No idea, mostly why he failed - nobody understood what his endgame was. The players he signed weren't physical beasts neither or very fast.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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How were Wolves an in-form team? They'd just sacked their manager after some terrible performances.
He should've just joined at the end of the season. Yes, there was the "now or never" ultimatum from the club management, but he should've called their bluff. Who were they going to hire on a long contract instead? Moyes?
Ye but unluckily for us they just hired a new manager and got their new manager bounce. First home game under him was us.
Peps survived a lot worse of a run. 1 in 12 it was. But people will argue he’s deserved time with his success
We prioritise deals we can get done. Top shelf talent isn't what we do these days
I’m completely on board with bringing in a world class striker, without which it’s very tough to compete for a top four spot.
But a terrible squad with £600m available to spend on it.
Amorim is no magician, he can't pull a rabbit out of this hat. Hopefully, we don't get relegated this season and get kick out of Europe next season so he can really work with the players focusing on domestic games weekly. Not sure how finance will work, Amorim needs at 7-8 new players. Definitely a top quality striker, 1 CM who can win ball and distribute the ball, attacking LWB and RWB so 4 players are a minimum. Hopefully a couple of rotational players. Having only domestic games to focus on, hopefully we can get back to top 4. I don't see a future for Garnacho, Rashford, Zirkzee, Casemiro, Eriksen, Malacia, Martinez, Dalot, Bruno, Shaw, Mount, Evan, Lindeloft, Antony, Sancho and backup keeper. More than 10 players that will not be part of this squad in the next couple of years.
Wow, enough said.
It is reported some of these signings were club signings.
100%, that squad and even £300m would transform us.
Ruben Amorim is ranked 44 in Elo ratings for coaches. ETH is ranked 179.
This team would be better with those players.
I think the issue is that Amorim’s approach is “this system can’t work with these players - but I’m going to force them to play it anyway - even while on the worst losing streak this club has ever seen and you all just have to grin and bear it.”
Just to add, he played well and got dropped ETH treated him badly, only started playing near the end when his job was on the line and had he played him earlier he would have still been here.
Thank God that didn't happen.
Because we know the injuries derailed Ten Hag’s broader plans. The last several players in have mostly worked out. They sacked him anyway, for a new guy who says 9 or 10 of the squad have to go, and suddenly we see in the worst run of form seen in my lifetime, but the manager won’t adapt even though he himself has said these players can’t do what he’s demanding they do.
Theyre all club signings. Every signing is a club signing. The manager doesn't bend the club over over a table and have his way with them.
Before Amorim at least, there was a veto on both sides - and there had to be an agreement in unison between the club and the manager. Antony didn't come to the club just on Ten Hag's say so, and Pogba didn't rejoin us just on Jose's say so, even though we know both these coaches were keen on the player.
I'm unsure if the veto still exists, but at the very least Amorim will have heavy input in the process and thus have some element of control himself. The difference here however, will be that he is supplemented with recruiters of actual pedgiree and not clowns. So his shortlist will be much better curated than Ole/Jose/Ten Hag etc.
Just find it abit weird that there's no real bounce in our play. Its still all flat and lacking in enthusiasm.
Where did he wmsay 9 or 10 players need to go?
For the first time since Fergie we have a manager who sees the situation just like the fans do and Payer/ETH FC just can't give him even 1 transfer window or a preseason. Not even Fergie could rescue this squad.
Co-sign.
Maybe this is being taken as an article of faith at the moment — but if he can’t see that 9 or 10 of these players aren’t fitting into this system, then that’s us doubly fecked.
Not having a go, but what was Ten Hag’s ranking before joining United? Hard to see how this historic run of losses is going to improve Amorim’s ranking, if he is now doing worse than the former guy ever did.
they approach each match like they’re at a family gathering that their other half forced them to go to.
For all those complaining about his results, need context, he did not play a settled team like ETH and attempt to get results, he said from the get go, he will start implementing his idea and there will be a storm.
He gave everyone a chance by rotating and quickly realised the level of the players. Something other previous managers have failed to do. He's been here under 2 months and people losing patience.
For those saying he hasn't adapted, he has , in game our formation has constantly changed and his in game management is probably the best since Fergie, where he doesn't wait till 65 mins (Ole) or the near the end of the match (ETH) to make changes.
What can he do when he has inherited:
*Unfit Squad
*Injuries
*Players who can't string 5 yard passes or hold on to the ball
*Limited technical ability and levels
And he has to go from a counter attacking team to his possession based style. To be fair he asked to come in the Summer, but he got the ultimatumto come now or lose out.
He gave everyone a chance by rotating and quickly realised the level of the players. Something other previous managers have failed to do. He's been here under 2 months and people losing patience.
For those saying he hasn't adapted, he has , in game our formation has constantly changed and his in game management is probably the best since Fergie, where he doesn't wait till 65 mins (Ole) or the near the end of the match (ETH) to make changes.
