Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

windsurfer said:
Some of us really need a perspective :
- Ten Hag is no more incharge of this team. So stop blaming someone who is not in the house. Amorim is the man leading this team for the last 10 games. The buck stops at him. Amorim is down there shouting instructions in the dug out, not Ten Hag.

- This whole freefall mentality needs to stop. No club has a divine right to win, but neither one has a divine right to say this season is a lost cause.This sort of narrative is absolutely mental that we cannot do anything with these players and it will be a bad season, it's a write off. If football was looked at like this by everyone, no team will ever fight for relegation. No team will ever fight for anything and fans will never go in the stadium. A bare minimum everyone who puts their hard earned money to buy tickets and watch the game needs to see fight,grit and effort for the shirt. And, currently the manager has been completely unable to do that.

- This isn't some FIFA game or Football Manager, sell everyone and buy new 11. A manager and his coaching staff has to be smart enough not only to use the hand given to them in the best way, but should also be able to improve the players at his disposal. I wonder what will people do , if United ever got a 2 transfer window ban. Will we just allow Amorim to go till league one , because we cannot buy players and the manager is incapable of improving anyone ?
- A manager change is done to improve the results and performance.At the end of the day, it is a results business. Amorim has neither got results , nor has he been able to stop the slide.The buck always stops with the manager. Right now, I believe we could have an academy manager incharge and he could have probably had better results. He just looks rabbit in headlights and the jump from Portoguese league to this league seems to big for him. There will be a time, when the lot of us need to decide, that the club is bigger than anyone else, including the manager.

For me, he is on borrowed time. Let's hope there is a turn around, but it looks unlikely sadly.
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I don't think there was any lack of effort today though. You can't see them dig deep against Southampton or with ten men against Arsenal and say the players aren't trying for the manager.

What I think is more likely is that the players have to think about what they are doing in every phase of play because they don't understand the system or know it well enough to play through instinct and muscle memory. Those split-second pauses on the ball mean you get picked off by the press and suddenly you're chasing your tail. In attack that delay is the difference between playing the pass to split the defence or too late and being caught offside.

This is why I think the back to basics stuff under Ruud was an improvement because its just simple football that the players can easily understand. Training when to press or drop in a wing back system having not played it before is much harder to do especially without a pre-season or much time on the training ground.
 
Heinzesight said:
This season is fecked so I’m all for seeing what he can do with a few additions, selling a few and a pre-season under his belt. I fear however that Jimmy Brexit will can him before Easter.
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This is my view, SJR is ridiculously impatient, by April RA would have had at least 19 PL games and if we have 35 points from 30 league matches, he’s gone even if he’s in the last 4 of the Fa Cup and Europa!

Someone( Berrada and Wilcox ) sit down with him and say less of the hyperbolic statements and we need 8/9 points minimum from the next 5 Pl games?

He needs to as he said win to win time ?
 
Big Ben Foster said:
The massive elephant in the room is the fact that we're broke, and even if we had the money, we're severely constrained by PSR. So we're in a tough spot.
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The idiots who handed out some of these ridiculous contracts should be stood in the middle of OT so everyone can throw something smelly at them.
 
windsurfer said:
Some of us really need a perspective :
- Ten Hag is no more incharge of this team. So stop blaming someone who is not in the house. Amorim is the man leading this team for the last 10 games. The buck stops at him. Amorim is down there shouting instructions in the dug out, not Ten Hag.

- This whole freefall mentality needs to stop. No club has a divine right to win, but neither one has a divine right to say this season is a lost cause.This sort of narrative is absolutely mental that we cannot do anything with these players and it will be a bad season, it's a write off. If football was looked at like this by everyone, no team will ever fight for relegation. No team will ever fight for anything and fans will never go in the stadium. A bare minimum everyone who puts their hard earned money to buy tickets and watch the game needs to see fight,grit and effort for the shirt. And, currently the manager has been completely unable to do that.

