We do, really?
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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We do, really?
The analogy I'd use is that Ten Hag built a car that has no tires, a worn out engine, a leaky exhaust and then proceeded to set fire to the car, and now we've hired Amorim who came along carrying a jerry can full of fuel.
Like yeah, it's probably not what's needed to fix the car right now and might actually make it worse, but I can't help feel we should really just look to get a new fecking car.
Like yeah, it's probably not what's needed to fix the car right now and might actually make it worse, but I can't help feel we should really just look to get a new fecking car.
Be funny if we got rid of Garnacho and Mainoo to fund a 343 and then realize we could do with their profiles in a 433
He promised that he wouldn't sign any Sporting player this month.
Why will it piss off his squad? They were there when we lost 3-1 to Brighton at home. They know that wasn't good. He didn't call them shit, he said we gave a shit performance.I don't think its a joke because it's true
Imagine if we sack him without ever signing a player for him
The problem is it’s a specific system that needs certain players that we just don’t have the LWB being the most obvious issue but then the complete lack of goals in our forward line absolutely kills us
It’s just madness to hire a manager that plays a certain way then don’t try to back him
It’s amazing how much we seem to regress with each new manager in. Not even a bounce anymore. Losing is the norm now. The small bit of hope I had with Ineos turning our sorrow around has been shredded and I’ve come to the point I do not believe we can set a good structure in place in which managers and players can thrive.
I’ve been through a top team I support locally to go on a 10 year long dry spel but it was never this bad.
I’ve been through a top team I support locally to go on a 10 year long dry spel but it was never this bad.
I didn’t say we are getting relegated.
Shit performance is one thing, worst United team in history is another.
It's a bit like David Moyes was asked if United aspire to be like City and he agreed, which everyone knew was technically true but putting it out there was novice stuff from a manager.
Dont give a shit what happens to this manager or next but how people still this delusional about players we have in our squad... its not even regarding their quality, they are rotten leechers with zero fecks given and people still tolerating them, thinking they deserve contract extensions etc. I mean holy shit, how far it has to go before wipeout
You have to be pretty thick to think Amorim couldn’t do as “well” as the previous bloke if he’d happily play chaos no style shit ball where the players just had to go for it Willy nilly as there was no midfield and no control. That wasn’t a style that was capable of consistently achieving anything. We had a good year and a half of papering over the cracks crap, desperate management to keep someone in a job, and you’ve got people who would actually prefer to see that again because….we won a few more games?
You know things are bad when I don't expect us to win a home game against Brighton. Not at all surprised by the result. When we struggle at home V Southampton and lose 3-1 at home to Brighton... where the feck are the wins coming from?
I'm very underwhelmed by Amorim so far.
I'm very underwhelmed by Amorim so far.
It will but both are showing a concerning lack of positive attitude and development so I'm really not too bothered about losing both of them. No current United player should feel untouchable. They're all in a relegation fight so any credit they thought they had has vanished, in my book. A disgraceful bunch.Be funny if we got rid of Garnacho and Mainoo to fund a 343 and then realize we could do with their profiles in a 433
We really can’t get any worse; Amorim just said this is the worst United team in history then he shows that he can’t even collate the correct stats; He Said “We’ve won 2 PL games in 10!”
We’ve won 3 in 11 PL games, it was 3 in 10 before today so there’s no excuses for his error, if the coach doesn’t know that his team has collects 11 points from 11 pL games there’s no hope, maybe we have the worst Owners, the worst CEO and the worst coach in our history his words not mine!
Its on Ineos. Why bring him in in November if they aint going to back him in the winter window? I was expecting at least two in and at least 2 out permanently. Didnt Amorim ask them to get someone in by the 14th? Same old shit, Ineos=Glazers.
Yeah, the amount of people saying "Brighton" don't have better players than us is crazy. Thw majority of the team have been serving up scrap for 2 years straight. Genuine relegation stuff.
But I'm supposed to believe that Baleba, Mitoma, Minteh, Ayiri, Pedro and Co wouldn't get into our team?
Respectfully disagree, for him to say that so publicly, so early into his tenure, he must have strong backing from INEOS, Amorim isn’t stupid
That is the issue though isn't it?this set of players aren't capable enough of doing what he is asking,did he not say that after today's game?(or words to that effect)
I thought after Brighton scored we where much better than them,rightly equalised and then Onana gifted them a couple of goals.
