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Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Worked at Sporting just fine. Hard to implement a system in such a short period of time with a bunch of plumbers.
Right its not the reason. And we dont have shit players everywhere - we actually have a selection of good players who are capable of having better form than Everton in their last 6 games.
I havent even bothered checking the last 8-10 games but I'm going to punt that it's not much better if at all.
He's got to go if the season continues on like this, awful coaching.
Why sugar coat it? They've been average since they joined and need a kick up the ass.
A manager doesn't need to be every players friend. Some need tough love, especially and a big club.
Honestly, I reckon over a season Sporting would struggle in this league.
He’s proven already his negative as feck system does a decent job against top teams, like City, Liverpool, Arsenal, but against the rest…. It’s shite.
Dunno why fans are surprised by Amorims comments.
The guy is on record saying all this stuff repeatedly, all the sporting fans said he wouldn’t change, reports also suggest he didn’t want to start halfway through the season and now he’s getting no support in the January window. What was expected exactly? That he’d somehow get Ten Hags extremely expensive rejects firing? No chance.
All of this is on the Ineos hivemind in my opinion.
The guy is on record saying all this stuff repeatedly, all the sporting fans said he wouldn’t change, reports also suggest he didn’t want to start halfway through the season and now he’s getting no support in the January window. What was expected exactly? That he’d somehow get Ten Hags extremely expensive rejects firing? No chance.
All of this is on the Ineos hivemind in my opinion.
What is the obsession with Ten Hag?
4 points in the last 6 league games is criminally bad form for a squad that should be capable of better. I don't care if that's Ten Hag, Amorim, LVG, Ole, Jose or Moyes.
People still defending Ten Hag. The biggest reason he had to go long before he did was the disastrous waste of resources that we will take years to recover from.
The squad is dreadful and no manager is a miracle worker.
The squad is dreadful and no manager is a miracle worker.
So you think players are actively sabotaging him
The scary thing is, I actually think most of them are trying incredibly hard. But its just not working and then they lose confidence and here we are in a death spiral.
The system just isn't working consistently enough for this bunch of players. Those are clear facts that anyone can see.
You can't tell me that De Ligt, Maz, Ugarte, Yoro etc. are bad players all of a sudden. They literally just arrived and most of them performed well for their previous teams and won trophies. At some point the system and the manager must take some of the blame.
Damn people switch up on him depends of direction wind blows each weekend lul
It has nothing to do with Ten Hag. I am calling you Ten Hag in jest. That's my nickname for you since we are such good buddies.
It's nothing controversial. He jokingly said that we are playing like the worst team in United history at the moment.
Back Amorim he will get us back to the top,
Those players aren't starting though. Every manager will have a different opinion of players, even ones who are club legends or been at the top of the game. However one thing is absolutely true, no manager gets to but a whole new team. Like it or not, Amorim has to get a tune out of this squad, the money isn't there to shift some of these players, but his job was always to coach them and improve them.
This is why I said it's no good just blaming the players. Yes there a few poor buys, but you still cannot argue that most of these players are current internationals. So they cannot be as bad as our performances are so somewhere in-between the manager and his tactics must take a degree of blame.
Yeah, we have a selection of good players who don't fit together into any kind of system at all, let alone Amorim's.
You keep saying we were never this bad under Ten Hag but we were still an absolute fecking train-wreck (we were 13th or so in the league when he left), and that was with the squad that HE assembled.
As I say, Amorim's system isn't working with this current squad but, to be fair to him, he didn't build the squad this way and I genuinely don't even know what system I would utilise to get this squad to play well.
How else do you explain being rubbish under two completely different systems? At least we have some level of control these days, for what it’s worth, because we were getting dominated every week under ETH. We don’t have good possession and are pretty ineffective, but at least it’s something i suppose.
You say get more attackers onto that pitch. The point is that we don't have them.
Hojlund - 2 goals.
Zirkzee - 3 goals.
Rashford - pissing about doing interviews about moving on. Isn't up for selection and shouldn't be.
Amad - One of two players who is our leading driving force in an attacking sense.
Bruno - the other player who contributes.
Garnacho - might be leaving. Isn't exactly setting the world alight when he does play.
Antony - horrible signing with no pace and who doesn't contribute anything. Should be going.
We haven't got enough in the squad. It's a similar story in centre mid. The options there are poor and very, very limited in what they allow us to do. The only area of the pitch where we look reasonably well stocked is at centre back.