- This isn't some FIFA game or Football Manager, sell everyone and buy new 11. A manager and his coaching staff has to be smart enough not only to use the hand given to them in the best way, but should also be able to improve the players at his disposal. I wonder what will people do , if United ever got a 2 transfer window ban. Will we just allow Amorim to go till league one , because we cannot buy players and the manager is incapable of improving anyone ?
- A manager change is done to improve the results and performance.At the end of the day, it is a results business. Amorim has neither got results , nor has he been able to stop the slide.The buck always stops with the manager. Right now, I believe we could have an academy manager incharge and he could have probably had better results. He just looks rabbit in headlights and the jump from Portoguese league to this league seems to big for him. There will be a time, when the lot of us need to decide, that the club is bigger than anyone else, including the manager.

For me, he is on borrowed time. Let's hope there is a turn around, but it looks unlikely sadly.
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An essay summed up with this nonsense
 
Absolutely horrific start to his tenure. It's not all his fault, obviously, because the incompetence we've demonstrated here at club level is breathtakingly bad even by our standards.

The top and bottom of it is that he needs a huge rebuild (bigger than any other manager) to impose his style of play that worked for him in Portugal. The club state that they do not have the funds to facilitate this, so why the absolute feck did they bring him in in the first place? They could have brought in a cheaper manager and given him something to work with.

Just sell the club. We are an utter joke.
 
At least he’s honest about the current predicament, really needs to sort out the wingback positions and Mainoo in my opinion, also defenders need to step out more in the press, I think the first 45 minutes Brighton created nothing other than the goal which was a ball over the top which Maz was asleep over.

Second half was a disaster.
 
Each week is more depressing than the last. It's fecking January, watching United should come with a feckin heath warning
 
DomesticTadpole said:
The idiots who handed out some of these ridiculous contracts should be stood in the middle of OT so everyone can throw something smelly at them.
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How do we sign transformational players of the right age, skill level, and disposition to turn us into champions — without paying a lot for them? You think our scouts are going to find a hidden den of Messis somewhere in South America, or something? Like it or not we have to spend our way back to the top.
 
Berbaclass said:
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This is my point he’s not sticking to his philosophy which is an attacking compact 3421 he’s playing a defensive trying to nick games 1-0 system with a 5221 system, it just doesn’t work as it allows the opponents to dominate the ball and exploit the spaces left by the back 7 who don’t know how to defend as a compact unit!
 
Leftback99 said:
Yep. It didn't take a genius analyst to work out that keeping the same manager with such bad underlying numbers would continue to produce similar.

I said it pre-season. You will struggle to find many examples of teams jumping from bottom 3rd numbers to top 3rd without significantly improving the first XI - which we barely did.

The biggest problem was scoring goals and if anything they made the squad worse on that front by selling McTominay and only adding Zirkzee.
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Please slap me now as I am about to say, what sounds very much like a contributing excuse but......

I still feel we have never recovered from when the vast majority of our forward line being thrown onto the bonfire largely through events out of our control.

Ronaldo's "nuclear option" interview
Greenwood's domestic problems
Sancho turning out to be lacking discipline and professionalism not forgetting we bought Antony when we already had Sancho supposedly nailed on for that right inside forward position (Rashford being the inside left forward).

Remove those front three from the matchdat squad and you're left with Martial and Rashford..........enough said.

Not many teams would have been shorn of that number of strikers and not really received any sizeable transfer fee as compensation. Just a shame we spunked so much money on Hojlund when we should have got a proven striker.
 
Hughie77 said:
Bought that left back recently who's 17 going on 18 from South America. Leon his name is for small money, have that kid from Arsenal Martin may come in next season. But they have to buy a striker big time .
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I think Osimhen is gettable from Napoli due to politics there. He wont be cheap but he wont be the hundred odd million previously thought.
 
Hester_manc said:
I am talking about this: if they can't play well in a system they prefer, what makes you think they'll improve by switching to a system they don't prefer? It seems naive in my eyes.
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They won't improve by switching to a system they don't prefer. Right? Agreed?

Here's the thing, they were awful in a system they preferred. Agreed? So maybe it's the players that are the problem?

For me formation/system is less important than how you want to play. You/we want to play by pressing high and controlling possession. This group of players do not have the physical ability to press high. Nor the technical ability to control possession.