Basically called all the players sh*t, this won't go down well with our players. Say another manager out the door soon enough. They can't be happy with this 3-4-3 either
He probably means passing the ball around the back 5 and going nowhere
Personally it's a + for me. The amount of frankly embarrassing mental gymnastics we've seen from previous managers trying to justify torrid stuff it's refreshing to hear a manager who actually says what everyone thinks. How that will work for him, who knows.. But we've tried the managers shielding the players after another failure approach and it was hardly a raging success.
It is nothing like what Moyes said. He said what is a fact. And if that pisses of the beloved players they can join Ole or Jose or even better eth when he gets some job.
What does going back to the drawing board mean though? We are unlikely to replace the whole squad in the next few years so making best use of the existing squad is going to be critical
Biggest problem for Amorim is that we’ve had an delusional board + managers who’s been spending a sh*t load of money on really awful players. I mean we’ve spent billions on really shocking material and still do. And now we’re seem to be broke? Just perfect.
He said performace was sh*t.
Why do people keep saying this like 4231 is a discredited formation. The issue under EtH was going full crazy transition ball, not the formation. Ruud stodging the midfield with 2 DMs and toning that down was enough to get some better results. And even under EtH, some of the performances this season were actually better than the results (eg West Ham away we actually battered them but missed sitters etc).
He even told them and made sure to go public that he wanted to start next summer he knew exactly what sort of shit show he was walking into
You can’t come in to a failing team, completely change how they play and plan to sell off 3-4 of the top earners (Rashford, Case, Antony) and not be backed it’s absolutely pointless and nothing but failure will result from it
It's a massive problem that so many of our senior players who are supposed to be our leaders and carry the biggest weight are either not good enough anymore (Casemiro, Eriksen), doesn't give a shit (Rashford), or are constantly injured (Mount, Shaw). 4 of those players are supposed to be starters, and 3 of them are paid as if they should be our best and most important players, and instead they are not playing at all, which in turn puts way too much responsibility on the shoulders of our young players.
Let me be clear here, this is not what I said, I stated that if the club doesn’t back him in the transfer market, he can not continue to play 5221 and should use the youth available to him in the short term to galvanise the squad by giving them minutes and inject some youthful energy into the squad.
Now if we buy a couple of elite players, then we don’t need to use the youth prospects but the chance of INEOS buying Amorim any players are less than 5 percent right now!
Go give the club the money then if you have it, and buy new stadium also!
We need a signing that can have the same effect Bruno had in January.
There are more managers out there besides Ten Hag and Amorim. Ten Hag was almost in possession of whatever personnel needed to execute his famous donut formation, De Ligt, Yoro, Mount would have finally cracked the case.
In comes Amorim. He needs 2 wingbacks, 2 strikers, a goalkeeper, and a left wing. So 6 top players and he/we will be lucky to get 1 this window and 2 the next. The rest of this season is a write off, and next season. But the 2026-27 season is when he’ll have his pieces and can play his system—unless there’s an injury, a player doesn’t work out, a different manager works out how to effectively snuff the 343.
And we go again.
What Moyes said was a fact too.
The issue is Amorim is actually getting worse results than EtH. And actually the more time he's getting we are not looking like magically we will be better next season either. If you were to name players this formation actually suits you'd probably at best say Maguire and Mount.
Yes I think Amorim has to be bolder overall to get more results to climb up the table.
Amorim said himself when joining it's difficult to teach defenders to attack than attackers to help out defending.
Today even with Zirkzee on playing better than Hojlund the team still couldn't manage a shot on target. Only chance we had was through a crazy foul for a penalty, we weren't scoring today any other way. Today and against Southampton have been appalling.
He’ll come good. All he needs is a new goalkeeper, a centre back, two wing backs, a creative Central midfielder, a number 10 for the left and a lethal striker. Simple.
Yep. It didn't take a genius analyst to work out that keeping the same manager with such bad underlying numbers would continue to produce similar.
I said it pre-season. You will struggle to find many examples of teams jumping from bottom 3rd numbers to top 3rd without significantly improving the first XI - which we barely did.
The biggest problem was scoring goals and if anything they made the squad worse on that front by selling McTominay and only adding Zirkzee.
They are quicker, taller, more athleticism, physical. Better in pressing and playing together. Know how to navigate from moments. Again, ETH did huge damage to the squad and wasted so much to exhausted our financial resources.
That's not happening. No money so best we can hope probably is wingback on loan or small fee.