100%. Amad played amazing at RWB. He was better defensively when he played there.Amad should start at RWB until the end of the season. That should be his permament position until new signings are made.
Maz and Dalot are too defensive.
Having an extra attacker will give teams something else to think about.
A 16 and two 17 year olds are your answer.Look Ruben deserves time but if we are not going to buy him at least 4/5 players that suit his system, he should be the one to pull the trigger himself as his reputation will be shot without any investment, he will only get 15/16 points from 15/16 PL matches if he doesn’t change and his current 27% PL win rate as Man United coach would not be acceptable after 20/30 games and the style of play being far too slow, will not be tolerated so it’s best he just quits himself to keep his reputation intact.
I watched a lot of sporting and he genuinely elevated good players to great and average players to good. But everything with Amorim’s sporting was about the collective and team shape, he had that team working in triangular partnerships no more than 10/15 yards apart so his 3421 was incredible flexible and robust and it became, when they attacked down the Right, a sweeping movement from RCB, to CB, to RM all joining in the build up then they move the ball through the thirds with RWB, R10, CF but there was multiply third man runs from midfield and even Wide CB’s.
The collective as an outfield 10 moved all round the pitch in Spinning triangular movement almost seamlessly.
Now when you look at this current United side it’s not 3421 but instead more 5221 and due to the wing backs and Centre Backs being generally slow, they drop far too deep and then there is far too much space for a 4 man defence to come out, then play out and 1 or 2 defenders join the midfield and then create multiple overloads even though we have 5 men almost lined up in a flat line, there are still loads of spaces.
Amorim can not continue to set up last this he needs to pick attacking wide Players like Amad at Right wing back and and give Harry Amass a go at left wing back.
He can’t do any worse right now, maybe play Collyer and Ugarte in a mobile midfield 2 so they can dominate the ball and give simple passes to Amad and Amass, we really need a CF and a left wing back desperately but that’s not happening so Ruben needs to give at least two youth players a chance, I’d call up Chido and Ibragimov into the squad too to give us something different, just so we can get to 40 points, then I would review Amorim’s position, if he wins Europa , keep him if not go get Iraola whose proving with much less resources he’s doing a far better job!
I am talking about this: if they can't play well in a system they prefer, what makes you think they'll improve by switching to a system they don't prefer? It seems naive in my eyes.If they can't play well in their preferred system/formation what on earth are you talking about?
What do you suggest then?I am talking about this: if they can't play well in a system they prefer, what makes you think they'll improve by switching to a system they don't prefer? It seems naive in my eyes.
Then we bring another manager in who will get a couple of good results, then as soon as it goes a bit t*ts up they down tools, another sacking and so it goes on. Modern footballers for you. Another manager might get performances, but we will still have a very averages squad and no bloody striker. We will still have Luke Shaw and Mason Mount taking permanant residence in the medical room. Nothing will change. The majortity of our problems have been caused by the powers on high.His job is to win games by getting the best out if his players. His job is not to use a specific formation.
Absolutely agree. His signings were the worst.ETH, those two trophies aside, was an utter utter disaster of a manager here.
His signings will have long lasting ramifications for the club.
To spend what he did on Casemiro, Hojlund, Mount, Onana and Antony in particular was just inexcusable. We've been bad post Fergie I know but his time here really sped up our demise.
feck knows how Amorim fixes it.
For those of you who enjoy the ref conspiracy
https://www.liverpoolfa.com/news/2019/aug/01/best-of-luck-peter
I said at the beginning that I'd call it as I see it with Amorim. Maybe that will make me sound inconsistent. Hard not to be inconsistent when the team is.
As I've said before, I don't blame him for what we are and for having a squad that is not suited to his approach. That's entirely on Omar Berrada and our supposedly best-in-class leadership. They picked him knowing what he is and knowing what he would have at his disposal.
However, it is concerning that we never really looked like scoring from open play. Our attack was toothless. Even on the counter. None of his changes improved the situation either.
It was also concerning that our pressing shape, again, was really bad. The Southampton game should have been a warning. However, Mitoma got in after what five minutes simply because nobody was tight to him. Again, several times our frontline pushed up and left our defence as an island.
These are his responsibility to fix and its just not happening. While the mentality of the team is still all over the place.
Its not super inspiring.
Mainoo and Garnacho are capable of better than what they're showing. There's a problem with the system or at least how the urgency is of the play, and Amorim is culpable in that.
According to him, if the results don’t improve he won’t be able to convince his players of his system. With that in mind, how does it help with us losing with such regularity?
If the opponents know you are playing 3 at the back and have set the opposition up to counter it, maybe we do something different/tweak the system to counter that back.
You don’t have to completely abandon your beliefs, but you can still tweak them to better suit the squad and the league.
The players are definitely mostly shite, but Amorim has to shoulder a fair bit of this blame. You don’t need a team of 11 superstars to outplay Soton.
We got outplayed by Southampton. Who definitely have worse players than us.
I think when he took over we were 4 points from the top 4, how many are we now? That was with Ruud getting us points and he’s only managed for a season or two in Holland previously. The players don’t suit the system, it makes players like Garnacho, Mainoo, Mazraoui worse. We need to sell a good amount of the squad to get Rubén’s football to work, it’s another massive gamble from the club.
