Interesting he is now saying they will "try to do something" when the window opens. Slight change in tone from previously. I'd assume there is movement for players out behind the scenes.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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If we can offload a lot of our over priced dead weight we can bring in a few decent signings.
An interesting comparison of the stats from ETH's last 11 games and Ruben's first 11 games
The 7-0 against Barnsley doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
No showing of the shots faced?
because the idiots in charge gave ETH more time when he should have been let go right after the season ended.
You should also factor in that Ten Hag had 2 seasons to train these players whereas Amorim has had 4 full training sessions.
I like it but it can be annotated with so much more data (xG, xA, xT, final 3rd entries, high turnovers leading to shot, penalty box entries)
The stats also gloss over the reality that ETH was playing with the players he wanted and got for his preferred tactics and formation, whilst Amorim has been implementing a brand new formation and tactics with players not suited to maximize Amorim's style. Therefore the comparison is pretty pointless given the vastly divergent set of circumstances.
It’s too early for me to write off what we are doing, I should clarify. But I am more nervous, especially with how we removed the DOF.
I don’t think our signings have been bad, either.
My point was more about the reality of the expectations we need to be setting ourselves. It’s a huge change that we are trying to implement in our style of play. It’s going to be painful. And that does make me a little nervous, because it’s only worth doing if we are committing to this style of play for the forceable future; and not just for Amorim’s tenure. And whilst our signings weren’t bad as such, I can’t say they correlate as clearly as I’d like to our intended style of play. But perhaps that’s me just being unfair.
They are 'training' every day but most days they just do light work and gym in between games. Think there was an interview with Dalot where he said they were just in the gym doing recovery all the time when the schedule gets busy. Usually I think it gets overplayed how long it takes to get a system into place but the December/Jan run of games is awful so, in this case, it is a legit reason.
Absolutely. Ten Hag‘s start was better though in his first season, so you can factor that in too.
I do support Amorim and hope he starts getting points before he gets himself sacked.
Where did the story even originate?
There should be some video of the situation. I just hope this is not true. I can't imagine how much of a spoilt brat one has to be in order to behave like that with his just-appointed coach.
He said it in a presser.
It's been like this for years, players thinking they've made it now that they're starters for Manchester United with fat contracts, therefore they don't need to be lectured by some nobody coach. It's a massive culture problem.
What's problematic is it's about such a young player. I had some suspicion about him going this way but...as I said, hoping it's not true, otherwise we are in mariana trench depths of shite culture wise.
When?
Went to the tnt replay they don't show the subs coming on so hard to tell.
I seriously hope this isn't true. If it is, od give him a chance to apologise and if he doesn't then ship him out.
Because there have been games every few days, and all the available time is spent on recovery etc. the manager has bad very limited time to actually coach the side, as a result. Tifo did a video about a month ago suggesting that Amorim would have virtually no time to coach, based on typical management timetables, and lo and behold he has confirmed it in a press conference now.
So you mean to say that a manager got better results from a group that has been playing favorable system for years compared to a manager who’s system is completely different?
If you want to die on this hill then be my guest but let me remind you that your bald fraud lost his first 2 games looking completely clueless before he reverted to a system that was not his.
I mean to say he got better results from a group that was worse than the current group, played a system not so different from Amorim, and turned it around after losing his first two games.
Judge him after he's built his own squad.
That might be a more fair comparison if we'd done what we should have done and bought Amorim in at the start of the season, rather than letting ETH tank another season when he clearly was a problem and bringing Amorim in during the most difficult period of the season.
Yes, we should have done it this or next summer.
Not really, his signings made us much worse and he didn’t turn around anything. He abandoned his idea. Amorim would have been picking up points too if he did what ETH did but then thats not what we hired him for.
His system is nowhere similar to what Amorim plays, with Amorim saying it himself that the players need to forget what the previous manager trained them to do.
Let‘s agree to disagree, for now the facts speak for themselves.
Facts, with disregard to any sort of context then yes
He didn't, he papered over the cracks that season and got 2nd in one of the worst Premier League seasons.