I don't think its a joke because it's trueIt has nothing to do with Ten Hag. I am calling you Ten Hag in jest. That's my nickname for you since we are such good buddies.
It's nothing controversial. He jokingly said that we are playing like the worst team in United history at the moment.
But he's now openly stated it and it's going to cause headlines. It will probably piss off some of his squad as well true as it may be he's just given the media a big soundbite to slap the players with. Not a smart move.That’s the thing it’s not anymore. The squad is full of absolute shite that the likes of Brighton wouldn’t touch and to make it worse they’re all on mega contracts and seem to have zero desire to even do the basics
We had over 300m worth of failed transfer signings on the bench. Casemiro, Hojlund, Antony who the likes of Saudi and Real Betis are semi interested in, our supposed star player Rashford is drawing massive interest….in a loan from Dortmund
The vast majority of them are wank
I agree. The magnitude of challenge he's facing seems to be getting to him.
Hope he can turn it around. But, let's face it, he's not exactly set up for success. A group of players fairly unsuited to the style of play with which he dogmatically persists. And we're skint. So...
There are shades of Jose in this, like when he said coming 2nd with United was his greatest achievement — meaning the players were shit and he was some kind of wizard to get them to play cohesively.Right on cue
It's about time he did. He covered for them after every other loss and poor performance. Blamed lack of training etc.
Nonsense. He was appointed with everyone knowing exactly which system he would be implementing.
And he has said he will not change his formation.
So his job is LITERALLY to use a specific formation.
I mean, we weren't. At no point did we have 4 points in 6 league games. That form is utterly terrible.
Ten hag and sir Jim got us into this mess. They kept on a manager who had us around 15th on expected points last season. Now that is where we are in the actual table. Keeping ten Hag was a worse decision than anything the Glazers did.
You see i can respect this, unlike RR seems he wont bend over and sell out his principle for bunch of overpaid cnuts. Those that want him to adapt to the squad, for what? short term results, how those managers were rewarded for adapting, they all ended up being sacked at the end because of bunch of overpaid cockroaches.
Good for him, if he gets fired at least he sticking to his guns, sadly him still picking cnuts each week not helping, bet if he had bunch of kids instead, he would have at least one more win.
Oh I don't disagree with him, but we know already from Ole, Ralf, ETH and so on how some of this group respond to public criticism and challenge. They sulk and cause problems. Won't be at all surprised if leaks start soon.
If it's a message to INEOS to help then I hope it's heard because he needs backing, especially now.
Simple as,majority of the players are mediocre at best.Let him have a chance to build his team.
To be honest I never believed Ineos would be our saviors, and so far they have been awful.
The majority of the fans wanted this after the FA cup. The owners just gave the fans what they wanted, another season for ETH.
The club should go all out and buy Gyokores before the window closes.
How many players have left us and gone on to do big things with big teams though? You reference De Ligt but there is a reason both Juve and Bayern wanted rid, both times he didn't reach 100 games. He is a name and that is seemingly all our scouting team know.
He'll get his chance, and I've got no issue with it. But while we are building he should be capable of navigating these games better than he is.
This team has plenty issues that will be a problem with any system, but one thing that is definitely not helping is the lack of attacking players on the pitch.
Amad, Bruno and Zirkzee were our only attack minded players, and Zirkzee isn't a goalscorer either so it's no surprise we're struggling so much in the final third. We struggled when we had an extra player in a 4-2-3-1, so obviously it's going to make it even worse.
I also think we could do with getting him one or two players whose profile suits the system on loan before the window closes, to at least see if there's any progress before we spend millions in the summer.
Amad, Bruno and Zirkzee were our only attack minded players, and Zirkzee isn't a goalscorer either so it's no surprise we're struggling so much in the final third. We struggled when we had an extra player in a 4-2-3-1, so obviously it's going to make it even worse.
I also think we could do with getting him one or two players whose profile suits the system on loan before the window closes, to at least see if there's any progress before we spend millions in the summer.
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We are making progress and the performance is getting better. The results will eventually come. Today, it’s another one which is frustrating based on how easily we conceded. Such a small margin in fraction of seconds of judgements probably need to be rectified by changing personnels.
There is no difference between them sulking and not, still same trash just different package
This is fine. If he sticks to it and it eventually works - great. If not - he'll be sacked, probably around March/April and we'll never have to suffer this 3-4-3/5-3-2 crap anymore. Win - win.