Its basically the same shape. Maybe conte is more direct in transition and negative desire for possession. But they arnt a million miles away from each other.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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In the end, whatever is the truth of the matter will become apparent. I suppose it’s unfair to judge him or the players just yet. Obviously we have a large amount of evidence with the players, but there’s still time for more to come good.
Can someone tell me how Amorim has had only 4 training sessions up until now?
Pretty much a game every three days. Where do you expect a full training session to come from?
Days in between will be rest, prep for the next game and travel.
I should imagine anytime there was a game in four days we got one in.
Because the day before and after a game are rest days, and the final training before a game is focused on the exact setup for that particular game.
So what Amorim means is there has been no time to work generically on his system in the sort of way you would do in preseason as primary learning for what he expects from each position in a 343.
He will have fitted bits and pieces in but if he has three training sessions this week two of them can be general stuff and one can be specific to liverpool.
I have already expressed my thoughts on the standards of the Portuguese league. If the league itself is of very little comparative importance, shouldn't it follow that achievements in the league also carry little significance?
Makes sense, thank you
Interesting he is now saying they will "try to do something" when the window opens. Slight change in tone from previously. I'd assume there is movement for players out behind the scenes.
If we can offload a lot of our over priced dead weight we can bring in a few decent signings.
An interesting comparison of the stats from ETH's last 11 games and Ruben's first 11 games
The 7-0 against Barnsley doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
No showing of the shots faced?
because the idiots in charge gave ETH more time when he should have been let go right after the season ended.
You should also factor in that Ten Hag had 2 seasons to train these players whereas Amorim has had 4 full training sessions.
I like it but it can be annotated with so much more data (xG, xA, xT, final 3rd entries, high turnovers leading to shot, penalty box entries)
The stats also gloss over the reality that ETH was playing with the players he wanted and got for his preferred tactics and formation, whilst Amorim has been implementing a brand new formation and tactics with players not suited to maximize Amorim's style. Therefore the comparison is pretty pointless given the vastly divergent set of circumstances.
It’s too early for me to write off what we are doing, I should clarify. But I am more nervous, especially with how we removed the DOF.
I don’t think our signings have been bad, either.
My point was more about the reality of the expectations we need to be setting ourselves. It’s a huge change that we are trying to implement in our style of play. It’s going to be painful. And that does make me a little nervous, because it’s only worth doing if we are committing to this style of play for the forceable future; and not just for Amorim’s tenure. And whilst our signings weren’t bad as such, I can’t say they correlate as clearly as I’d like to our intended style of play. But perhaps that’s me just being unfair.
They are 'training' every day but most days they just do light work and gym in between games. Think there was an interview with Dalot where he said they were just in the gym doing recovery all the time when the schedule gets busy. Usually I think it gets overplayed how long it takes to get a system into place but the December/Jan run of games is awful so, in this case, it is a legit reason.
Absolutely. Ten Hag‘s start was better though in his first season, so you can factor that in too.
I do support Amorim and hope he starts getting points before he gets himself sacked.
Where did the story even originate?
There should be some video of the situation. I just hope this is not true. I can't imagine how much of a spoilt brat one has to be in order to behave like that with his just-appointed coach.
He said it in a presser.
It's been like this for years, players thinking they've made it now that they're starters for Manchester United with fat contracts, therefore they don't need to be lectured by some nobody coach. It's a massive culture problem.
What's problematic is it's about such a young player. I had some suspicion about him going this way but...as I said, hoping it's not true, otherwise we are in mariana trench depths of shite culture wise.
When?
Went to the tnt replay they don't show the subs coming on so hard to tell.
I seriously hope this isn't true. If it is, od give him a chance to apologise and if he doesn't then ship him out.
Because there have been games every few days, and all the available time is spent on recovery etc. the manager has bad very limited time to actually coach the side, as a result. Tifo did a video about a month ago suggesting that Amorim would have virtually no time to coach, based on typical management timetables, and lo and behold he has confirmed it in a press conference now.
So you mean to say that a manager got better results from a group that has been playing favorable system for years compared to a manager who’s system is completely different?
If you want to die on this hill then be my guest but let me remind you that your Pep Guardiola is my idol lost his first 2 games looking completely clueless before he reverted to a system that was not his.
I mean to say he got better results from a group that was worse than the current group, played a system not so different from Amorim, and turned it around after losing his first two games.
Judge him after he's built his own squad.
That might be a more fair comparison if we'd done what we should have done and bought Amorim in at the start of the season, rather than letting ETH tank another season when he clearly was a problem and bringing Amorim in during the most difficult period of the season.
Yes, we should have done it this or next summer.
Not really, his signings made us much worse and he didn’t turn around anything. He abandoned his idea. Amorim would have been picking up points too if he did what ETH did but then thats not what we hired him for.
His system is nowhere similar to what Amorim plays, with Amorim saying it himself that the players need to forget what the previous manager trained them to do.
Let‘s agree to disagree, for now the facts speak for themselves.
Facts, with disregard to any sort of context then yes