Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach | Locked during matches

While I don't want him to get sacked I think there has to be a conversation soon as it's clear the players we have now cannot pay his system and we will just keep getting worse.

Therefore we need a lot of new players either transfers or promoting youth to try and make this work.

Can we afford this? and if we can't it's it with keeping him with these players?
 
The Mitcher said:
The point is lost and he looks like he's losing it and throwing the players under the bus.
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He's protected them enough, You still want these players to be protected because they're precious? aww their feelings going to get hurt? Diddums
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
But we aren’t getting a squad overhaul. The paint is still wet on a few of these players who are part of the last overhaul. Knowing this, we needed to find a manager who could work with the tools he had, maybe get 1 or 2 reinforcements each window. Amorim is 8 players short.
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I think the fact here is - any manager who wants to play front foot progressive football, even Ten Hag himself, would be 8 players short because all of our senior defenders are so one paced, the full backs so lacking in any form of offensive quality and the forward line is just mediocre.

This is not just about meeting Amorim's specific needs but our inability to compete physically and technically. You need to be able to keep the ball under pressure, can we? You need to be able to circulate the ball quickly and accurately so as to unsettle teams, can we? When games are tight you need to take your chances, can we?

Before Amorim this team and the one before it failed at these basics. If they could do the basics we wouldn't need 8 players. So short of hiring Ole or Mourinho who could play the sit deep and break tactics, every manager we hire will need guarantees that this squad will be overhauled. We might as well overhaul it with Amorim given the fact that by May he will have an intimate knowledge of the squad and what needs to come immediately.
The Mitcher said:
How did the players throw him under the bus? So would you rather nothing happen if the manager doing his job is pointless? He's come in mid-season, part of a manager's job is to get players on his side and this is the case outside of sport as it is in sport. It's basic management. Saying they are the worst Man United team ever when they aren't is terrible man management when he's supposed to be really good at that. I don't see how you can say the need to be treated like adults yet are perfectly fine with our MANAGER saying childish comments like that in PUBLIC.
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I think he is trying to jolt them, to extract a response from them if they have any semblance of professional pride left in them that statement ought to sting. They don't deserve any coddling or protection when they collectively and individually shit the bed and cost the team points due to schoolboy errors.
 
The Mitcher said:
The point is lost and he looks like he's losing it and throwing the players under the bus.
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Not to me. He repeatedly said it was difficult for the players to adapt to the style of play he wanted of them.

Give one example where he threw a single player under the bus?
 
I don't believe this narrative that all players are shit and they don't suit any formation.

Is the below formation bad ? Bad enough to be on bottom half ?

----------------Zirkzee-------------
Garnacho- Bruno ----Amad
--------Ugarte ---Eriksen ----------
Dalot- De Ligt- Yoro - Mazroui

Something is wrong and it's not just the players.
 
Lentwood said:
Whilst I agree to a certain extent, it doesn't seem to matter than Mazraoui is at wing back or Dalot is on the wrong side against teams like Liverpool or Arsenal...or that we have made changes.

Again, its very simple for me. When we have to play on the front foot, we are appalling. Our fowards are young and inexperienced, or lack the quality needed.

Under Jose, we looked good and finished 2nd when we played conservative football. Under OGS, we looked good and finished 2nd when we played conservative football. Both times, the wheels fell off when we tried to be more progressive.

I go back to my point...and I don't know the answer by the way...is it better to stick dogmatically to a system and hope it clicks...or is it better to bunker down and accept our 60-70pts ceiling playing like a "normal" team, and pursuing 'evolution' not 'revolution'.
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In my opinion, the PL is better now - certainly than it was in Mourinho's time and possibly since Ole. There are lots of good sides who'll want to play on the front foot - Brentford, Brighton, Bournemouth come to mind, plus the usual "bigger" clubs. We need to be able to match sides in attack, and that's the issue for me - the attacking players aren't good enough, and opposition coaches can see that.

The club made a decision to bring in a coach who plays a certain way and has had success with it. He needs to be given the tools to do the job.

I don't think "revolution" is possible - because the players aren't good enough and it'll take three or four transfer windows to sort that out.
 
The Mitcher said:
The point is lost and he looks like he's losing it and throwing the players under the bus.
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That's my feeling too.

I don't know if Amorim is a great coach or not. But part of managing a top team is public relations, ie. knowing what to say to reporters and the public and how to build the image of a prestigious club. So far, it seems to me that Amorim cannot handle that.
 
bond19821982 said:
I don't believe this narrative that all players are shit and they don't suit any formation.

Is the below formation bad ? Bad enough to be on bottom half ?

----------------Zirkzee-------------
Garnacho- Bruno ----Amad
--------Ugarte ---Eriksen ----------
Dalot- De Ligt- Yoro - Mazroui

Something is wrong and it's not just the players.
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Yes, Ugarte already doing running to cover for Mainoo, to do it for Erikson would be worse. many times this season 3 CB's have covered goal saving opportunities.

Last season in that formation we were very bad relying MC Tominay's goals tompaoer over the cracks. He's not here anymore and the cracks are visible. They are the players.
 
The Mitcher said:
The point is lost and he looks like he's losing it and throwing the players under the bus.
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He is clearly taking a risk. Lot of players are overpayed and many have big egos. If they feel that their ego is taking beating they will react. In bad way. We have seen how they have put down tools when it comes to our previous managers. Not that they are exactly performing. Amorim wouldn't be the first one.