The season after where he actually tried to buy his players and play his way, he bought a load of players, renewed contracts of others, and sold others. Thought Anthony was better than Amad, and even played Amari Forson ahead of him! During his time, there were reports that Amad may be sold.
£600m later and after breaking every negative record he could find, he left us with the worst squad post Fergie. If ETH had carried he would have got similar results in his own formation.
This revisionism is getting
. United fans are so used to mediocrity that they can't see a good thing for what it is anymore and want to keep reverting to type.If we carry on, our standards will keep dropping, and it won't just take a surplus Bayern player (Mazraoui) to embarrass our squad, but maybe an Everton one!
This revisionism is embarrassing. Give this manager at least 2 summers before judging.
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Comparing the first games to ETH makes zero sense as one had a transfer window and pre season, the other a shit squad no transfers and a busy season
Perfect post.He didn't, he papered over the cracks that season and got 2nd in one of the worst Premier League seasons.
The season after where he actually tried to buy his players and play his way, he bought a load of players, renewed contracts of other, and sold others. Thought Anthony was better than Amad and even played Amari Forson ahead of him! During his time there were reports Amad may be sold.
£600m later and after breaking every negative record he could find, he left us with the worst squad post Fergie. If ETH had carried he would have got similar results in his own formation.
This revisionism is getting
If we carry on our standards will keep dropping, and it won't just take a surpluses Bayern player (Mazraoui) to embarrass our squad but maybe an Everton one.
This revisionism is embarrassing. Give this manager at least 2 summers before judging.
Yea got to agree , this is well put and sums things up as to where we are at the moment.He didn't, he papered over the cracks that season and got 2nd in one of the worst Premier League seasons.
The season after where he actually tried to buy his players and play his way, he bought a load of players, renewed contracts of others, and sold others. Thought Anthony was better than Amad, and even played Amari Forson ahead of him! During his time, there were reports that Amad may be sold.
£600m later and after breaking every negative record he could find, he left us with the worst squad post Fergie. If ETH had carried he would have got similar results in his own formation.
This revisionism is getting
If we carry on, our standards will keep dropping, and it won't just take a surplus Bayern player (Mazraoui) to embarrass our squad, but maybe an Everton one!
This revisionism is embarrassing. Give this manager at least 2 summers before judging.
Everything else you said is right, but the jury’s still out on that one.He didn't, he papered over the cracks that season and got 2nd in one of the worst Premier League seasons.
The season after where he actually tried to buy his players and play his way, he bought a load of players, renewed contracts of others, and sold others. Thought Anthony was better than Amad, and even played Amari Forson ahead of him! During his time, there were reports that Amad may be sold.
£600m later and after breaking every negative record he could find, he left us with the worst squad post Fergie. If ETH had carried he would have got similar results in his own formation.
This revisionism is getting
If we carry on, our standards will keep dropping, and it won't just take a surplus Bayern player (Mazraoui) to embarrass our squad, but maybe an Everton one!
This revisionism is embarrassing. Give this manager at least 2 summers before judging.
I completely agree with Ruben when it comes to insisting on certain principles from day one. Footballing principles - yes. But even more important the principles of hard work, disciplin and a winning mentality.
Drill it into them that they have to go to their absolute limit when necessairy, to work as hard as they can.
And that, whenever they step on the pitch, the one singular goal must be to win, whatever it takes.
When I watched Ruben talking about the lack of leadership yesterday, my first reaction was: well done for calling them out.
But then I thought about it again.
He’s not wrong about that, of course. And the Players probably know it themselves to a degree.
But who exactly is it aimed at?
The players who didn‘t step up until now will probably only retreat further into their shells as a reaction.
And the ones who tried to lead, Bruno or Maguire for example - he tells them clearly that they are failing.
Leadership, unless it comes natural to you, has to be fostered, there‘s no switch you can flick.
They need guidance, not sure if calling them out in a press conference helps.
But that‘s just a small detail.