So for me wether it's amorim or another guy with a different formation/style, we need a squad overhaul which will take a long time.
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
How do we sign transformational players of the right age, skill level, and disposition to turn us into champions — without paying a lot for them? You think our scouts are going to find a hidden den of Messis somewhere in South America, or something? Like it or not we have to spend our way back to the top.
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I mean the likes of paying Ronaldo a fortune, when he is not up to PL, paying Casemiro a fortune for basically one season and thereon in his legs have gone. Don't get me started on Rashford. I don't mean signing kids as such, but who thought Hojlund should command that sort of fee. You would get more from a young Championship striker. Letting Ajax rip us off for Antony because ETH wanted him.
 
pocco said:
How else do you explain being rubbish under two completely different systems? At least we have some level of control these days, for what it’s worth, because we were getting dominated every week under ETH. We don’t have good possession and are pretty ineffective, but at least it’s something i suppose.
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I see it differently, we don’t have any control at all and even less of a style of play at the moment, to me we look far worse, but that’s definitely subjective and possibly a bit of emotion talking so I accept the push back on that.

My main point is that I don’t believe this set of players should be in a relegation battle, they’re seasoned internationals and should be achieving far more than they are, irrespective of the system. I think saying we don’t have the players for Amorim’s system is a poor excuse. The coaching staff need to get more out of the assets they have at their disposal, every single player looks on the decline.
 
mav_9me said:
They won't improve by switching to a system they don't prefer. Right? Agreed?

Here's the thing, they were awful in a system they preferred. Agreed? So maybe it's the players that are the problem?

For me formation/system is less important than how you want to play. You/we want to play by pressing high and controlling possession. This group of players do not have the physical ability to press high. Nor the technical ability to control possession.

So for me wether it's amorim or another guy with a different formation/style, we need a squad overhaul which will take a long time.
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But we aren’t getting a squad overhaul. The paint is still wet on a few of these players who are part of the last overhaul. Knowing this, we needed to find a manager who could work with the tools he had, maybe get 1 or 2 reinforcements each window. Amorim is 8 players short.
 
swooshboy said:
Nonsense. He was appointed with everyone knowing exactly which system he would be implementing.

And he has said he will not change his formation.

So his job is LITERALLY to use a specific formation.
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His boss should change his job description asap.
 
We've got a very poor squad, who don't fit the managers system.

We can't buy because we've wasted the money we could spend on utter dross.

Noone will take this utter dross off our hands.

The players won't or can't adapt to the system.

So this ends as follows... We back Amorin as much as is possible. We get in a few players to play his system but we will have to hold onto the majority of the dross. Becuase he hasn't been able to adapt the squad to suit his tactics, results will be poor, and in 12-18 months he will be sacked.

In comes the new man. He has ideas and a system. We won't have the cattle to play the new system so it's rinse and repeat time. A few in, none out of note as nobody wants them, and off we go again. Another 18 months... Another one sacked.
 
The Firestarter said:
He said this is the worst Man Utd team ever.
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It's obviously not as we've had teams get relegated within living memory as well as pre-war. I don't understand why he's coming out and saying comments like this when the team needs togetherness and a siege mentality to get out of the rut. I'm perfectly fine with him trying to implement the style of play and building a new culture, but how does this help?
 
DomesticTadpole said:
I mean the likes of paying Ronaldo a fortune, when he is not up to PL, paying Casemiro a fortune for basically one season and thereon in his legs have gone. Don't get me started on Rashford. I don't mean signing kids as such, but who thought Hojlund should command that sort of fee. You would get more from a young Championship striker. Letting Ajax rip us off for Antony because ETH wanted him.
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You’re right on all those. It was throwing a ton of money at a problem. Looking ahead, let’s say we identify a 24 yr old striker destroying league X : we will get fleeced, but it’s that or we don’t get him.
 
The Mitcher said:
It's obviously not as we've had teams get relegated within living memory as well as pre-war. I don't understand why he's coming out and saying comments like this when the team needs togetherness and a siege mentality to get out of the rut. I'm perfectly fine with him trying to implement the style of play and building a new culture, but how does this help?
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Idk he said quite a lot of weird stuff today. He said "he's not helping the players".
 
Ronaldo's Love Child said:
Please slap me now as I am about to say, what sounds very much like a contributing excuse but......