It is not hard to get that point. He is talking about collective and not individuals. It is all about how players take it and how strong support he got from those above. People that have lot to learn about football and leadership. One thing is for sure. Ground is shaking. Pressure is on.
 
bond19821982 said:
I don't believe this narrative that all players are shit and they don't suit any formation.

Is the below formation bad ? Bad enough to be on bottom half ?

----------------Zirkzee-------------
Garnacho- Bruno ----Amad
--------Ugarte ---Eriksen ----------
Dalot- De Ligt- Yoro - Mazroui

Something is wrong and it's not just the players.
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It’s still not a very good team, in no time you’d be complaining Eriksen can’t run and full backs can’t attack, or Yoro and Zirkzee aren’t good enough.
 
bond19821982 said:
I don't believe this narrative that all players are shit and they don't suit any formation.

Is the below formation bad ? Bad enough to be on bottom half ?

----------------Zirkzee-------------
Garnacho- Bruno ----Amad
--------Ugarte ---Eriksen ----------
Dalot- De Ligt- Yoro - Mazroui

Something is wrong and it's not just the players.
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That formation could easily become-

Onana
Maz - de Ligt - Yoro
Amad - Ugarte - Eriksen - Dalot
Bruno - Garnacho
Zirkzee
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I'm afraid it's not the formation.
 
Bring a 3-4-3 manager and not back him for 3-4-3 formation.
Our board is brainless...
 
TheGame said:
He’s shitting himself 3 months into the job. He needs to get a fecking grip of himself like he carries no responsibility for the poor results.
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Door swings both ways, if we're the worst United team in history, he's amongst the worst coaches.

Neither is true, of course.
 
You cannot make gold out of grey stone. He has an impossible task. He got shite forwards, maybe the worst we've had in 40 years. Zirzkzee wouldnt start for Everton or Fulham. We dont have a midfield and our defence is midtable. Onana is no better than the likes of Ramsdale. There are none of our players who would start for City or Liverpool. Maybe one for arsenal, maybe.

How can he compete against them?
 
I really thought he was more flexible and innovative with this 3 at the back formation. I wasn't expecting him to just play five defenders with the same players playing the same positions every game for 90 minutes. Mazraoui has been pitiful at wingback.

The most disheartening thing is that it will still be the same thing next game and the performance will still be as painful. No changes, no effort to find something that works. It looks like he has given up on the job already.
 
MinGin said:
Bring a 3-4-3 manager and not back him for 3-4-3 formation.
Our board is brainless...
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I don't know what Wilcox, Berrada and the other higher ups are doing, honestly speaking. A couple of wingback, a CM and another forward could help stabilize this team. Can't we search the loan market for a couple of players?
 
Ineos doomed the season from the moment they didn't sack Ten Hag after the Cup final. Forget what the fans wanted in the moment, that changes like underwear, the underlying metrics from last season were so astonishingly awful that they couldn't be disregarded or chalked up to injuries.

Total negligence to keep him in the job, and then to hand a manager with a clearly defined style, that he is fixated on, a squad entirely unsuited to it, only one way that was going to go.
 
Among all of this Liverpool are about to equal our 20. Already got friends messaging ‘20 times 20 times’ and ‘we're rolling round anfield with twenty’. It can’t get any worse
 
The Mitcher said:
The point is lost and he looks like he's losing it and throwing the players under the bus.
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Whether I agree with you or not, I at least appreciate your consistency here. Many of the fans who were attacking Rangnick for his comments about the squad are now praising Ruben for his, which strikes me as an incoherent set of views to hold.
 
I'm looking at the squad and I seriously think he needs at least 7 starters to make it work.

I don't see how the club can provide him with that.
 
The situation isn't ideal, but if we trust his vision and style of play—and clearly, we do, given we hired him despite the squad not fitting his approach—we should give him time. Our primary focus should be on restructuring the squad, moving on players who aren't contributing enough or are earning disproportionately high wages. This includes players like Rashford, Casemiro, Eriksen, and Antony.

That said, offloading these players won't be easy, and as a result, we might face difficult decisions, such as selling talents like Garnacho.

If Amorim leaves, he'll likely land another top club very quickly. The real issue over the last two months has been the devaluation of the players' stock, which has impacted the team's prospects significantly.
 
bond19821982 said:
I don't believe this narrative that all players are shit and they don't suit any formation.

Is the below formation bad ? Bad enough to be on bottom half ?

----------------Zirkzee-------------
Garnacho- Bruno ----Amad
--------Ugarte ---Eriksen ----------
Dalot- De Ligt- Yoro - Mazroui

Something is wrong and it's not just the players.
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Yes. There's 10 better first XIs in the PL than that.
 
TheGame said:
Funnily enough Erikson was actually playing well at the beginning of this season.
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He had a few good games, especially in the cups. But people would be up in arms if he was playing regularly. As ever he is now seeing his reputation enhanced by not playing, and the last time he started he was awful.
 
waza7111 said:
That formation could easily become-

Onana
Maz - de Ligt - Yoro
Amad - Ugarte - Eriksen - Dalot
Bruno - Garnacho
Zirkzee
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I'm afraid it's not the formation.
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That team as you put it has a lot more potential for goals than the team that was on the pitch today
 
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