What can he do when he has inherited:
*Unfit Squad
*Injuries
*Players who can't string 5 yard passes or hold on to the ball
*Limited technical ability and levels
And he has to go from a counter attacking team to his possession based style. To be fair he asked to come in the Summer, but he got the ultimatumto come now or lose out.
The problem is Ten Hag could say the same thing. While we don’t have Balon d’Or contenders, the squad has improved from when he joined.
One early sub in 11 matches that corrects his own mistake is not really enough to say his in game management is good or that he’s adapted. More often than not he’s left us swinging in the breeze.
If City get their titles stripped, Ten Hag will have
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I’m actually happy there is no bounce. Usually, this bounce is fake. Some players get contract extensions because of this fake bounce. I’m happy that shite players are playing shite and players with attitude are showing their bad attitude and players with bad discipline are showing their bad discipline. Let everyone be accountable, if someone is not good enough, he’s out of the amorim’s plans and up for sale. We need a massive clean up
Several managers have tried and failed to get the squad performing consistently at a higher level; before Amorim got started I said he would probably have the same problems.
We have fallen to new levels of being shiit, but Amorim has shown he is far from incompetent. He is encountering the same issues as before, but is sticking to his plan. I hope he turns our form around.
We have fallen to new levels of being shiit, but Amorim has shown he is far from incompetent. He is encountering the same issues as before, but is sticking to his plan. I hope he turns our form around.
You forgot about arsenal?
Just looked at the table now and realised there's a gap opening from top half to bottom, ie 27pts to 22pts... and the top 8 are on 32pts... so another (expected) loss tomorrow and we'll have A LOT of catching up to do. But this is where we are.
A run of 3 straights wins - as simple as it sounds - would obv give us 9pts, but that could give us a massive leg up towards the European places. Hard to see where we can put that run together though - I reckon the likes of West Ham, Everton and Southampton would restrict us to scoring only 1 goal and probably nick one themselves, even though we'd push 65+% possession.
Continue as we have been and we could well end up on <50pts come the end of the season. Spurs might not be much better.
A run of 3 straights wins - as simple as it sounds - would obv give us 9pts, but that could give us a massive leg up towards the European places. Hard to see where we can put that run together though - I reckon the likes of West Ham, Everton and Southampton would restrict us to scoring only 1 goal and probably nick one themselves, even though we'd push 65+% possession.
Continue as we have been and we could well end up on <50pts come the end of the season. Spurs might not be much better.
What are you on about? Ten Hag had several years and hundreds and hundreds of millions spent on the squad, and yet the longer he was here the worse we got.
That cannot be reasonably compared to Amorim who has only been here a couple months, hasn’t bought any players, and has been thrown in to a brutal fixture period with a team whose confidence had already been shattered by Ten Hag.
Nope Amad did not convince in his cameos. As soon as he came good, he got starts. That‘s how it is supposed to work.
A bounce just means a temporary upswing in performances and/or results. What the hell is a ''fake'' bounce?
This is just another post along the lines of "relegation may be good for us, so I'm happy we're losing every match".
What?
But we had a new manager too, and a better one than theirs. Imagine how unlucky Wolves were.
The simple reality is we need a left wing back and an elite number 9, if and it’s still a big if we manage to get these two players in within the next 7/10 days, I can see the club making a significant improvement, however this is needed asap.
Amorim really needs the weather to save him tomorrow and hope the game is postponed, he can then continue to work with even more time on the pitch to drill the system.
Dream scenario would be Gykores or Osimhen at CF and Nuno Mendes at LWB with maybe Chillwell on loan too as back up. The PL does not lie and we’ve scored 21 goals in 19 PL games, that’s not just on the players but the coaches too. Amorim had 8 PL games, his team has scored 9 Goals which is not improvement and more concerning is they’ve not scored any goals in 270 minutes and conceded 7 goals to Wolves, Bournemouth and Newcastle?
Amorim really needs the weather to save him tomorrow and hope the game is postponed, he can then continue to work with even more time on the pitch to drill the system.
Dream scenario would be Gykores or Osimhen at CF and Nuno Mendes at LWB with maybe Chillwell on loan too as back up. The PL does not lie and we’ve scored 21 goals in 19 PL games, that’s not just on the players but the coaches too. Amorim had 8 PL games, his team has scored 9 Goals which is not improvement and more concerning is they’ve not scored any goals in 270 minutes and conceded 7 goals to Wolves, Bournemouth and Newcastle?
I think they think that we finished 2nd in 2022-23. We didn’t, we finished 3rd.
A distant 3rd
One early sub is factually wrong.
You’re trying to compare a team and a new manager where one team brought a new manager in but carried on using a similar system. The other team brought a new manager in and changed absolutely everything.
At least most results went in our favour today