I still feel we have never recovered from when the vast majority of our forward line being thrown onto the bonfire largely through events out of our control.

Ronaldo's "nuclear option" interview
Greenwood's domestic problems
Sancho turning out to be lacking discipline and professionalism not forgetting we bought Antony when we already had Sancho supposedly nailed on for that right inside forward position (Rashford being the inside left forward).

Remove those front three from the matchdat squad and you're left with Martial and Rashford..........enough said.

Not many teams would have been shorn of that number of strikers and not really received any sizeable transfer fee as compensation. Just a shame we spunked so much money on Hojlund when we should have got a proven striker.
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We definitely didn't recover from it. A Rashford purple patch, (alongside getting very lucky at the other end) masked how poor our attack was.

Add to it that every attacker bought in that time has been a bust:
Antony £90m
Mount £60m
Hojlund £70m
Zirkzee £40m

£250m and our best XI arguably contains none of them and Martial and McTominay would be improvements.
 
The Mitcher said:
It's obviously not as we've had teams get relegated within living memory as well as pre-war. I don't understand why he's coming out and saying comments like this when the team needs togetherness and a siege mentality to get out of the rut. I'm perfectly fine with him trying to implement the style of play and building a new culture, but how does this help?
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What difference does it make? When the players get clapped and cheered by fans, they're still shit. When Ole came in and gave everyone a hug. The players soon returned to typerand threw him under the bus. Why do we keep saying they need this or that? The fecking idiots shouldn't need treating like children to get the best out of them, and they should be able to handle being called shit
 
Lash said:
My hope is it's a bit like my excuse for Ange last year. He's just getting the principles set and the he can be more flexible and pragmatic when everyone understands the core message/ principles.

Gives him a lot of rope though and we basically have to just expect bad results this season.
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Still to be rigid makes no sense to me in this day and age of football
 
He's probably not wrong. They may not be the worst ever united side, but its certainly the worst in my lifetime.

Knowing this bunch they'll down tools for him now. Most of the players can't take the slightest bit of criticism.
 
TheNewEra said:
Wing backs overlapping with the 2 behind the striker would be lethal if we get a top striker and wing backs.

It's a personnel issue not a "weird system" we have had shit standards and lazy players for too long.

We are changing from a counter attacking reactive team to one that can press and dominate. You won't get there in 3 months with little training and transfers.

We are 7 months into Berrada and co being in their posts.

RelRelax
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We would need to buy 4 wingbacks to be able to do that while competing with so many games.
Two wingers would be just as lethal with a top striker. Without changing to 5 at the back.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
What difference does it make? When the players get clapped and cheered by fans, they're still shit. When Ole came in and gave everyone a hug. The players soon returned to typerand threw him under the bus. Why do we keep saying they need this or that? The fecking idiots shouldn't need treating like children to get the best out of them, and they should be able to handle being called shit
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How did the players throw him under the bus? So would you rather nothing happen if the manager doing his job is pointless? He's come in mid-season, part of a manager's job is to get players on his side and this is the case outside of sport as it is in sport. It's basic management. Saying they are the worst Man United team ever when they aren't is terrible man management when he's supposed to be really good at that. I don't see how you can say the need to be treated like adults yet are perfectly fine with our MANAGER saying childish comments like that in PUBLIC.
 
Red00012 said:
Yes , a load of managers just “walk” 3 months in because they didn’t have an ideal start
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Do you think his comments today are befitting of somebody who genuinely wants to stick around? He's just gone and called his team the worst in PL history, in January with 4 months of the season to go. He's not wrong but I didn't expect him to say it.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
What difference does it make? When the players get clapped and cheered by fans, they're still shit. When Ole came in and gave everyone a hug. The players soon returned to typerand threw him under the bus. Why do we keep saying they need this or that? The fecking idiots shouldn't need treating like children to get the best out of them, and they should be able to handle being called shit
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This is an entirely different team to the one under Ole.

Ultimately, the club is broken. Probably cursed now...

Players/managers/staff come here and they seemingly forget how to do their jobs. The pressure gets to them and they freeze.

Amorim is going the same way now.
 
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