His version of 5-2-3 is definitely the worst one. 2 no 10s is just a terrible idea as it doesn’t provide us the necessary width and the players he buys won’t be of use in most formations if he doesn’t work out.
How many rebuilds do we need? Liverpool are about to match our league title amount and likely increase it before we resemble a title challenging team. We may as well kept ETH of carrying on with these results and performances- 4 defeats in 5 games at OT now incidentally.
4231 could work if not setup gung ho like ETH did. We don't have the players he needs to play this system. It isn't rocket science. We have 5 defenders and arguably 2 holding midfielders and yet still conceded garbage goals that are preventable.
I'm not suggesting sacking him but he needs to at least understand that it ain't working.
I consider a late last gasp winner to be fairly lucky.
+1We are playing with 5 defenders, a DM and a false 9. We shouldn’t be surprised we generated only one shot on target.
Chasing a goal or two and bringing on Antony, Hojlund and Garnacho shows how bad things are. Garnacho wasn’t great but was decent enough until we totally changed our system and pretty much put him up for sale.
Which brings me to my next point, Amorim is having a shocker with his insistence on this formation. It is inherently negative and we don’t have the personnel for it. The extra defenders aren’t making us any better at the back and the attack that was already bad is at the same level or worse.
Our best attackers are Bruno, Rashford and Garnacho and all have been made to look worse than what they are. Mainoo looks lost, Dalot stands out terribly at LWB. What is the point of persisting with this not only for every game but for every minute of the game. I hate EtH and even he was known to switch up formations when chasing games.
I like him and think he comes across well but whenever a young manager thinks he’s above being wrong it always ends up bad. If you are a genius, then it needs to be proved and right now what we are seeing is just a lot of talk. This is the Premier League not a Mickey Mouse league where you can just turn up and watch teams roll over.
Fernandes should focus on himself. He’s been non-existent in the last two games too.Amorim and Fernandes challenged the squad to deliver same intensity and spirit as they did against Liverpool and Arsenal. Magnificent response. They can piss off the lot of them.
It's not only intensity that is at fault here. It is our complete lack of ability to play on the front foot. We can still only play on the transition.Amorim and Fernandes challenged the squad to deliver same intensity and spirit as they did against Liverpool and Arsenal. Magnificent response. They can piss off the lot of them.
We aren't getting 4 points from 18 because we have shit players. This narrative need to stop. It's utter bollocks.The point being made here is that you can't just forget the damage that Ten Hag, alongside Murtough and Arnold, did to the squad over the past three years because it's in no small part the reason why we're in this mess in the first place.
It's not wrong that the form under Ten Hag was never this bad but it's equally not wrong that we were an absolute train-wreck under him for his last year at the club and that was after he'd spend untold sums of money on absolute dross. With Amorim, as bad as we've been, you at least have the mitigating factor that this isn't his squad and he inherited an absolute dumpster fire because of Ten Hag.
He means we are playing like the worst team in United history and we need to change that. Chill out, Mr Hag.That's a terrible thing to publicly disclose to be honest. There are players like De Ligt, Maz, Yorro, Ugarte, Mainoo who wouldn't appreciate this type of a narrative. He should be motivating his squad not shitting on them in public so early. Irrespective of whether he bought them or not.
Maybe because he's been hung out to dry.I dont think he's taking the pressure of the job particularly well.
I don't think the fact that we have shit players is helping, let's say that much...We aren't getting 4 points from 18 because we have shit players. This narrative need to stop. It's utter bollocks.
Probably the only thing I agree with them on if they have doubts over the managers long term future.
Specialist players like wingbacks become surplus to requirements if the next manager plays 433.
What does this have to do with Ten Hag? Try not to wind up - and it doesn't make the statement less contravertial - its no wonder there are a few players who have dipped under him.He means we are playing like the worst team in United history and we need to change that. Chill out, Mr Hag.
Ineos are inept and not the saviors we all thought they were.If we were going to be this shit we should have just kept ETH till the end of the season and bought in Amorim in the summer, with the right players and time to implement tactics.
I can't understand why we paid ETH so much money to get the sack now, so we can then pay a lot of money to get Amorim in now instead of the summer for what?
Its not like he could save our season or anything by bringing him in early, we are absolutely awful.
How many tests does he need to run to make his assessment? I think we’re all pretty clear on which players will fit and which won’t, with most of the squad falling into the “won’t” category. So he submits a report to Jimmy Rats that says he needs 6 minimum, realistically 8, new players to get this team firing like his last team did. Jim says, you can have 1 maybe 2. So then what?He has explained this a million times. We either start playing it now with the players we have, so that we can figure out which ones can play the system and which one's can't. Or we wait till the summer, wasting an entire half a season where we could have been training for a specific tactic and finding out more about these players.
So you think players are actively sabotaging himMaybe because he's been hung out to dry.
sounds broken
So you think Amorim will be sacked without having a window where he’s got money to spend?
I'm not talking about the players.So you think players are actively sabotaging him
But under Ten Hag the players were the problem for you? Now they’re not?We aren't getting 4 points from 18 because we have shit players. This narrative need to stop. It's utter bollocks.
Who thenI'm not talking about the players.