time to look long term which will inevitably have short term pain. The manager has been clear about this “storm” from the start.
 
LDUred said:
Based purely on statistics, we average less than a goal a game with Dalot and Mazraoui as wing backs.

He knows that, he can see with his own eyes, and yet he keeps on picking them as wing backs when it's obvious they are not able to play the role.

If ETH was doing that, over and over again, he would be getting ripped apart for it.

Amorim has a job to do and he's not carrying it out because his only plan is that his system will just magically click.
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This. Why does he do it? Lack of options perhaps but he could do Amad as a wingback and Garnacho as a 10
 
Fooza said:
Well you having a laugh if you think these players are good, they are exactly the quality of the pl position we're in.

Football is actually quite simple , you bring in QUALITY players and have a good team to make a manager succeed. This team is rotten because of years of utter rubbish recruitment and it's finally showing, it just so happens Amorim is that manager that has to manage them
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So how did alot of these players finish 3rd two seasons ago and some finished 2nd under Ole?

People only blame the players because it's more comforting
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Because ;
1) His previous team played modern and attacking football with trophies on top of that
2) He brings new ideas which i personally like (sick to death of 4231 system)
3) For winning PL you need system and style which dominates because you need 85+ points. Amorim decided to do that or fail. He is not interested in compromises.
Solskjaer and Erik adapted and set their goal just to not be sacked. Playing defensive, sitting back and grinding wins will get you exactly that. 4th or 5th place regulary.
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I don’t think it's unreasonable to be pragmatic until Amorim has bought a few players suitable to play his system, eg proper wingbacks. No wonder we are struggling for goals.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Absolutely none of our players get into any other top side, zero.

The fact that the year is 2025 and Maguire is still here, and starting, and Bruno is still "our best player" tells you all you need to know about the absolute state of our squad.
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Rangnick said we need open heart surgery.

Then, we got Ten Hag and we allowed him to perform open heart surgery. We got about 12 new players, spending over 600 million pounds.

And as a result, now we are at the bottom half of the league.

So, now we need again open heart surgery and 12 new players. And these new players should suit a completely different system, 3-4-3. And we have no idea if we are going to hire a 3-4-3 manager again in the future, if Amorim fails.

Do we have 600 million to spend? Is it wise to do so? Are we certain that we will not end up even lower than before?
 
MO_Football92 said:
So how did alot of these players finish 3rd two seasons ago and some finished 2nd under Ole?

People only blame the players because it's more comforting
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Well maybe because we've had a huge drop in quality over the years?

This is just our strikers/attack (stolen from the other thread), plus add the massive drop off of Rashford this season and last, Sancho leaves, Greenwood leaving that helped Ole get second.

20/21: Cavani, Martial, Rashford, Ighalo, Greenwood
21/22: Ronaldo, Cavani, Martial, Rashford, Greenwood
22/23: Ronaldo, Martial, Rashford, Greenwood, Weghorst
23/24: Martial, Hojlund, Rashford
24/25: Hojlund, Zirkzee, Rashford

Nice try though, if you think it isn't the players, then go see the squad decline over the years. We used to think the Pogba years were bad and needed improving, that squad over ours currently is way way way better.
 
Fooza said:
Well maybe because we've had a huge drop in quality over the years?

This is just our attack (stolen from the other thread), plus add the massive drop of Rashford this season and last, Sancho leaves, Greenwood leaving that helped Ole get second.

20/21: Cavani, Martial, Rashford, Ighalo, Greenwood
21/22: Ronaldo, Cavani, Martial, Rashford, Greenwood
22/23: Ronaldo, Martial, Rashford, Greenwood, Weghorst
23/24: Martial, Hojlund, Rashford
24/25: Hojlund, Zirkzee, Rashford

Nice try though, if you think it isn't the players, then go see the squad decline over the years
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:drool::drool:
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
That doesn’t change the fact that he should be achieving more with the squad he has at his disposal.
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Should he? I think that's on INEOS. He was never going to move away from his system, the hierarchy would have known this. We do not have the players for his system, so why hire him unless you are going to bring in appropriate players. We don't have a single wing-back for a system that is heavily reliant on them.
 
Woziak said:
Exactly our coach has no PL experience and it will find him out eventually!
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The manager of the club sitting at the top of the league had no PL experience 6 months ago.

I'm not saying Amorim is definitely the man for the job, but experience in a particular league isnt the be all and end all for a manager.

The trouble is the amount of shite players we've let the last few managers spend a billion on.
 
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