However, it made me think about his communication. Not the how, he‘s eloquent, smart, charming when he wants to be; just a natural when it comes to dealing with the media or individuals as well. But the what…
Repeatedly stating how big a task it is, how painful it‘s going to be etc…
Again, he‘s not wrong.
But I found myself sweeping away the losses, accepting them, thinking well he said thats how it would be.
And it gives our weakminded players an excuse to hide behind, ‘it is such a huge Mountain to climb, seems only right that we can‘t win many games‘
What happened to we don‘t lose we just run out of time?
Why not talk about a fresh start, or the start of a journey or something like that, be positive and enthusiastic!
Or the relegation stuff.
Tell the journalists basically to f off, that the notion is ridiculous, that we have a squad full of potential and that he trusts them to overcome adversity. Something like that.
Make them feel ten feet tall whenever they go out on the pitch!
Be a leader yourself!
Yes I know it’s hard to pull that off when you are surrounded by the toxic mess that we have become.
And Ratcliff makes it even worse saying stuff like our squad is mediocre.
The problem is that our players are not just lazy or don‘t care, they are devoid of confidence.
And someone has to tell them that they can do it, not how crap they are, especially when they struggle so hard trying to play the new System.
Quite a few of them will be part of the squad the following years, he has to get them on board and make them the fecking professionals they‘re supposed to be.
It shouldn‘t be necessairy but unfortunately thats where we are right now.
God I wish Ruben can turn it around and get us back to winning ways, but he really doesn‘t help himself.
And even he starts to look less confident.
Ffs!
Drill it into them that they have to go to their absolute limit when necessairy, to work as hard as they can.
And that, whenever they step on the pitch, the one singular goal must be to win, whatever it takes.
When I watched Ruben talking about the lack of leadership yesterday, my first reaction was: well done for calling them out.
But then I thought about it again.
He’s not wrong about that, of course. And the Players probably know it themselves to a degree.
But who exactly is it aimed at?
The players who didn‘t step up until now will probably only retreat further into their shells as a reaction.
And the ones who tried to lead, Bruno or Maguire for example - he tells them clearly that they are failing.
Leadership, unless it comes natural to you, has to be fostered, there‘s no switch you can flick.
They need guidance, not sure if calling them out in a press conference helps.
But that‘s just a small detail.
However, it made me think about his communication. Not the how, he‘s eloquent, smart, charming when he wants to be; just a natural when it comes to dealing with the media or individuals as well. But the what…
Repeatedly stating how big a task it is, how painful it‘s going to be etc…
Again, he‘s not wrong.
But I found myself sweeping away the losses, accepting them, thinking well he said thats how it would be.
And it gives our weakminded players an excuse to hide behind, ‘it is such a huge Mountain to climb, seems only right that we can‘t win many games‘
What happened to we don‘t lose we just run out of time?
Why not talk about a fresh start, or the start of a journey or something like that, be positive and enthusiastic!
Or the relegation stuff.
Tell the journalists basically to f off, that the notion is ridiculous, that we have a squad full of potential and that he trusts them to overcome adversity. Something like that.
Make them feel ten feet tall whenever they go out on the pitch!
Be a leader yourself!
Yes I know it’s hard to pull that off when you are surrounded by the toxic mess that we have become.
And Ratcliff makes it even worse saying stuff like our squad is mediocre.
The problem is that our players are not just lazy or don‘t care, they are devoid of confidence.
And someone has to tell them that they can do it, not how crap they are, especially when they struggle so hard trying to play the new System.
Quite a few of them will be part of the squad the following years, he has to get them on board and make them the fecking professionals they‘re supposed to be.
It shouldn‘t be necessairy but unfortunately thats where we are right now.
God I wish Ruben can turn it around and get us back to winning ways, but he really doesn‘t help himself.
And even he starts to look less confident.
Ffs!
The embarrassing thing is i DID google it! But clearly not very well. I think that makes the error worse. Apologies, you’re absolutely right of course. He did win a title off Dundee Utd but had previously done it from the big 2.